Election 2020 Voting System Weaknesses & Other Voting System Issues

In the end -- you HAVE to have a Federation of states. Who willingly subjugate themselves to a Constitution. And your concern about slaves and minorities IS EXACTLY the concern that STATES have in being overtaken by the "wolves'. Go read about bi-cameral legislatures and why they are prevalent in STABLE countries and why UNI-cameral legislatures are a feature of communist/socialist countries and dictators..

Your evil progressive plan to go grab Puerto Rico to enhance the "uniparty" Democrat model wouldn't work with all the "federation" language removed from the Constitution.. Why would Puerto Rico want to join into a system where THEIR "state" is a peon pauper in terms of power-sharing? Why would the smaller states want to remain in a system where their "sovereignty" is just a token joke?

That's the problem the founders faced. And why they DESIGNED a federated Republic..

Bi-cameral legislatures are just more partisan hackery and most countries have such a system due to population more than anything. NZ has just one legislative branch and we are far from communist.

And yet despite your system the people of Puerto Rico, when given the opportunity, vote not to join the US. Constantly.


New Zeland would be 26 on the list of states by population.

So, there you have it.

New Zeland gets to do what it wants with it's 4+million people.

Wisconsin (which is all we would need to kick your asses in combat) gets to do what it wants.

California (which is about 10 time larger than NZ) gets it's say.

Fuck trying to pass laws for 330,000,000 people that do justice to them all.

Not the way we were set up.

And I would expect our representation at federal level to be that of a state that has 5 million people (and no, Wisconsin wouldn't kick our arse), not to be equal to that of NY or California. After all, why should a state that pays a lot more into the federal coffers in taxes not get more representation. What is their carrot to stay in the Union?

You should ask if PEOPLE who PAY no taxes should get the same representation as those that pay the bulk. Maybe they should get 2/5ths of a vote?

It's not clear that PER CAPITA -- there's much difference in what US states contribute.. Especially because the VALUE OF MONEY and cost of living varies over a 3 times range among the different US states. So -- SAME JOB in California PAYS maybe 50% more.. But the cost of living is 100% higher. So the "taxes paid" are highly inflated in NY/Cali over what they are in Tenn/North Dakota. And higher TAXATION in the blue states ADDS to inflation in that cost of living. The latter clearly doesn't contribute much to what the Feds are owed, because its straight-away DRAIN on the economy..

It;'s complicated. MORE complicated than your lovely little lonely island.. LOL...
 
In the end -- you HAVE to have a Federation of states. Who willingly subjugate themselves to a Constitution. And your concern about slaves and minorities IS EXACTLY the concern that STATES have in being overtaken by the "wolves'. Go read about bi-cameral legislatures and why they are prevalent in STABLE countries and why UNI-cameral legislatures are a feature of communist/socialist countries and dictators..

Your evil progressive plan to go grab Puerto Rico to enhance the "uniparty" Democrat model wouldn't work with all the "federation" language removed from the Constitution.. Why would Puerto Rico want to join into a system where THEIR "state" is a peon pauper in terms of power-sharing? Why would the smaller states want to remain in a system where their "sovereignty" is just a token joke?

That's the problem the founders faced. And why they DESIGNED a federated Republic..

Bi-cameral legislatures are just more partisan hackery and most countries have such a system due to population more than anything. NZ has just one legislative branch and we are far from communist.

And yet despite your system the people of Puerto Rico, when given the opportunity, vote not to join the US. Constantly.


New Zeland would be 26 on the list of states by population.

So, there you have it.

New Zeland gets to do what it wants with it's 4+million people.

Wisconsin (which is all we would need to kick your asses in combat) gets to do what it wants.

California (which is about 10 time larger than NZ) gets it's say.

Fuck trying to pass laws for 330,000,000 people that do justice to them all.

Not the way we were set up.

And I would expect our representation at federal level to be that of a state that has 5 million people (and no, Wisconsin wouldn't kick our arse), not to be equal to that of NY or California. After all, why should a state that pays a lot more into the federal coffers in taxes not get more representation. What is their carrot to stay in the Union?

