chanel
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I'm with you sunni man.
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Do you think we are better off executing some people, RGS?
I support the Death Penalty. I believe it is appropriate and would be more effective if we put people to death in a reasonable time and BROADCAST the executions.
If I were on a Jury that had to make that decision I would have a hard time, the evidence would have to be overwhelming.
I cannot debate "appropriate". I agree, for some crimes, it is. All the evidence we have suggests it is 100% INEFFECTIVE at deterring other death-qualified crimes. We pay, ethically, socially, economically and elsewise. The families of victims pay VERY heavy freight. The innocent but executed pay a price we should all find morally aborhent.
I just do not see how the DP can be fancied up enough to ever be worth all these costs, RGS.
It's also about plea bargaining. A useful chip when negotiating a guilty plea. Very useful.
I believe in an eye for and eye justice.I'm with you sunni man.
I believe in an eye for and eye justice.I'm with you sunni man.
In this scums case.
They should tie him up and let the victims family pour gasoline on him and be given a box of matches.
I believe in an eye for and eye justice.I'm with you sunni man.
In this scums case.
They should tie him up and let the victims family pour gasoline on him and be given a box of matches.
eye for an eye? Ok, so carpet kissers blow up the WTC, so we should retaliate by nuking the whole middle east. Might as well do it now, we'll EVENTUALLY have to do it anyways.
I support the Death Penalty. I believe it is appropriate and would be more effective if we put people to death in a reasonable time and BROADCAST the executions.
If I were on a Jury that had to make that decision I would have a hard time, the evidence would have to be overwhelming.
I cannot debate "appropriate". I agree, for some crimes, it is. All the evidence we have suggests it is 100% INEFFECTIVE at deterring other death-qualified crimes. We pay, ethically, socially, economically and elsewise. The families of victims pay VERY heavy freight. The innocent but executed pay a price we should all find morally aborhent.
I just do not see how the DP can be fancied up enough to ever be worth all these costs, RGS.
ALL the evidence we have says that, huh? Then how come I can point you to seven recent studies just off the top of my head that say the exact opposite?
A Buddhist says no. We take vows called the five precepts and the first one is not to kill.
Jesse Timmendequas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaTimmendequas lived with two other convicted sex offenders across the street from his victim. He lured the girl into his house by offering to show her a puppy. After raping her, he slammed her head onto a dresser, put two plastic bags over her head, and strangled her to death with a belt. He moved her body to his truck, assaulting her once again before placing the body in a wooden toy chest and dumping it in nearby Mercer County Park. The next day, he confessed to investigators and led police to the site. Evidence including bloodstains, hair, and fiber samples, as well as a bite mark matching Megan Kanka's teeth on Timmendequas' hand, led to Timmendequas being found guilty of kidnapping, four counts of aggravated sexual assault, and two counts of felony murder committing murder in the course of a felony.[2]
One month after the murder, the New Jersey General Assembly passed a series of bills proposed by Paul Kramer that would require sex offender registration, with a database tracked by the state, community notification of registered sex offenders moving into a neighborhood and life in prison without a chance of parole for those convicted of a second sexual assault. Kramer expressed incredulity at the controversy created by the bills, saying that "Megan Kanka would be alive today" if the bills he proposed had been law.[3]
Congressman Dick Zimmer stated, "I believe he is exactly the kind of predator that the legislature had in mind when it enacted the death penalty." The court sentenced Timmendequas to death, and the sentence was upheld by the New Jersey Supreme Court on appeal.[4] Timmendequas remained on New Jersey's Death Row until December 17, 2007, when the New Jersey Legislature abolished the state's death penalty. This ban resulted in Timmendequas's sentence being commuted to life in prison without parole.[5][6]
No one can tell me this monster deserves three hots and a cot.
Oh and BTW - he's white Madeline. In case you were keeping score.
The death penalty must be good, because I've yet to see anyone executed who didn't look like he was a douchebag. Everyone on death row always looks like a doucher too, they should get the line moving!
They almost all look male, black, poor and not overly bright. Your idea of who a killer is needs a bit of updating if you'd like to stay safe.
"Almost all"? Your generalizations are getting worse.
It's not surprising that a lot of convicted murderers look male, black, poor and dumb. It'd be because a lot of murders are committed by black, poor, dumb men. Are we racist for not throwing some completely innocent white women onto death row just to make it look more fair?
I cannot debate "appropriate". I agree, for some crimes, it is. All the evidence we have suggests it is 100% INEFFECTIVE at deterring other death-qualified crimes. We pay, ethically, socially, economically and elsewise. The families of victims pay VERY heavy freight. The innocent but executed pay a price we should all find morally aborhent.
I just do not see how the DP can be fancied up enough to ever be worth all these costs, RGS.
ALL the evidence we have says that, huh? