What a bunch of attention whores running that school!
Poor kid.
Poor kid.
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If it is against the law to bring a firearm onto school property, then, yes, the school has no option but to report it to the police. The are obligated to do so. If it costs him a lot of money to defend himself, he will learn not to break the law. As far as his suspension from school and not being allowed to participate in school activities, including graduation ceremonies, I imagine that is following school rules and procedures, which, again, they cannot make exceptions about if those rules are to be taken seriously by all of the students now and in the future. He wont' get jail time and most likely will not be convicted of a felony. So you are making a big issue out of nothing. The laws are in place because of things bad people have done. All laws are in place because of those who do bad things, but we all have to obey those laws. That's what a civilized society does. If you make a stupid, irresponsible mistake that breaks the law, you pay for it, just like anyone else.
Big "if."
Does the "law" there prohibit bringing a gun on to school property?
Or does the law make it illegal to do so KNOWINGLY?
The SCHOOL's policy, says (in relevant part):
But the North Carolina LAW seems to REQUIRE that it be "knowingly"
-- GS_14-269.2§ 14‑269.2. Weapons on campus or other educational property.
(a) The following definitions apply to this section:
(1) Educational property. – Any school building or bus, school campus, grounds, recreational area, athletic field, or other property owned, used, or operated by any board of education or school board of trustees, or directors for the administration of any school.
* * * *
(1b) School. – A public or private school, community college, college, or university.
(2) Student. – A person enrolled in a school or a person who has been suspended or expelled within the last five years from a school, whether the person is an adult or a minor.
* * * *
(4) Weapon. – Any device enumerated in subsection (b), (b1), or (d) of this section.
(b) It shall be a Class I felony for any person knowingly to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind on educational property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by a school. Unless the conduct is covered under some other provision of law providing greater punishment, any person who willfully discharges a firearm of any kind on educational property is guilty of a Class F felony. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, or air pistol.
Of course he did it knowingly. Just because he temporarily forgot it was in the car, that does not mean he didn't know it was there. He knew it was there, he just wasn't thinking. For example, I got on a plane once with my carry on bag full of expensive cosmetics I'd bought while traveling. I knew the law and I knew it wasn't allowed in carry on bags, but I 'forgot' temporarily because I had a lot of other things on my mind. They pulled me aside and opened the bag. The security person was a woman and realized this was very expensive cosmetics (bottles of skin care treatments), so she didn't want to dump it. She allowed me to check the bag in and have it go cargo w/o the extra cost because it was a small bag. But, I got a lecture about what was allowed and what wasn't. I knew what was allowed, I just wasn't thinking. And that's just cosmetics. How can someone forget a gun? Especially considering all the campus shootings in the US. IMO it is pretty hard for something like that to slip one's mind. So, he knew it was there; I knew the cosmetics were there, and the airline would have been within their rights to dump all of it if they chose to.
As far as the school punishment, it looks like that is mandated by the school board, so, again, the principal had no option but to follow the rules.
Big "if."
Does the "law" there prohibit bringing a gun on to school property?
Or does the law make it illegal to do so KNOWINGLY?
The SCHOOL's policy, says (in relevant part):
But the North Carolina LAW seems to REQUIRE that it be "knowingly"
-- GS_14-269.2
Of course he did it knowingly. Just because he temporarily forgot it was in the car, that does not mean he didn't know it was there. He knew it was there, he just wasn't thinking. For example, I got on a plane once with my carry on bag full of expensive cosmetics I'd bought while traveling. I knew the law and I knew it wasn't allowed in carry on bags, but I 'forgot' temporarily because I had a lot of other things on my mind. They pulled me aside and opened the bag. The security person was a woman and realized this was very expensive cosmetics (bottles of skin care treatments), so she didn't want to dump it. She allowed me to check the bag in and have it go cargo w/o the extra cost because it was a small bag. But, I got a lecture about what was allowed and what wasn't. I knew what was allowed, I just wasn't thinking. And that's just cosmetics. How can someone forget a gun? Especially considering all the campus shootings in the US. IMO it is pretty hard for something like that to slip one's mind. So, he knew it was there; I knew the cosmetics were there, and the airline would have been within their rights to dump all of it if they chose to.
As far as the school punishment, it looks like that is mandated by the school board, so, again, the principal had no option but to follow the rules.
Unless of course it's the VP or a teacher. They get a pass.
I love how libs are always crying about fairness. ....but only when it suits them.
