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I am pleased to learn that. Those Straits must be kept open, or the world price of oil will go even more berzerk than it already has.
Your attempt to claim the recent events in the Gulf were faked make this a fine candidate for " Eots" wet dream land.
tonkin was fake ,so why wouldn't you consider that this may also be ?
AND THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT TONKIN IF YOU WISH TO TALK ABOUT YOUR FANTASY'S OF WET DREAMS GO START YOUR OWN HOMO EROTIC THREAD TO VENT YOUR PERVERSIONS
Sorry, you don't get to tell me where or what to post. And since YOU claim that the latest incident was faked and referred it to Ton kin, guess what? I AM on topic.
If I were going to allow someone to order me about and post as they demanded, I would rather follow Maine man then you. At least he has proven he is neither helpless nor consumed by delusions like you are.
Your moronic drivel gets worse and worse.
What it shows is we let enemy or potential enemy craft to close to our vessels because of the "bad press" if we shoot them.
I know exactly what we would be hearing now if those 5 boats were gunned down. You would be howling we attacked them for no reason and there was no danger, The press and other assorted morons would be telling us how our cowboy antics caused an international incident and we are on the verge of invading Iran.
on and on and on......
so has the government staged and misrepresented other similar incidents yes or no . has the government murdered in own citizens in through experimental drug and bio weapon test yes or no
Did Eots drop out of English before the 4th grade? Yes or no?
I did not claim it was fake I said it should be considered as other incidents have without question been admitted fakes and did not tell you where post
I requested you vent the homo erotic elements else where in attempt not to mare myself and the memory of tonkin with such perversions
North Vietnam's leaders, who knew from their own intelligence sources about the American connection to Operation 34A, were determined not to bend to U.S. pressure. Hanoi directed its navy, which had not been able to catch the fast PTFs, to attack the slower American destroyer. On the afternoon of 2 August, the Communists dispatched three Soviet-built P-4 motor torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Torpedoes launched from the P-4s missed their mark. Only one round from enemy deck guns hit the destroyer; it lodged in the ship's superstructure. The North Vietnamese naval vessels were not so fortunate. Shellfire from Maddox hit the attackers. Then F-8 Crusader jets dispatched from the aircraft carrier USS Ticonderoga (CVA 14) strafed all three P-4s and left one boat dead in the water and on fire. The action over, the USS Maddox steamed toward the mouth of the Gulf of Tonkin and supporting naval forces.
President Johnson and his national security advisors were surprised that Ho Chi Minh had not only failed to buckle under U.S. military pressure but had reacted to it in such a bold way. President Johnson, Admiral Ulysses S. Grant Sharp, the commander of American military forces in the Pacific, and Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, decided that the United States could not retreat from this clear challenge. They reinforced the USS Maddox with the destroyer USS Turner Joy (DD 951) and directed Captain Herrick to continue his intelligence-gathering mission off North Vietnam with the two naval vessels.
On the night of 4 August 1964, the warships reported making contact and then being attacked by several fast crafts far out to sea. Officers in the naval chain of command and U.S. leaders in Washington were persuaded by the interpretation of special intelligence and reports from the ships, that North Vietnamese naval forces had attacked the two destroyers. More recent analysis of that data and additional information gathered on the 4 August episode, now makes it clear that North Vietnamese naval forces did not attack Maddox and Turner Joy that night in the summer of 1964.
In response to the actual attack of 2 August and the suspected attack of 4 August, President Johnson ordered Seventh Fleet carrier forces to launch retaliatory strikes against North Vietnam. On 5 August, aircraft from carriers Ticonderoga and USS Constellation (CVA 64) destroyed an oil storage facility at Vinh and damaged or sank about 30 enemy naval vessels in port or along the coast. Of greater significance, on 7 August the U.S. Congress overwhelmingly passed the so-called Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which enabled Johnson to employ military force as he saw fit against the Vietnamese Communists. In the first months of 1965, the President ordered the deployment to South Vietnam of major U.S. ground, air, and naval forces. Thus began a new phase in America's involvement in the Vietnam War.
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/vw_gulf_of_tonkin.html
Gulf of Tonkin Incident
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Chart showing the U.S. Navy's interpretation of the events of the first part of the Gulf of Tonkin incidentThe Gulf of Tonkin Incident was the casus belli of the Vietnam War. It was a pair of supposed attacks allegedly carried out by naval forces of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (commonly referred to as North Vietnam) against two American destroyers, the USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy. The incident occurred on August 2 and 4, 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin.[1]
The outcome of the incident was the passage by Congress of the Southeast Asia Resolution (better known as the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution), which granted President Lyndon Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for escalating American involvement in the Vietnam Conflict, which lasted until 1975.
In 2005, it was revealed in an official NSA declassified report[2] that the first alleged attack, on the destroyer Maddox, was in fact carried out after the Maddox fired first. In 2008, another declassified NSA report[3] revealed that no attack happened on August 4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
By National Security Archive contact: John Prados
Republished from The National Security Archive, George Washington University
Newly Declassified National Security Agency Documents Show Analysts Made
Washington, D.C., 1 December 2005 The largest U.S. intelligence agency, the National Security Agency, today declassified over 140 formerly top secret documents histories, chronologies, signals intelligence [SIGINT] reports, and oral history interviews on the August 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident. Included in the release is a controversial article by Agency historian Robert J. Hanyok on SIGINT and the Tonkin Gulf which confirms what historians have long argued: that there was no second attack on U.S. ships in Tonkin on August 4, 1964. According to National Security Archive research fellow John Prados, the American people have long deserved to know the full truth about the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The National Security Agency is to be commended for releasing this piece of the puzzle. The parallels between the faulty intelligence on Tonkin Gulf and the manipulated intelligence used to justify the Iraq War make it all the more worthwhile to re-examine the events of August 1964 in light of new evidence. Last year, Prados edited a National Security Archive briefing book which published for the first time some of the key intercepts from the Gulf of Tonkin crisis.
America entered a sovereign Nation and was blowing up parts of the infrastructure they where not in international waters and they fired first there is no question a incident in tonkin occurred but the way its was presented was false... a fake
:QUOTE=GunnyL;639273]I use actual government documents to support my argument, you use Wikipedia.:rolleyes
.The USS Maddox was 8 miles offshore. North Vietnam claimed 5 miles. The USS Maddox was in international waters
.Further, N Vietnamese radar had tracked the USS Maddox the entire time the South Vietnamese Navy raided N Vietnam and KNEW the USS Maddox was not part of the raid
