Egypt: A display of Obama's incompetence

[LilOlLady]

I now believe the video is a right wing, jewish conspiracy against Obama and the election. "There would not be any protest if Romney was presisdent" Romney is with Netanyahu on anything even if it destorys America and Americans. Attacking Iran would bring on armageddon. Why the hell would they care since they are GOD's chosen?

Sound like Isreal is threatening to wipe Iran off the map? "Israel should be wiped off the map" is not a threat
WE WILL NOT JOIN ISREAL IN WAR AGAINST IRAN. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02...s-to-israelis-u-s-wont-join-your-war-on-iran/

 

[JoeB131]

It's an absolute SHAME what this administration has done in Egypt..

We should all be appalled

Gee, I think the Egyptian people have had a lot more to do with what happened in Egypt.

Here's the thing a very wise political science professor told me about dictatorships.

No dictatorship, democracy or monarchy can exist without the tacit support of it's people.

Mubarek had lost the tacit support of his people. He had become too old to really run the country effectively, and his lackluster sons were not stepping up to the plate.

So again, when the Egyptian Military announces it's not going to kill their countrymen to keep Mubarek in power, exactly what was Obama supposed to do at that point?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Once more, how exactly was Obama supposed to save Mubarek once his own people wanted him out and his military refused to kill their countrymen on his behalf?

Not about Mubarak so much as the Administration passively standing by and allowing a power void which was going to filled by the Muslim Brotherhood.

I think it was as much about getting a more anti-Israel faction in place.

 

[Stephanie]

I now believe the video is a right wing, jewish conspiracy against Obama and the election. "There would not be any protest if Romney was presisdent" Romney is with Netanyahu on anything even if it destorys America and Americans. Attacking Iran would bring on armageddon. Why the hell would they care since they are GOD's chosen?

WE WILL NOT JOIN ISREAL IN WAR AGAINST IRAN. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

holy smokes, here comes the "right wing and now Jewish conspiracy" against Obama..
remember when the Clinton's had one (right wing conspiracy against them) way back when?

Are Democrats EVER RESPONSILBE FOR ANYTHING?

 

[bripat9643]

“I don’t think that we would consider them an ally. But we don’t consider them an enemy.”[/I] – President Barack Obama

And besides demonstrating your inability to use the punctuation features, what is your problem with this statement?

Even under Mubarek, Egypt wasn't much of an ally. Do you remember the Egyptian Army showing up to help us depose Saddam? Guess what, me neither. Or to even help clean up the aftermath after President Bush asked him nicely a bunch of times.

Did Italy show up to help depose Saddam? Is Italy our enemy?

You're a certified moron.

 

[mudwhistle]

I now believe the video is a right wing, jewish conspiracy against Obama and the election. "There would not be any protest if Romney was presisdent" Romney is with Netanyahu on anything even if it destorys America and Americans. Attacking Iran would bring on armageddon. Why the hell would they care since they are GOD's chosen?

Sound like Isreal is threatening to wipe Iran off the map? "Israel should be wiped off the map" is not a threat
WE WILL NOT JOIN ISREAL IN WAR AGAINST IRAN. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
Chairman of Joint Chiefs to Israelis: U.S. Won’t Join Your War on Iran » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Very funny. Obama and his crew are pushing a video few have seen and it's supposed to be a rightwing conspiracy.

I believe Obama will eventually attempt to use this phantom video to push for internet censorship. Mark my words.

 

[JoeB131]

Once more, how exactly was Obama supposed to save Mubarek once his own people wanted him out and his military refused to kill their countrymen on his behalf?

Not about Mubarak so much as the Administration passively standing by and allowing a power void which was going to filled my the Muslim Brotherhood.

I think it was as much about getting a more anti-Israel faction in place.

Again- the world does not revolve around the Zionist Entity.

Egyptians have their own opinions about stuff... and it isn't necessarily what's important to us.

What Do Egyptians Want? Key Findings from the Egyptian Public Opinion Poll | Brookings Institution

Attitudes toward the United States continue to be unfavorable (85%).

Asked to name the two steps by the United States that would improve the views of the US the most, 66% identified brokering Middle East peace and establishing a Palestinian state, 46% identified stopping economic and military aid to Israel, and 44% identified withdrawal of American forces from the Arabian Peninsula.