Zero sympathy here forgot and guns do not go together.His crime: He went skeet shooting the day before with some friends, safely unloaded and locked up his shotgun in his truck afterward, and then forgot it was there the next day when he drove to school.
With gun ownership comes responsibility, and part of that responsibility is knowing gun laws, policies, rules, and regulations.
Its better he learn a hard lesson at a young age.
Lets hope this will compel him to never forget about a gun again.
Amen!
Of course he did it knowingly. Just because he temporarily forgot it was in the car, that does not mean he didn't know it was there. He knew it was there, he just wasn't thinking. For example, I got on a plane once with my carry on bag full of expensive cosmetics I'd bought while traveling. I knew the law and I knew it wasn't allowed in carry on bags, but I 'forgot' temporarily because I had a lot of other things on my mind. They pulled me aside and opened the bag. The security person was a woman and realized this was very expensive cosmetics (bottles of skin care treatments), so she didn't want to dump it. She allowed me to check the bag in and have it go cargo w/o the extra cost because it was a small bag. But, I got a lecture about what was allowed and what wasn't. I knew what was allowed, I just wasn't thinking. And that's just cosmetics. How can someone forget a gun? Especially considering all the campus shootings in the US. IMO it is pretty hard for something like that to slip one's mind. So, he knew it was there; I knew the cosmetics were there, and the airline would have been within their rights to dump all of it if they chose to.
As far as the school punishment, it looks like that is mandated by the school board, so, again, the principal had no option but to follow the rules.
Unless of course it's the VP or a teacher. They get a pass.
I love how libs are always crying about fairness. ....but only when it suits them.
I never said the VP or a teacher should get a pass. Not in one of my posts have I even alluded to the VP or teacher. I think it is a separate issue. This thread is about the Eagle Scout.
Any others should also be dealt with according to the rules and the law. Of course. I don't think anyone, anyone you would label as a liberal or otherwise, has suggested on this thread that anyone should get a pass...well, except the conservatives seem to think the student should not be punished. But no liberals have said or suggested, as far as I've seen, that the teacher or administrator should be treated in any other way than according to the law and the district or school rules. Not the teacher, not the VP and not the student.
If it is against the law to bring a firearm onto school property, then, yes, the school has no option but to report it to the police. The are obligated to do so. If it costs him a lot of money to defend himself, he will learn not to break the law. As far as his suspension from school and not being allowed to participate in school activities, including graduation ceremonies, I imagine that is following school rules and procedures, which, again, they cannot make exceptions about if those rules are to be taken seriously by all of the students now and in the future. He wont' get jail time and most likely will not be convicted of a felony. So you are making a big issue out of nothing. The laws are in place because of things bad people have done. All laws are in place because of those who do bad things, but we all have to obey those laws. That's what a civilized society does. If you make a stupid, irresponsible mistake that breaks the law, you pay for it, just like anyone else.
Big "if."
Does the "law" there prohibit bringing a gun on to school property?
Or does the law make it illegal to do so KNOWINGLY?
The SCHOOL's policy, says (in relevant part):
But the North Carolina LAW seems to REQUIRE that it be "knowingly"
-- GS_14-269.2§ 14‑269.2. Weapons on campus or other educational property.
(a) The following definitions apply to this section:
(1) Educational property. Any school building or bus, school campus, grounds, recreational area, athletic field, or other property owned, used, or operated by any board of education or school board of trustees, or directors for the administration of any school.
* * * *
(1b) School. A public or private school, community college, college, or university.
(2) Student. A person enrolled in a school or a person who has been suspended or expelled within the last five years from a school, whether the person is an adult or a minor.
* * * *
(4) Weapon. Any device enumerated in subsection (b), (b1), or (d) of this section.
(b) It shall be a Class I felony for any person knowingly to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind on educational property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by a school. Unless the conduct is covered under some other provision of law providing greater punishment, any person who willfully discharges a firearm of any kind on educational property is guilty of a Class F felony. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, or air pistol.
Of course he did it knowingly. Just because he temporarily forgot it was in the car, that does not mean he didn't know it was there. He knew it was there, he just wasn't thinking. For example, I got on a plane once with my carry on bag full of expensive cosmetics I'd bought while traveling. I knew the law and I knew it wasn't allowed in carry on bags, but I 'forgot' temporarily because I had a lot of other things on my mind. They pulled me aside and opened the bag. The security person was a woman and realized this was very expensive cosmetics (bottles of skin care treatments), so she didn't want to dump it. She allowed me to check the bag in and have it go cargo w/o the extra cost because it was a small bag. But, I got a lecture about what was allowed and what wasn't. I knew what was allowed, I just wasn't thinking. And that's just cosmetics. How can someone forget a gun? Especially considering all the campus shootings in the US. IMO it is pretty hard for something like that to slip one's mind. So, he knew it was there; I knew the cosmetics were there, and the airline would have been within their rights to dump all of it if they chose to.
