Environmentalism: a weapon for revolution

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    From the Archives of ATTAC Report
    (available at ATTAC Report Archive: Greenpeace (11/90))

    Feel free to discuss this article here, or raise any questions!


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    Greenpeace Wages Redwar

    (The New American, Nov. 19, 1990)


     
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    You put up an article from 1990? Why on earth talk about something from the dark ages? Besides not one of the 'false claims' is accurate.

    Why don't you go to the Sea Shepherd and read the articles there about what is really happening now, in the 21st century, today with Japan and Greenpeace. Do your research and be current with your articles for the sake of the whales, seals and the truth.


    No Peace with Greenpeace it Seems

    Commentary by Captain Paul Watson - Founder and President of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society

    Paul Watson: 'There's no rest on planetary duty'

    Paul Watson has devoted his life to fighting back against those who despoil the seas - but is he a prophet or a pirate? Tim Ecott meets a controversial crusader

    There's a lot more to know and it's what's happening NOW, not in 1990.
     
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    Hate to break it to ya, but man is an Omnivore. It is unhealthy to not eat meat of any kind. Vegans have to jump through hoops to stay health on that diet.

    As for Whales.... I don't think we should be hunting them anymore. I know Japan doesn't need to hunt them. If he weren't a vegan and I weren't a diabetic I wouldn't mind going to sea with Sea Shepperd. Of course I get pretty ill pretty quick at sea. Would need a lot of patches on a small ship.

    He has one thing absolutely right, If you are going to take money for a cause, You better be damn clear what the money is spent on. Greenpeace has a vested interest in making money. They are corrupted.
     
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    That might be why Veggies are on the decline already. All you need to do is look at our teeth, we were meant to eat both meat and veggies.
     
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    Hey Eveyone,
    Check out my Sundance Audience Award winning film "Fuel." It's about the search for alternative energy to become independent from foreign oil.
    Change your Fuel... change the world,
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    Hi, I just saw this amazing documentary, FUEL, it’s all about how we can get off of oil. It really inspired me. I feel like I can make a real difference now.
     
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    The French should have simply launched the Nukes anyway and took them out. That's how you deal the Greenpeaces of the world. They go into a "combat zone" you simply ignore them and they never go back. Same things with Porto Rican civilians laying around on the the US Navy weapons range. Launch the weapons, take them out, and they'll all stay away the next time....works REALLY well.
     
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    Holy fuck, how can anybody say something like that? What a wacko! :cuckoo:

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    So, is this a thread just for ragging on environmental issues? Well, Greenpeace itself, I don't know. It might be corrupt. Any institutional structure has the possibility of becoming corrupt. But that doesn't take away from at least some of the issues they advocate, which don't seem to be the focus of the thread.

    I mean, say what you will about global warming, but do you guys seriously believe that we can keep covering the earth with garbage, and pumping waste in the sea and the air forever with absolutely no consequences? I dunno guys, call me naive, but I take a look at fumes coming out of factories, or beaches filled with garbage, or whatever, and think "Can that just keep going on forever and just be perfectly safe? Surely all that crap is going somewhere. I mean, there's almost 7 billion of us (and counting) shitting every day, eatings tons of stuff everyday, drinking and using a lot more water than gets naturally replenished, eating lotsa fishes (to the point that most major fisheries are collapsing or expected to collapse). Surely this must have SOME sort of consequence, right? Don't most people agree with that nowadays?

    And I know how you guys feel about Nuclear Weapons, but sometimes I can't help but be a little scared. Maybe it's an unfounded fear. but I've just never been comfortable with the self-destruct option. Call me what you'd like, but the total annihilation of all life just makes me feel 'queasy'.

    As for vegetarianism, I can't agree more that we were meant to eat meat. I believe meat is delicious, nutritious, and healthy, and should be available to everyone. But... at the same time, in the past few weeks I've come to realize that I might have to become a vegetarian or at least cut back on meat consumption. The shitty thing with meat has nothing to do with the "inhumane" treatment of cows or personal health, but the fact that it has so many other bad side effects. Basically, every pound of meat you eat needs ten times the amount of grain/food. To grow all that food, you need more space (and remember that the more of us, the more cows we need, and the more food we need for both us AND the cows/pigs/goats/etc). And this is gonna raise the price of food. And if not, you still need even more land for grazing, and of course where's the land gonna come from, now that you're using all the land to grow food for people? They just cut down all the forests (and that's another thing I'm sure most people would be against... I mean, at some point they're gonna run out, right? There sure used to be a lot more trees before, and now there's fewer and fewer... considering that they make life on the planet possible I'd say it's sensible to, every now and again, give it a thought). The worst part is that this applies to a bunch of other things. The energy we waste, the stuff we throw away... on a number of things that are fun or economically useful.

    I guess the main point I'm trying to make is that sure, meat is tasty, and sure fishing and construction and factories, those might all be outstanding engines of economic growth. Millions of people depend on this sort of thing for their livelihood, fishing, logging, car-making, etc... That is all well and true. At the same time, there's a cost to it. That steak/SUV/etc. might look just great, but there's a hidden cost and there must be some consequences. Whether you think it's worth the cost or not is a whole different issue. You just have to keep in mind that we have quite a bill waiting for us once the feast is over.
     
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    We ought to blow whalers out of the fucking water.

    I'd freaking arm GREEPEACE vessels if I had my way and declare whalers criminals against humanity.

    Put a bounty on the bastards, and hang 'em from the yardarms, says Cpt'n editec

    There's something mighty wierd happening to the squid populations off the coast of California folks, and I suspect it has to do with the diminishing whale populations.

    Very agressive, pack hunting 100lb squid, beasties which formerly only lived in the Sea of Cortez, are now raiding fishing areas off the whole West coast far up as Alaska according to reports I recently heard.

    You fall in the water when they're in a feeding frenzy and you're on the menu.

    They're so aggressive that sharks flee the scene when they show up.

    And what eats them?

    Whales.
     

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