Respondents were almost equally divided among those who would like to see Egypt maintain its peace treaty with Israel (46%) and those who would like to see it cancelled (44%). 10% would like to see the treaty amended. With regard to the prospects of lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians, 55% indicated that they don’t believe this will ever happen, while only five percent said it will happen in the next five years, and 40% said it is inevitable, but it will take more time.

When asked in an open question to identify the two countries that posed the biggest threat to them, 97% included Israel in that list of two, 80% included the United States, and 20% included Iran. While Iran remains far behind Israel and the United States as a perceived threat, which is consistent with our polls over the past several years, those who identified Iran as one of the two biggest threats have increased from 8% in 2009 and 15% in October 2011 to 20% in the current poll.

 

[JoeB131]

“I don’t think that we would consider them an ally. But we don’t consider them an enemy.”[/I] – President Barack Obama

And besides demonstrating your inability to use the punctuation features, what is your problem with this statement?

Even under Mubarek, Egypt wasn't much of an ally. Do you remember the Egyptian Army showing up to help us depose Saddam? Guess what, me neither. Or to even help clean up the aftermath after President Bush asked him nicely a bunch of times.

Did Italy show up to help depose Saddam? Is Italy our enemy?

You're a certified moron.

Actually, the Italians did send troops to Iraq.

Multi-National Force

Do you even look stuff up before shooting off your mouth.

 

[bripat9643]

And besides demonstrating your inability to use the punctuation features, what is your problem with this statement?

Even under Mubarek, Egypt wasn't much of an ally. Do you remember the Egyptian Army showing up to help us depose Saddam? Guess what, me neither. Or to even help clean up the aftermath after President Bush asked him nicely a bunch of times.

Did Italy show up to help depose Saddam? Is Italy our enemy?

You're a certified moron.

Actually, the Italians did send troops to Iraq.

Multi-National Force

Do you even look stuff up before shooting off your mouth.

So then Germany is our enemy? Is that what you're saying, moron?

 

[JoeB131]

Did Italy show up to help depose Saddam? Is Italy our enemy?

You're a certified moron.

Actually, the Italians did send troops to Iraq.

Multi-National Force

Do you even look stuff up before shooting off your mouth.

So then Germany is our enemy? Is that what you're saying, moron?

No, and nor did I say Egypt was our "enemy". I just pointed out that as an Ally, they are kind of useless.

For the record, except for the Brits, almost all of our allies are fucking useless. We are spending ourselves into a deep hole to keep the oil flowing and the sea lanes clear and putting out all the fires in the world, and all of these other countries are kindly thanking us by taking our jobs and markets.

Why we keep playing along, is the real question.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Again- the world does not revolve around the Zionist Entity.

Egyptians have their own opinions about stuff... and it isn't necessarily what's important to us.

What Do Egyptians Want? Key Findings from the Egyptian Public Opinion Poll | Brookings Institution

Attitudes toward the United States continue to be unfavorable (85%).

Asked to name the two steps by the United States that would improve the views of the US the most, 66% identified brokering Middle East peace and establishing a Palestinian state, 46% identified stopping economic and military aid to Israel, and 44% identified withdrawal of American forces from the Arabian Peninsula.

Respondents were almost equally divided among those who would like to see Egypt maintain its peace treaty with Israel (46%) and those who would like to see it cancelled (44%). 10% would like to see the treaty amended. With regard to the prospects of lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians, 55% indicated that they don’t believe this will ever happen, while only five percent said it will happen in the next five years, and 40% said it is inevitable, but it will take more time.

When asked in an open question to identify the two countries that posed the biggest threat to them, 97% included Israel in that list of two, 80% included the United States, and 20% included Iran.

The world doesn't revolve around the "Zionist Entity"....but your posted study sure demonstrates it has major influence.

 

[HomeInspect]

Could anyone imagine if a private citizen in a Muslim country made an anti-Christian or anti-American film which was on you tube, and thousands of US citizens stormed a Middle East Embassy, killing people including the ambassador? You think the leader of the Muslim/Middle East country invloved would be sympathetic to the Amercan concerns?
OBENSHAIN: For Barack Obama, Muslims can do no wrong - Washington Times

 

[JoeB131]

Again- the world does not revolve around the Zionist Entity.

