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Now, Curve, you are outright lying. No need to get angry with you. When dealing with either a delusional individual or a liar, simply keep him or her in reality by telling the correct facts. So, it goes like this: "No, CurveLight, you are wrong, the surrender was unconditional and the rest of the world accepts that. That you don't is fine for you, but no one else believes it or cares what you think. Those are the facts."
History proves that the US claims to have certain ethics, but in truth doesnt have them.
I see it like this, they wanted to spare their soldiers, so they killed a few hundredthousand civilians, as they also did in Europe and pretty much everywhere they have sent soldiers.
But hey dont forget that the US are the good guys, Japanese and Nazi's were bad because they killed civilians openly, the US arent because they openly say they are the good guys.
History proves that the US claims to have certain ethics, but in truth doesnt have them.
I see it like this, they wanted to spare their soldiers, so they killed a few hundredthousand civilians, as they also did in Europe and pretty much everywhere they have sent soldiers.
But hey dont forget that the US are the good guys, Japanese and Nazi's were bad because they killed civilians openly, the US arent because they openly say they are the good guys.
The "way you see it" is myopic and stupid.
Every nation which goes to war, moron, calls itself the "good guys." Not all are, obviously.
Almost every nation in modern time has been guilty of killing civilians during war -- and that practice is not even remotely new.
Unlike many other nations, the U.S. does try to avoid it.
You cavalierly dismiss the fact that the Japanese civilian population was being trained to fight to the last man and woman. The probability was for a horrendous loss of life, not just of our fighting men, either. From that perspective, the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki almost certainly SAVED many fold more lives than were lost -- and again, that does not mean just OURs.
Ask some Chinese how the Japanese treated civilians. Get back to us. Ask the Poles and the gypsies and the Jews how the Germans treated civilians. Report back objectively, if you have that capacity.
You shouldn't talk about the U.S. not having ethics when you, yourself, so markedly lack them.
History proves that the US claims to have certain ethics, but in truth doesnt have them.
I see it like this, they wanted to spare their soldiers, so they killed a few hundredthousand civilians, as they also did in Europe and pretty much everywhere they have sent soldiers.
But hey dont forget that the US are the good guys, Japanese and Nazi's were bad because they killed civilians openly, the US arent because they openly say they are the good guys.
The "way you see it" is myopic and stupid.
Every nation which goes to war, moron, calls itself the "good guys." Not all are, obviously.
Almost every nation in modern time has been guilty of killing civilians during war -- and that practice is not even remotely new.
Unlike many other nations, the U.S. does try to avoid it.
You cavalierly dismiss the fact that the Japanese civilian population was being trained to fight to the last man and woman. The probability was for a horrendous loss of life, not just of our fighting men, either. From that perspective, the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki almost certainly SAVED many fold more lives than were lost -- and again, that does not mean just OURs.
Ask some Chinese how the Japanese treated civilians. Get back to us. Ask the Poles and the gypsies and the Jews how the Germans treated civilians. Report back objectively, if you have that capacity.
You shouldn't talk about the U.S. not having ethics when you, yourself, so markedly lack them.
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Curvelight has made the claim we never intended to Invade Japan.
Operation Olympic - planned US invasion of Southern Japan 1945
That the casualty figures were fake and we had no plans to invade and occupy a resisting Japan.
Curvelight has made the claim we never intended to Invade Japan.
Operation Olympic - planned US invasion of Southern Japan 1945
That the casualty figures were fake and we had no plans to invade and occupy a resisting Japan.
Quote the post where I said that. I never did you lying fuck.
Curvelight has made the claim we never intended to Invade Japan.
Operation Olympic - planned US invasion of Southern Japan 1945
That the casualty figures were fake and we had no plans to invade and occupy a resisting Japan.
Quote the post where I said that. I never did you lying fuck.
So you have never claimed that the casualty figures released for Operation Olympic were "faked", raised to hide the truth about us wanting to bomb Japan just to scare the Soviets? Hmm?
Remind us again oh truthful one, how Japan never signed an Unconditional surrender, How Japan offered numerous times to surrender before either Bomb was dropped, how the offer before the bombs was the exact same offer after the bombs.
Quote the post where I said that. I never did you lying fuck.
So you have never claimed that the casualty figures released for Operation Olympic were "faked", raised to hide the truth about us wanting to bomb Japan just to scare the Soviets? Hmm?
Remind us again oh truthful one, how Japan never signed an Unconditional surrender, How Japan offered numerous times to surrender before either Bomb was dropped, how the offer before the bombs was the exact same offer after the bombs.
Once again you fucking donkey dick sucker......you said:
"Curvelight has made the claim we never intended to Invade Japan."
So show where I made that claim you lying fuck.
So you have never claimed that the casualty figures released for Operation Olympic were "faked", raised to hide the truth about us wanting to bomb Japan just to scare the Soviets? Hmm?
Remind us again oh truthful one, how Japan never signed an Unconditional surrender, How Japan offered numerous times to surrender before either Bomb was dropped, how the offer before the bombs was the exact same offer after the bombs.
Once again you fucking donkey dick sucker......you said:
"Curvelight has made the claim we never intended to Invade Japan."
So show where I made that claim you lying fuck.
I don't believe you can use the word "ethical", to apply to any war. At best you can claim necessity. As the saying goes: "The longer a war lasts the more like your enemy you become". Was the dropping of the bombs necessary? Yes. Was it ethical? No.
I don't believe you can use the word "ethical", to apply to any war. At best you can claim necessity. As the saying goes: "The longer a war lasts the more like your enemy you become". Was the dropping of the bombs necessary? Yes. Was it ethical? No.
And I disagree. The question is a simple one. DO we kill a few hundred thousand in order to save MILLIONS or do we just kill MILLIONS. That is an ethics question. You may not LIKE the ethics but it is ethical.
I don't believe you can use the word "ethical", to apply to any war. At best you can claim necessity. As the saying goes: "The longer a war lasts the more like your enemy you become". Was the dropping of the bombs necessary? Yes. Was it ethical? No.
And I disagree. The question is a simple one. DO we kill a few hundred thousand in order to save MILLIONS or do we just kill MILLIONS. That is an ethics question. You may not LIKE the ethics but it is ethical.
Your saying it does not make it so. Your question implies you have the right to decide who lives and who dies, you don't. The only life you have a right to make that choice about is your own.