You should ask if PEOPLE who PAY no taxes should get the same representation as those that pay the bulk. Maybe they should get 2/5ths of a vote?

It's not clear that PER CAPITA -- there's much difference in what US states contribute.. Especially because the VALUE OF MONEY and cost of living varies over a 3 times range among the different US states. So -- SAME JOB in California PAYS maybe 50% more.. But the cost of living is 100% higher. So the "taxes paid" are highly inflated in NY/Cali over what they are in Tenn/North Dakota. And higher TAXATION in the blue states ADDS to inflation in that cost of living.

It;'s complicated. MORE complicated than your lovely little lonely island.. LOL...
^ What flacaltenn said
or better yet require those with Statist/Socialist beliefs in govt
to fund their own programs through their own parties and precincts
treating right to health care equally as right to life expected to be funded outside govt.

Otherwise it is discrimination by creed to mandate one groups policies
on masks and health care, while denying the same to other groups
on their antiabortion mandates ruled unconstitutional by due process violations.

And as stated above, it becomes discrimination by class
to punish taxpayers on the basis of income which is not a crime warranting loss of liberty.
 
It is my opinion that election fraud is real and does happen, when you have people involved in any system they can and will find ways to defraud the system to arrive at the result they want. There are case pending in several states for exactly that, as well as many other cases where fraud was charged and people were indicted, and convicted. We tend not to think it's a big problem because the number of these cases is small and the known number of votes that were added, changed, or discarded is quite minor relative to the total number of votes cast and the margin of victory in most cases. BUT - that doesn't mean election fraud doesn't exist, or that ultimately somebody gets wrongfully elected.

Here's the problem - proving fraud in a court of law is very difficult. Who knows how many times fraud was committed, even at a minor level, and was never caught or charged/indicted? And sometimes the numbers may be such that a person at the state level or even a US Senator or House Representative gets elected that should have lost? I will never forget the Minnesota Senate race between Norm Coleman and Al Franken; Coleman won the regular count, but then around 500 ballots appeared from the trunk of somebody's car that were all for Franken and Al was declared the winner. To my dying day I will always believe that was fraud that cost Coleman that election.

A lot of people around the country believe today that Joe Biden won by fraud, or at least that the election was tainted and illegitimate. Could one or more states have gone to Biden that shouldn't have, due to fraud? I can't say yes, not enough evidence exists to prove it in a court of law, but some would say there is in the court of public opinion. So, I can't say no either. When Trump was elected in 2016, many democrats were saying his election was illegitimate due to Russian collusion. Which turned out to be bullshit, the Muller investigation came up with zilch on that. Nevertheless, a lot of people believed it to be true, thanks in part due to the Trump-hating media. When GW Bush won in 2000 over Al Gore, there were a lot of people who believed that election was illegitimate too. So, for the next 4 years, people are going to believe Biden's election was also illegitimate, and the trust in our gov't from the highest level on down is once again lowered. Just when you'd think it couldn't go any lower, it did. And they don't trust the election process any more either, and that ain't good.

Will our states try to address election fraud in any meaningful way? And will it matter? It's pretty hard to legislate, maybe there are ways to reduce voter fraud but will it become any easier to prove in court? I doubt it. And even if fraud is eventually proved to some extent, is anyone going to remove Joe Biden from office after Jan 20? I doubt that too. You can change the law all you want, but if people are involved in the process then they'll find ways to commit fraud and not get caught.

The problem isn't going to go away. In 2022, several senators and representatives will be up for election; how many will win like Al Franken did? In January there are 2 huge senate races to be decided in a runoff. Will they be decided honestly and fairly according to the law? I hope so. But I have my doubts. How many votes will a GOP candidate have to win to overcome fraud? Like millions of others, I don't believe the election system is honest any more.
 
Democratic senators warned of potential 'vote switching' by Dominion voting machines prior to 2020 election

13 Nov 2020 ~~ By Andrew Mark Miller
Four congressional Democrats sent a letter to the owners of Dominion Voting Systems and cited several problems that “threaten the integrity of our elections,” including “vote switching.”
In a December 2019 letter to Dominion Voting Systems, which has been mired in controversy after a human error involving its machines in Antrim County, Michigan, resulted in incorrect counts, Democratic Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Ron Wyden, and Amy Klobuchar and congressman Mark Pocan warned about reports of machines “switching votes,” “undisclosed vulnerabilities,” and “improbable” results that “threaten the integrity of our elections.”

