Drudge Poll last night...WHO Won the Debate.... LOL..Who do you think?

[SuperDemocrat]

The fawning support for Trump is a real tribute to the ascendancy of form over substance.

Is that like empty slogans like "yes we can" "change you can believe in". Plenty of form...no substance.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Our right to keep and bare arms is not granted by the Constitution or bestowed by federal or state governments. Our right to keep and bare arms is an inalienable right.

Not quite. We have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While that includes to right to self defense, it does not include the right to own an Abrams Tank.

P.S. Ranting and raving does not add credibility to one's position.

Why can't I own an Abrams tank?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And I see no reason to ban the fifty cal.
It's not like anyone is using them to kill people.

LOL, what ARE they used for? Putting bigger holes in paper targets? Their main use is to pierce lightly armored vehicles and as long range sniper weapons. Do you think civilians should have tripod mounted .50 caliber Brownings if they are converted to single shot use?

People do have those and more,yet you never hear of them shooting up a mall.

Entertaining, but this weapon is already illegal without a special permit. Would you like to see it in wider circulation and available to would-be jihadists?

Super duper gun control nirvana in France...yet the terrorists somehow had automatic weapons...

You make the classic mistake in believing terrorists obey laws. If they want an automatic weapon...they will get one. Just walk it across the border...or ship it in a shipping container.

but Missourian, if making certain assault weapons illegal, will limit the production of the guns, giving fewer guns for criminals to smuggle and sell on the black market, making the price of these illegal assault weapons sky rocket, making them less affordable for the criminal, ultimately reducing the assault weapons in the hands of criminals....

At least that is the theory of supply and demand???

How do you stop other countries from manufacturing assault weapons?
And assault rifles arent the problem anyway,it's handguns in the inner cities that are responsible for the majority of gun deaths in America.

 

[Pete7469]

LOL, what ARE they used for? Putting bigger holes in paper targets? Their main use is to pierce lightly armored vehicles and as long range sniper weapons. Do you think civilians should have tripod mounted .50 caliber Brownings if they are converted to single shot use?

Yes, and Full Autos.

 

[Missourian]

And I see no reason to ban the fifty cal.
It's not like anyone is using them to kill people.

LOL, what ARE they used for? Putting bigger holes in paper targets? Their main use is to pierce lightly armored vehicles and as long range sniper weapons. Do you think civilians should have tripod mounted .50 caliber Brownings if they are converted to single shot use?

People do have those and more,yet you never hear of them shooting up a mall.

Entertaining, but this weapon is already illegal without a special permit. Would you like to see it in wider circulation and available to would-be jihadists?

Super duper gun control nirvana in France...yet the terrorists somehow had automatic weapons...

You make the classic mistake in believing terrorists obey laws. If they want an automatic weapon...they will get one. Just walk it across the border...or ship it in a shipping container.

but Missourian, if making certain assault weapons illegal, will limit the production of the guns, giving fewer guns for criminals to smuggle and sell on the black market, making the price of these illegal assault weapons sky rocket, making them less affordable for the criminal, ultimately reducing the assault weapons in the hands of criminals....

At least that is the theory of supply and demand???

Kalashnikov rifles aren't made in the U.S. and they are already highly regulated here...yet they were easily obtained by the terrorists in France...where they are completely illegal...as well as the rest of the Eurozone.

So it would seem that gun laws are irrelevant to terrorists abilities to acquire automatic weapons. By extension we can extrapolate that any assault weapon ban on semi automatic rifles would be equally ineffectual.

 

[jwoodie]

Our right to keep and bare arms is not granted by the Constitution or bestowed by federal or state governments. Our right to keep and bare arms is an inalienable right.

Not quite. We have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. While that includes to right to self defense, it does not include the right to own an Abrams Tank.

P.S. Ranting and raving does not add credibility to one's position.

Hey dummy citizens can and do in fact own tanks, and fully automatic machine guns, and many weapons formally used in war.

Federal Firearms Regulations

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the ATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

(Sources: talk.politics.guns FAQ, part 2, "FAQ on National Firearms Act Weapons", and from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms,and Explosives (ATF) National Firearms Act FAQ. See also, "The Firearms Owners' Protection Act: A Historical and Legal Perspective" [Hardy, 1986]) )

Twenty-five states have no further restrictions on civilian ownership of machine guns (some require registration with the state) than what is required by federal law. Other states have either placed further restrictions or outlawed operable machine guns to civilians entirely.

GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns

 

[Care4all]

LOL, what ARE they used for? Putting bigger holes in paper targets? Their main use is to pierce lightly armored vehicles and as long range sniper weapons. Do you think civilians should have tripod mounted .50 caliber Brownings if they are converted to single shot use?

People do have those and more,yet you never hear of them shooting up a mall.

Entertaining, but this weapon is already illegal without a special permit. Would you like to see it in wider circulation and available to would-be jihadists?

Super duper gun control nirvana in France...yet the terrorists somehow had automatic weapons...

You make the classic mistake in believing terrorists obey laws. If they want an automatic weapon...they will get one. Just walk it across the border...or ship it in a shipping container.

but Missourian, if making certain assault weapons illegal, will limit the production of the guns, giving fewer guns for criminals to smuggle and sell on the black market, making the price of these illegal assault weapons sky rocket, making them less affordable for the criminal, ultimately reducing the assault weapons in the hands of criminals....

At least that is the theory of supply and demand???

How do you stop other countries from manufacturing assault weapons?
And assault rifles arent the problem anyway,it's handguns in the inner cities that are responsible for the majority of gun deaths in America.

You can't stop other countries from making them, you can limit what is made and eventually become available to the criminals....

and importing from another Nation would be illegal as well, so the price on the black market would be prohibitive, sky high, especially if obtained from another country's perp selling them illegally....the greater risk the perp would have to take and the fewer guns on the market from less being made and sold in our country, would make the price rise to unbelievable heights....less criminals could afford them....

And yes, some perp who could afford one, would probably manage to do such and become a mass murderer with the gun.... but these mass shooting incidences should be reduced, again in theory, by the reduced assault guns on the market and astronomical price. ( Of course this could lead to just the Drug Lords, (or the wealthier criminal boss)owning the assault weapons and having greater power over their workers or other criminals) I am just thinking out loud here, trying to see if there is a solution to our problems here in America with all the gun deaths yearly....and perhaps this is just the human price we have to pay for the 2nd amendment, but I wish this were not the case and we could somehow reduce these gun crimes and gun deaths....

Hand guns in inner cities are a problem, I have no ideas on how to stop that...other than going real hard on the dealers that sell them illegally on the black market or that buy them in bulk at gun shows, specifically to sell on the black market.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

1 Cruz
2 Christie
3 Rubio/Fiorina
4 Bush
5 everyone else

With a quibble or two, I'd also say it was a Cruz night.

I also see it as Christie having helped himself (with a more significant blunder or two).

I don't know that Rubio's performance was good enough to overcome some of the drubbing he was forced to take.

Trump was kind of lackluster and I don't think he helped his cause much. He might even sink now a bit in the polls.

Fiorina was ok, and tried to force herself into the discussion when the hack Moderators were busy ignoring her. But too little to help and maybe sounded a bit too whiny.

Paul was a voice of consistency, but he's basically done anyway.

Jeb was a case of far too little and I suspect far too late. He also came across as a bit petty (imho).

Carson had a few good swings, but was not much of an impact player.

Kasich was evidently using the national stage to seek the Office of President of Ohio.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

People do have those and more,yet you never hear of them shooting up a mall.

Entertaining, but this weapon is already illegal without a special permit. Would you like to see it in wider circulation and available to would-be jihadists?

Super duper gun control nirvana in France...yet the terrorists somehow had automatic weapons...

You make the classic mistake in believing terrorists obey laws. If they want an automatic weapon...they will get one. Just walk it across the border...or ship it in a shipping container.

but Missourian, if making certain assault weapons illegal, will limit the production of the guns, giving fewer guns for criminals to smuggle and sell on the black market, making the price of these illegal assault weapons sky rocket, making them less affordable for the criminal, ultimately reducing the assault weapons in the hands of criminals....

At least that is the theory of supply and demand???

How do you stop other countries from manufacturing assault weapons?
And assault rifles arent the problem anyway,it's handguns in the inner cities that are responsible for the majority of gun deaths in America.

You can't stop other countries from making them, you can limit what is made and eventually become available to the criminals....

and importing from another Nation would be illegal as well, so the price on the black market would be prohibitive, sky high, especially if obtained from another country's perp selling them illegally....the greater risk the perp would have to take and the fewer guns on the market from less being made and sold in our country, would make the price rise to unbelievable heights....less criminals could afford them....