As far as the school punishment, it looks like that is mandated by the school board, so, again, the principal had no option but to follow the rules.
If it is against the law to bring a firearm onto school property, then, yes, the school has no option but to report it to the police. The are obligated to do so. If it costs him a lot of money to defend himself, he will learn not to break the law. As far as his suspension from school and not being allowed to participate in school activities, including graduation ceremonies, I imagine that is following school rules and procedures, which, again, they cannot make exceptions about if those rules are to be taken seriously by all of the students now and in the future. He wont' get jail time and most likely will not be convicted of a felony. So you are making a big issue out of nothing. The laws are in place because of things bad people have done. All laws are in place because of those who do bad things, but we all have to obey those laws. That's what a civilized society does. If you make a stupid, irresponsible mistake that breaks the law, you pay for it, just like anyone else.
Big "if."
Does the "law" there prohibit bringing a gun on to school property?
Or does the law make it illegal to do so KNOWINGLY?
The SCHOOL's policy, says (in relevant part):
But the North Carolina LAW seems to REQUIRE that it be "knowingly"
-- GS_14-269.2§ 14‑269.2. Weapons on campus or other educational property.
(a) The following definitions apply to this section:
(1) Educational property. Any school building or bus, school campus, grounds, recreational area, athletic field, or other property owned, used, or operated by any board of education or school board of trustees, or directors for the administration of any school.
* * * *
(1b) School. A public or private school, community college, college, or university.
(2) Student. A person enrolled in a school or a person who has been suspended or expelled within the last five years from a school, whether the person is an adult or a minor.
* * * *
(4) Weapon. Any device enumerated in subsection (b), (b1), or (d) of this section.
(b) It shall be a Class I felony for any person knowingly to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind on educational property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by a school. Unless the conduct is covered under some other provision of law providing greater punishment, any person who willfully discharges a firearm of any kind on educational property is guilty of a Class F felony. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, or air pistol.
Of course he did it knowingly. Just because he temporarily forgot it was in the car, that does not mean he didn't know it was there. He knew it was there, he just wasn't thinking. For example, I got on a plane once with my carry on bag full of expensive cosmetics I'd bought while traveling. I knew the law and I knew it wasn't allowed in carry on bags, but I 'forgot' temporarily because I had a lot of other things on my mind. They pulled me aside and opened the bag. The security person was a woman and realized this was very expensive cosmetics (bottles of skin care treatments), so she didn't want to dump it. She allowed me to check the bag in and have it go cargo w/o the extra cost because it was a small bag. But, I got a lecture about what was allowed and what wasn't. I knew what was allowed, I just wasn't thinking. And that's just cosmetics. How can someone forget a gun? Especially considering all the campus shootings in the US. IMO it is pretty hard for something like that to slip one's mind. So, he knew it was there; I knew the cosmetics were there, and the airline would have been within their rights to dump all of it if they chose to.
As far as the school punishment, it looks like that is mandated by the school board, so, again, the principal had no option but to follow the rules.
If it is against the law to bring a firearm onto school property, then, yes, the school has no option but to report it to the police. The are obligated to do so. If it costs him a lot of money to defend himself, he will learn not to break the law. As far as his suspension from school and not being allowed to participate in school activities, including graduation ceremonies, I imagine that is following school rules and procedures, which, again, they cannot make exceptions about if those rules are to be taken seriously by all of the students now and in the future. He wont' get jail time and most likely will not be convicted of a felony. So you are making a big issue out of nothing. The laws are in place because of things bad people have done. All laws are in place because of those who do bad things, but we all have to obey those laws. That's what a civilized society does. If you make a stupid, irresponsible mistake that breaks the law, you pay for it, just like anyone else.
Big "if."
Does the "law" there prohibit bringing a gun on to school property?
Or does the law make it illegal to do so KNOWINGLY?
The SCHOOL's policy, says (in relevant part):
But the North Carolina LAW seems to REQUIRE that it be "knowingly"
-- GS_14-269.2§ 14‑269.2. Weapons on campus or other educational property.