Four congressional Democrats sent a letter to the owners of Dominion Voting Systems and cited several problems that “threaten the integrity of our elections,” including “vote switching.”

~[snip]~

Dominion machines are involved in every state where Trump is launching legal fights, but several experts and officials have stated that there is no reason to believe those machines altered the outcome of the election.
“Many of the claims being asserted about Dominion and questionable voting technology is misinformation at best and, in many cases, they’re outright disinformation,” Edward Perez, an election-technology expert at a nonprofit group that studies voting infrastructure, said this week. “I’m not aware of any evidence of specific things or defects in Dominion software that would lead one to believe that votes had been recorded or counted incorrectly.”


Comment:
Someone soon showed the Progressive Marxist Socialis/DSA Democrat Leftists how the inherent fraud in the systems could be used to give them a stolen win, and suddenly they loved Dominion Vting Systems.
Now they are saying they were aware and it’s not their fault? Too little too late scheister demoncrats! Heads will roll!
 
In the end -- you HAVE to have a Federation of states. Who willingly subjugate themselves to a Constitution. And your concern about slaves and minorities IS EXACTLY the concern that STATES have in being overtaken by the "wolves'. Go read about bi-cameral legislatures and why they are prevalent in STABLE countries and why UNI-cameral legislatures are a feature of communist/socialist countries and dictators..

Your evil progressive plan to go grab Puerto Rico to enhance the "uniparty" Democrat model wouldn't work with all the "federation" language removed from the Constitution.. Why would Puerto Rico want to join into a system where THEIR "state" is a peon pauper in terms of power-sharing? Why would the smaller states want to remain in a system where their "sovereignty" is just a token joke?

That's the problem the founders faced. And why they DESIGNED a federated Republic..

Bi-cameral legislatures are just more partisan hackery and most countries have such a system due to population more than anything. NZ has just one legislative branch and we are far from communist.

And yet despite your system the people of Puerto Rico, when given the opportunity, vote not to join the US. Constantly.


New Zeland would be 26 on the list of states by population.

So, there you have it.

New Zeland gets to do what it wants with it's 4+million people.

Wisconsin (which is all we would need to kick your asses in combat) gets to do what it wants.

California (which is about 10 time larger than NZ) gets it's say.

Fuck trying to pass laws for 330,000,000 people that do justice to them all.

Not the way we were set up.

And I would expect our representation at federal level to be that of a state that has 5 million people (and no, Wisconsin wouldn't kick our arse), not to be equal to that of NY or California. After all, why should a state that pays a lot more into the federal coffers in taxes not get more representation. What is their carrot to stay in the Union?

You should ask if PEOPLE who PAY no taxes should get the same representation as those that pay the bulk. Maybe they should get 2/5ths of a vote?

It's not clear that PER CAPITA -- there's much difference in what US states contribute.. Especially because the VALUE OF MONEY and cost of living varies over a 3 times range among the different US states. So -- SAME JOB in California PAYS maybe 50% more.. But the cost of living is 100% higher. So the "taxes paid" are highly inflated in NY/Cali over what they are in Tenn/North Dakota. And higher TAXATION in the blue states ADDS to inflation in that cost of living. The latter clearly doesn't contribute much to what the Feds are owed, because its straight-away DRAIN on the economy..

It;'s complicated. MORE complicated than your lovely little lonely island.. LOL...
Of course people who pay no taxes should get the same representation.
Federal tax is federal tax.

Not that lonely. And i haven't lived there for 15 years...but it is lovely...;o)
 
In the end -- you HAVE to have a Federation of states. Who willingly subjugate themselves to a Constitution. And your concern about slaves and minorities IS EXACTLY the concern that STATES have in being overtaken by the "wolves'. Go read about bi-cameral legislatures and why they are prevalent in STABLE countries and why UNI-cameral legislatures are a feature of communist/socialist countries and dictators..