And yes, some perp who could afford one, would probably manage to do such and become a mass murderer with the gun.... but these mass shooting incidences should be reduced, again in theory, by the reduced assault guns on the market and astronomical price. ( Of course this could lead to just the Drug Lords, (or the wealthier criminal boss)owning the assault weapons and having greater power over their workers or other criminals) I am just thinking out loud here, trying to see if there is a solution to our problems here in America with all the gun deaths yearly....and perhaps this is just the human price we have to pay for the 2nd amendment, but I wish this were not the case and we could somehow reduce these gun crimes and gun deaths....

Hand guns in inner cities are a problem, I have no ideas on how to stop that...other than going real hard on the dealers that sell them illegally on the black market or that buy them in bulk at gun shows, specifically to sell on the black market.

Terrorist would have no problem getting their hands on and bringing in automatic weapons.
And the only way to deal with inner city violence is to hand out mandatory 25 year sentences for committing a crime with a firearm.
A life sentence for firing a weapon during the commission of a crime.
And the death penalty if you kill someone while committing a crime with a gun.
There are not that many shooter types out there and it's the same people committing gun crimes over and over.
Lock em up longterm and the word would get out real fast.

 

[Missourian]

The AK-47 has made it into the Guinness Book of Records as the most widely spread weapon in the world, with 100 million Kalashnikovrifles currently in use. 5. Military and special forces in 106 countries around the globe from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe are now armed with AK-47s.

Rt.com

Is it cost prohibitive to import illegal drugs?

Seems to be a booming business in importing contraband into the United States. Terrorists would have zero problems acquiring and illegally importing real assault weapons. Our laws on the subject are completely irrelevant. An semi automatic rifle ban only infringes on the rights of law abiding gun owners.

France is the example that proofs the rule.

Gun control nirvana. 100% semi automatic rifle ban. Yet terrorists smuggled in real assault weapons. It was not cost prohibitive. The laws didn't stop them. The supply in the Eurozone was zero.

But they got them...they used them...and there was no one to stop them...

 

[Liminal]

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

 

[boilermaker55]

There you are folks, right out of the mouth of an intellect.
LOL!

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

Cameron can shut his liberal mouth.

 

[Liminal]

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

Perhaps there's an intelligence test too. That would mean none of Trump's followers could ever go there.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

Perhaps there's an intelligence test too. That would mean none of Trump's followers could ever go there.

Or you.

 

[Liminal]

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

Perhaps there's an intelligence test too. That would mean none of Trump's followers could ever go there.

Or you.

As if it's my fault that over 70% of Trump followers never graduated from college.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

Perhaps there's an intelligence test too. That would mean none of Trump's followers could ever go there.

Or you.

As if it's my fault that over 70% of Trump followers never graduated from college.

Shrillary graduated from college, yet she's a fucking dumbass.

Graduating from college is not a valid indicator of either intelligence or common sense.

It may be your fault that you are so plodding.

 

[Liminal]

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

Perhaps there's an intelligence test too. That would mean none of Trump's followers could ever go there.

Or you.

As if it's my fault that over 70% of Trump followers never graduated from college.

Shrillary graduated from college, yet she's a fucking dumbass.

Graduating from college is not a valid indicator of either intelligence or common sense.

It may be your fault that you are so plodding.

As if further demonstration of your somewhat modest intellectual endowment were actually needed.

 

[jc456]

Prime minister Cameron has nothing to do with American debates and his opinion is inconsequential.

He probably just doesn't want unwitting supporters of ISIS in his country.

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

Perhaps there's an intelligence test too. That would mean none of Trump's followers could ever go there.

correct, because they all already passed go and collected 200 dollars.

 

[jc456]

He wants the witting supporters of ISIS?

Perhaps there's an intelligence test too. That would mean none of Trump's followers could ever go there.

Or you.

As if it's my fault that over 70% of Trump followers never graduated from college.

Shrillary graduated from college, yet she's a fucking dumbass.

Graduating from college is not a valid indicator of either intelligence or common sense.

It may be your fault that you are so plodding.

As if further demonstration of your somewhat modest intellectual endowment were actually needed.

exactly what I'd say to you.