Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age

[KittenKoder]

So now an increase in CO2 causes warming and cooling...

"When you want to see a miracle you will even when looking at your own suffering."

 

[Old Rocks]

So now an increase in CO2 causes warming and cooling...

Well, if you are so simple minded that you cannot see the logic of what happens when the thermohaline circulation closes down? Have a look at the latitude of most of Europe.

 

[Amanda]

Global warming is just the term we use to describe it. If you can get it out of your head that it always means WARMING, then maybe it'll be easier for you to understand.

We're causing climate change. That could mean the polar caps completely melt in the summer, and raise water levels 40 feet.

Or, we could be causing the ice to completely freeze over in the winter, and that too could kill off seals and polar bears.

Why call it "Global Warming" if that's not what it is? How are you getting to the "We're causing climate change" position? How do you know it isn't just happening?

 

[Old Rocks]

Why call it "Global Warming" if that's not what it is? How are you getting to the "We're causing climate change" position? How do you know it isn't just happening?

Things do not just 'happen'. There are causes and drivers of natural events. We have a pretty good understanding of the Milankovic Cycle;

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We have a good climatic record of climate cycles for at least the last 650,000 years from the ice cores;

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003142.htmlhttp://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=221
Ice Core Extends Climate Record Back 650,000 Years: Scientific American

By the Milankovic Cycles we should just be starting a gradual cooling leading into another ice age in 10 or 20 thousand years. Instead, over the last 150 years, and especially the last 50 years, we have seen an accelerating warming. And the only major change that we have seen in the factors that influence climate is the GHGs that man has put into the atmosphere.

 

[KittenKoder]

Well ... these last couple years it's been getting cooler.

 

[Tech_Esq]

Things do not just 'happen'. There are causes and drivers of natural events. We have a pretty good understanding of the Milankovic Cycle;

Milankovitch cycles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We have a good climatic record of climate cycles for at least the last 650,000 years from the ice cores;

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003142.htmlhttp://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=221
Ice Core Extends Climate Record Back 650,000 Years: Scientific American

By the Milankovic Cycles we should just be starting a gradual cooling leading into another ice age in 10 or 20 thousand years. Instead, over the last 150 years, and especially the last 50 years, we have seen an accelerating warming. And the only major change that we have seen in the factors that influence climate is the GHGs that man has put into the atmosphere.

You should be beginning to understand that your data set is so infinitesimally small that scientists can not hope to accurately predict jack shit from it. Any pretending that they can is just an attempt to take advantage of people's ignorance and stampede them in a politically motivated direction.

If you people would just admit that, then we could have a rational discussion about whether it is a good thing to adopt "green" technologies. Until that time, we'll be at loggerheads.

 

[Old Rocks]

You should be beginning to understand that your data set is so infinitesimally small that scientists can not hope to accurately predict jack shit from it. Any pretending that they can is just an attempt to take advantage of people's ignorance and stampede them in a politically motivated direction.

If you people would just admit that, then we could have a rational discussion about whether it is a good thing to adopt "green" technologies. Until that time, we'll be at loggerheads.

They have already made successful predictions from the data set that they have. A data set that goes back 650,000 years fairly detailed, and much further by proxys. What I do understand is that people like yourself are in denial that we have to make changes if our descendants are not going to have major problems that we have caused.

 

[dilloduck]

They have already made successful predictions from the data set that they have. A data set that goes back 650,000 years fairly detailed, and much further by proxys. What I do understand is that people like yourself are in denial that we have to make changes if our descendants are not going to have major problems that we have caused.

Is there ever a generation that didn't have to clean up what the previous one did? I can hear it now from my future grandkids. " damn you grandpa, you made life too hot for me ".