Egyptians have their own opinions about stuff... and it isn't necessarily what's important to us.

What Do Egyptians Want? Key Findings from the Egyptian Public Opinion Poll | Brookings Institution

Attitudes toward the United States continue to be unfavorable (85%).

Asked to name the two steps by the United States that would improve the views of the US the most, 66% identified brokering Middle East peace and establishing a Palestinian state, 46% identified stopping economic and military aid to Israel, and 44% identified withdrawal of American forces from the Arabian Peninsula.

Respondents were almost equally divided among those who would like to see Egypt maintain its peace treaty with Israel (46%) and those who would like to see it cancelled (44%). 10% would like to see the treaty amended. With regard to the prospects of lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians, 55% indicated that they don’t believe this will ever happen, while only five percent said it will happen in the next five years, and 40% said it is inevitable, but it will take more time.

When asked in an open question to identify the two countries that posed the biggest threat to them, 97% included Israel in that list of two, 80% included the United States, and 20% included Iran.

The world doesn't revolve around the "Zionist Entity"....but your posted study sure demonstrates it has major influence.

Yes, it does.

It pisses people off for no good reason.

The ironic thing is, the main reason why Mubarek was hated was that he was a quisling for the US and Israel. He happily took the money we offered while Israel did whatever. It was considered a major sell out when Sadat did it (and was killed for his trouble) and Mubarek kept doing it.

So again, what was Obama actually supposed to do to keep a government that reflected popular opinion from occurring?

 

[JoeB131]

Could anyone imagine if a private citizen in a Muslim country made an anti-Christian or anti-American film which was on you tube, and thousands of US citizens stormed a Middle East Embassy, killing people including the ambassador? You think the leader of the Muslim/Middle East country invloved would be sympathetic to the Amercan concerns?
OBENSHAIN: For Barack Obama, Muslims can do no wrong - Washington Times

If it were just the movie, yeah... that'd be one thing.

BUt it's the movie and the koran burnings and the invasions and the support of Israel and the pictures of torture.

All these greivences have a cumalitive effect.

Incidently, the only thing that was said was that this movie was out of line, which it was. Not said by Obama or our Ambassador to Egypt, but a low-ranking public affairs officer who didn't follow instructions and issued the statement.

 

[Bfgrn]

“I don’t think that we would consider them an ally. But we don’t consider them an enemy.” – President Barack Obama

Obama Plays Hardball and Egypt’s Morsi Folds

The attack on the US consulate in Benghazi happened because the Libyan government is still weak, rebuilding after its revolution against Muammar Qaddafi. But there was no doubt that the new government was a friend of the US ambassador who was killed, Chris Stevens, or that it would mobilize to deal with the cells of the Ansar al-Shariah extremists that launched the attack. Pro-America demonstrations regretting the attack on the consulate have been held all over Libya.

In an interview with Telemundo, President Barack Obama showed his annoyance with Morsi:

” “I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy,” the president said.

“I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident,” Obama said.

“Certainly in this situation, what we’re going to expect is that they are responsive to our insistence that our embassy is protected, our personnel is protected”

Egypt is among about 14 countries designated at “major non-NATO allies” by US presidents. This status recognizes that they do joint military exercises with the US, and gives them special access to advanced US weaponry. However, some of them are not allies in the precise legal sense. That is, there is no obligation of mutual defense. A true ally, as with NATO states, is one that the allied country is pledged to defend from attack. Still, US officials typically have referred to Egypt as an ally, and the State Department made clear that it continues to do so.

So Obama was technically correct that Egypt is not an ally in the sense that Britain or even Turkey is. But unlike what some media outlets wrote, this statement was no gaffe. Rather, Obama was playing hardball with Morsi, trying to impress upon him that the status of ‘major non-NATO ally’ is not automatic now that the Muslim Brotherhood is in control. It will have to be re-earned, at least from Obama’s point of view. And the lack of response on the embassy attack is not consistent with ally status. Non-NATO ally status is bestowed by a stroke of the presidential pen, so Obama could take it away.