Your evil progressive plan to go grab Puerto Rico to enhance the "uniparty" Democrat model wouldn't work with all the "federation" language removed from the Constitution.. Why would Puerto Rico want to join into a system where THEIR "state" is a peon pauper in terms of power-sharing? Why would the smaller states want to remain in a system where their "sovereignty" is just a token joke?

That's the problem the founders faced. And why they DESIGNED a federated Republic..

Bi-cameral legislatures are just more partisan hackery and most countries have such a system due to population more than anything. NZ has just one legislative branch and we are far from communist.

And yet despite your system the people of Puerto Rico, when given the opportunity, vote not to join the US. Constantly.


New Zeland would be 26 on the list of states by population.

So, there you have it.

New Zeland gets to do what it wants with it's 4+million people.

Wisconsin (which is all we would need to kick your asses in combat) gets to do what it wants.

California (which is about 10 time larger than NZ) gets it's say.

Fuck trying to pass laws for 330,000,000 people that do justice to them all.

Not the way we were set up.

And I would expect our representation at federal level to be that of a state that has 5 million people (and no, Wisconsin wouldn't kick our arse), not to be equal to that of NY or California. After all, why should a state that pays a lot more into the federal coffers in taxes not get more representation. What is their carrot to stay in the Union?

You should ask if PEOPLE who PAY no taxes should get the same representation as those that pay the bulk. Maybe they should get 2/5ths of a vote?

It's not clear that PER CAPITA -- there's much difference in what US states contribute.. Especially because the VALUE OF MONEY and cost of living varies over a 3 times range among the different US states. So -- SAME JOB in California PAYS maybe 50% more.. But the cost of living is 100% higher. So the "taxes paid" are highly inflated in NY/Cali over what they are in Tenn/North Dakota. And higher TAXATION in the blue states ADDS to inflation in that cost of living. The latter clearly doesn't contribute much to what the Feds are owed, because its straight-away DRAIN on the economy..

It;'s complicated. MORE complicated than your lovely little lonely island.. LOL...
Of course people who pay no taxes should get the same representation.
Federal tax is federal tax.

Not that lonely. And i haven't lived there for 15 years...but it is lovely...;o)

If people should get equal representation regardless of how much they CONTRIBUTE to the Federal system -----

Then why should states choose to remain in a Federal system (that you dont have) where they can never have an equal voice in the important stuff? It's not really about "what fraction they contribute in taxes" then -- is it?
 
If people should get equal representation regardless of how much they CONTRIBUTE to the Federal system -----

Then why should states choose to remain in a Federal system (that you dont have) where they can never have an equal voice in the important stuff? It's not really about "what fraction they contribute in taxes" then -- is it?

Isn't that a question a lot of the states are asking themselves now, albeit for varying reasons? My point about the taxes was almost the same as yours. Why would you remain in a union where you are contributing more the federal coffers that some parts of the country, and a lot of those areas of the country literally hate you?

I have constantly heard about the tyranny of the majority, yet nary a squeak about the tyranny of the minority.
 
Isn't that a question a lot of the states are asking themselves now, albeit for varying reasons? My point about the taxes was almost the same as yours. Why would you remain in a union where you are contributing more the federal coffers that some parts of the country, and a lot of those areas of the country literally hate you?

The "hate" has become mutual -- so that's no longer a factor that either side can stand on..

But you're not listening.. The dollars coming in from Cali NY Ill are INFLATED DOLLARS.. They PAY MORE -- because their dollars don't go as far in buying housing, insurance, food, services, energy.. But to the IRS -- that's what they owe because both individual and business taxes income is inflated there. It;s the same factor that's ignored in the NATIONAL Min Wage argument. $15/hour may be the MINIMUM to survive in NYCity, but in Birmingham Alabama, you'd be living pretty ritzy..

If we all had "wage controls" --- it would be a sheer matter of population and not "tax contributions"
 
Isn't that a question a lot of the states are asking themselves now, albeit for varying reasons? My point about the taxes was almost the same as yours. Why would you remain in a union where you are contributing more the federal coffers that some parts of the country, and a lot of those areas of the country literally hate you?