(a) The following definitions apply to this section:
(1) Educational property. Any school building or bus, school campus, grounds, recreational area, athletic field, or other property owned, used, or operated by any board of education or school board of trustees, or directors for the administration of any school.
* * * *
(1b) School. A public or private school, community college, college, or university.
(2) Student. A person enrolled in a school or a person who has been suspended or expelled within the last five years from a school, whether the person is an adult or a minor.
* * * *
(4) Weapon. Any device enumerated in subsection (b), (b1), or (d) of this section.
(b) It shall be a Class I felony for any person knowingly to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind on educational property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by a school. Unless the conduct is covered under some other provision of law providing greater punishment, any person who willfully discharges a firearm of any kind on educational property is guilty of a Class F felony. However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun, air rifle, or air pistol.
Of course he did it knowingly. Just because he temporarily forgot it was in the car, that does not mean he didn't know it was there. He knew it was there, he just wasn't thinking. For example, I got on a plane once with my carry on bag full of expensive cosmetics I'd bought while traveling. I knew the law and I knew it wasn't allowed in carry on bags, but I 'forgot' temporarily because I had a lot of other things on my mind. They pulled me aside and opened the bag. The security person was a woman and realized this was very expensive cosmetics (bottles of skin care treatments), so she didn't want to dump it. She allowed me to check the bag in and have it go cargo w/o the extra cost because it was a small bag. But, I got a lecture about what was allowed and what wasn't. I knew what was allowed, I just wasn't thinking. And that's just cosmetics. How can someone forget a gun? Especially considering all the campus shootings in the US. IMO it is pretty hard for something like that to slip one's mind. So, he knew it was there; I knew the cosmetics were there, and the airline would have been within their rights to dump all of it if they chose to.
As far as the school punishment, it looks like that is mandated by the school board, so, again, the principal had no option but to follow the rules.
Well, well, well.
The lefties here have shown as much common sense (none) as the reactionaries often display (none) on pet issues.
The rule was applied unevenly, with staff and admin getting breaks.
Mark my words: the student will graduate with his class and walk the stage.
Exactly.
There also is a law against rape. But there are no laws against carrying a (legal) firearm onto a premises (the exceptions being prisons, etc., where the laws are specific and plainly posted.)
So the cop who told that fellow he'd committed a felony for violating someone's arbitrary rule was pulling his chain for unnecessarily announcing he was carrying a gun.
Trespassing is a specific offense. There are specific laws against it. If you post a sign prohibiting trespassing and someone enters onto the posted property, they have broken the law and are subject to arrest.Dude, HELLO! If you're forbidden to carry a weapon onto someone's property and you do - that's trespassing. That's known as a "crime" ! Property owners are allowed to narrowly define who may come onto their property. If I put up a "no soliciting" sign on my property, that means I explicitly forbid solicitation and anyone entering for that purpose is trespassing. If I put up a "no firearms allowed" sign on my property and you enter with a firearm, you are trespassing unless the law provides otherwise (cops executing their duty, for instance).
But if you post a sign forbidding the wearing of green shirts on the premises, and someone enters the premises wearing a green shirt, do you think they have broken the law?
If the firearm is legally owned and permitted it is comparable to the green shirt example as far as your sign is concerned. But if you tell the gun carrier, or the green shirt wearer, he is not welcome on your premises, and you tell him to leave, and he doesn't, then you can have him arrested. But don't make the mistake of believing violation of your posted rule, alone, translates to trespassing, because trespassing is a seperate offense and intention to trespass must be proved.I wouldn't be surprised if trespassing while carrying a firearm is a felony, either. Do we know what state this happened in?
Carrying a (legal) gun or wearing a green shirt, in defiance of a posted sign, does not constitute or prove intention to trespass.
I would have been here sooner, but sadly I lost another family member the day that you left this message for me and their funeral was earlier today.Smoke some more pot douchebagThanks to those who do and have had bad intentions, no exception can be made for this boy and now a normal graduating experience has been taken from him among other things I'm sure. You people, who are the reason why the guns laws are so strict now, I hope y'all are happy!!!
CaféAuLait;7209046 said:The school board stood by their original decision today.
That doesn't surprise me and to me it is all because of those who would have taken advantage of the situation if the boy had been able to slide.CaféAuLait;7209046 said:The school board stood by their original decision today.
CaféAuLait;7209046 said:The school board stood by their original decision today.
Do you have a link, I can't find it.