White House spokesman Jay Carney added on Thursday that “Obama spoke with President Mohamed Morsi, the first Islamist leader following an uprising which toppled Mubarak last year, on Wednesday and impressed upon him the need to protect US diplomats…”

Under Obama’s pressure, Morsi, in Brussels seeking European aid, finally explicitly condemned Tuesday’s attack on the US embassy in Egypt:

“we don’t accept, condone, or approve at all for there to be attacks on embassies, consulates or people, or killing in any way.”

“We want to cooperate with the entire world and we are cooperating now with the E.U. and the European people and with the American people and others and the U.S. administration to prevent such practices in the future. Also, we insist on the protection of persons, properties and embassies. The Egyptian people are very civilized and could not ever express their rejection of such practices with an attack on an embassy or person or consulate.”

Some of Morsi’s sudden willingness to say all this was fueled by Obama’s pressure. In addition, Morsi revealed some of his other motives:

“Muslims and Christians in Egypt are equal citizens and have the same rights… We are cautious about those principles and human values, also respecting visitors and respecting tourists… and respecting and protecting diplomatic delegations and private and public properties, and not attacking them.”

That is, somebody told Morsi he had to say something if he wanted to keep the tourist trade, much less the American alliance!

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[HomeInspect]

Could anyone imagine if a private citizen in a Muslim country made an anti-Christian or anti-American film which was on you tube, and thousands of US citizens stormed a Middle East Embassy, killing people including the ambassador? You think the leader of the Muslim/Middle East country invloved would be sympathetic to the Amercan concerns?
OBENSHAIN: For Barack Obama, Muslims can do no wrong - Washington Times

If it were just the movie, yeah... that'd be one thing.

BUt it's the movie and the koran burnings and the invasions and the support of Israel and the pictures of torture.

All these greivences have a cumalitive effect.

Incidently, the only thing that was said was that this movie was out of line, which it was. Not said by Obama or our Ambassador to Egypt, but a low-ranking public affairs officer who didn't follow instructions and issued the statement.

Regardless, how long did it take Obama to condemn the action? And what is he doing about it now?

 

[OODA_Loop]

So again, what was Obama actually supposed to do to keep a government that reflected popular opinion from occurring?

Use our tax funded handouts and democratic influence to keep the peace as had been done for decades.

He choose silence with the anticipation the antagonists would fill the power void.

"And you have what we have here today". -Warden, Cool Hand Luke.

 

[JoeB131]

Regardless, how long did it take Obama to condemn the action? And what is he doing about it now?

No matter what he does, you'll find fault with it, I'm sure.

 

[JoeB131]

So again, what was Obama actually supposed to do to keep a government that reflected popular opinion from occurring?

Use our tax funded handouts and democratic influence to keep the peace as had been done for decades.

He choose silence with the anticipation the antagonists would fill the power void.

"And you have what we have here today". -Warden, Cool Hand Luke.

Except that wasn't working anymore. The 'handouts' were for the military, the people saw no benefit from that.

Point was, Mubarek was going down, and the Muslim Brotherhood was the only group ready to fill in the gap.

Which has really been part of our whole mideast problem. We keep propping up these dictators, and then we find when they can't sustain themselves, the only people ready to step in are the Jihadists.

 

[mudwhistle]

Could anyone imagine if a private citizen in a Muslim country made an anti-Christian or anti-American film which was on you tube, and thousands of US citizens stormed a Middle East Embassy, killing people including the ambassador? You think the leader of the Muslim/Middle East country invloved would be sympathetic to the Amercan concerns?
OBENSHAIN: For Barack Obama, Muslims can do no wrong - Washington Times

If it were just the movie, yeah... that'd be one thing.

BUt it's the movie and the koran burnings and the invasions and the support of Israel and the pictures of torture.

All these greivences have a cumalitive effect.

Incidently, the only thing that was said was that this movie was out of line, which it was. Not said by Obama or our Ambassador to Egypt, but a low-ranking public affairs officer who didn't follow instructions and issued the statement.

Regardless, how long did it take Obama to condemn the action? And what is he doing about it now?

Sorry Joe, you're on ignore, so I'm going through another person's post.

We keep hearing the same exact statements as the "low-ranking public affairs officer who didn't follow instructions".

Seems to me they were just saying what they were told to say because Hillary and Jay Carney have repeated it over and over again.