The "hate" has become mutual -- so that's no longer a factor that either side can stand on..

But you're not listening.. The dollars coming in from Cali NY Ill are INFLATED DOLLARS.. They PAY MORE -- because their dollars don't go as far in buying housing, insurance, food, services, energy.. But to the IRS -- that's what they owe because both individual and business taxes income is inflated there. It;s the same factor that's ignored in the NATIONAL Min Wage argument. $15/hour may be the MINIMUM to survive in NYCity, but in Birmingham Alabama, you'd be living pretty ritzy..

If we all had "wage controls" --- it would be a sheer matter of population and not "tax contributions"

Um, I AM listening. Doesn't matter if they are inflated if they go the central kitty in Washington DC. If a Kentuckian pays $10 per hundred dollars in Federal tax and someone in NY pays $15, where they live doesn't matter. Those monies are going into the centralised kitty and then distributed however Washington sees fit. Your argument works at STATE level, not FEDERAL. That is my point. And if your NY money is going into the central kitty and then been distributed to the state govt of Kentucky for whatever reason - and they think you are prick and hate you - of course NY is going to resent you. But the thing is - and here's the rub - that is exactly what is happening. NY is a net PROVIDER of taxes to the Fed govt, it receives less back than it gives. Kentucky receives more handouts in Federal tax dollars than it pays. It is a red state. It is full of people that accuse liberals of sucking off the govt teat. I just find it ironic.
 
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Lack of confidence in our voting system is a direct result of the wannabe prick-tater in the White House.
Trump's own people say it was our most secure election ever.
Putin didn't mess all that much with things this time.
Thank you God!
 
The Electoral College is a fraud
We were formed as the "United States" not 2 failed policy states on drugs getting to bankrupt and morally bankrupt the other states.
If each citizen gets to be counted equally then because we are a gov't based not on individuals rules to live by, but on a uniting of individual rules by states, each state should get 1 single equal vote, which means majority conservative is more popular in the "United States" of America then lone liberal NY and Liberal California and liberal Chad. *L*


 
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Dear task0778
If we can't convince all states to start splitting votes proportionally
to offset the temptation to cheat by "just enough votes" to get the majority,
if THAT is too much of a longshot to get that many parties to agree,

then the second worst "longshot" idea I have is for ALL
party candidates to JOIN the Democratic Party, and correct
the platform principles to respect Constitutional limits on govt.

Trump, especially, might do more to stop abuses of Democratic party to
exploit underinformed voters by joining and running for office as a Democrat.

He might have to buy out Pacifica Radio and do a lot more work to
unify union workers and socialist progressives around cooperative ownership of businesses and districts.

If he used his megaphone media presence to publicize all the work
it REALLY takes to achieve social justice WITHIN CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS,
then everyone would become educated and nobody's votes could be
bought or sold by tying rights to social benefits to federal government.

Everyone would get access to training in self government
and independent business and community development by DIY instead of
thinking you can get there faster by depending on party and govt leaders to do the work for you.
 
The Electoral College is a fraud
We were formed as the "United States" not 2 failed policy states on drugs getting to bankrupt and morally bankrupt the other states.
If each citizen gets to be counted equally then because we are a gov't based not on individuals rules to live by, but on a uniting of individual rules by states, each state should get 1 single equal vote, which means majority conservative is more popular in the "United States" of America then lone liberal NY and Liberal California and liberal Chad. *L*



Wow....Coomer looks Like a very interesting case study on how not to do your job... I would like to make a bet that historians of the future will point to our time and teach about the ramifications of certain groups and their actions... People should realize that all the dirty laundry is going to come out eventually and that some of our most admirred leaders are going to go down as despicable and corrupt and become the new Benedict Arnolds ....At least with the pimple popper on her own show the festering sore is removed after carefully lancing it.... In this case the festering pimples Of corruption keep popping up all over the place and once one is lanced two that were hidden or covered up take its place....I understand Joe Biden hired another guy from another voting machine company to be part of his team..... He couldn’t be like Coomer could he.....Hey Maybe that’s why Bernie lost to Joe Biden at the DNC convention and Joe is just paying him back for services rendered....... This of course is Pure conjecture on my part but if we really had a proper Unbiased news media that would look into these things then maybe the truth would come out before they fester and need proper lancing and cleaning....hmmmm.....Something to think about....
 
The Electoral College is a fraud
We were formed as the "United States" not 2 failed policy states on drugs getting to bankrupt and morally bankrupt the other states.
If each citizen gets to be counted equally then because we are a gov't based not on individuals rules to live by, but on a uniting of individual rules by states, each state should get 1 single equal vote, which means majority conservative is more popular in the "United States" of America then lone liberal NY and Liberal California and liberal Chad. *L*



Wow....Coomer looks Like a very interesting case study on how not to do your job... I would like to make a bet that historians of the future will point to our time and teach about the ramifications of certain groups and their actions... People should realize that all the dirty laundry is going to come out eventually and that some of our most admirred leaders are going to go down as despicable and corrupt and become the new Benedict Arnolds ....At least with the pimple popper on her own show the festering sore is removed after carefully lancing it.... In this case the festering pimples Of corruption keep popping up all over the place and once one is lanced two that were hidden or covered up take its place....I understand Joe Biden hired another guy from another voting machine company to be part of his team..... He couldn’t be like Coomer could he.....Hey Maybe that’s why Bernie lost to Joe Biden at the DNC convention and Joe is just paying him back for services rendered....... This of course is Pure conjecture on my part but if we really had a proper Unbiased news media that would look into these things then maybe the truth would come out before they fester and need proper lancing and cleaning....hmmmm.....Something to think about....

Investigative reporting is dead on tv, it's only people like us online doing the research and investigations, connecting the dots and asking the tough questions and discussing it's cause and affects.
 
The Electoral College is a fraud
We were formed as the "United States" not 2 failed policy states on drugs getting to bankrupt and morally bankrupt the other states.
If each citizen gets to be counted equally then because we are a gov't based not on individuals rules to live by, but on a uniting of individual rules by states, each state should get 1 single equal vote, which means majority conservative is more popular in the "United States" of America then lone liberal NY and Liberal California and liberal Chad. *L*



Wow....Coomer looks Like a very interesting case study on how not to do your job... I would like to make a bet that historians of the future will point to our time and teach about the ramifications of certain groups and their actions... People should realize that all the dirty laundry is going to come out eventually and that some of our most admirred leaders are going to go down as despicable and corrupt and become the new Benedict Arnolds ....At least with the pimple popper on her own show the festering sore is removed after carefully lancing it.... In this case the festering pimples Of corruption keep popping up all over the place and once one is lanced two that were hidden or covered up take its place....I understand Joe Biden hired another guy from another voting machine company to be part of his team..... He couldn’t be like Coomer could he.....Hey Maybe that’s why Bernie lost to Joe Biden at the DNC convention and Joe is just paying him back for services rendered....... This of course is Pure conjecture on my part but if we really had a proper Unbiased news media that would look into these things then maybe the truth would come out before they fester and need proper lancing and cleaning....hmmmm.....Something to think about....

Investigative reporting is dead on tv, it's only people like us online doing the research and investigations, connecting the dots and asking the tough questions and discussing it's cause and affects.

Unfortunately I would agree... I remember reading the book 1984 by Aldous Huxley I never thought the principles he spelled out in the book would come to pass so quickly...In the book they had the ministry of truth( or doublespeak) meaning truth as they saw it... It was pure propaganda.... It looks like the tv media is following that example to a tee... The election coverage This year was a sham by them calling every state quickly for Biden and holding off on Trump then saying Biden was elected even though nothing is still settled...I believe it was Biden himself who said years ago that it is much harder for them to rule( because of the advent of the internet) as before they could do as they pleased and no one could question their ways... Hopefully they will never be able to shut down the internet( although Google and others are limiting our resources by blocking or not placing certain web pages up).Otherwise we would be in a lot of trouble and no more free flowing of ideas will occur...
 
CNN & YouTube said you shouldn't be allowed to watch this video

I can't figure out why or whats going on in this demonstration
Maybe an extreamly intelligent educated progressive can enlighten us ?
 

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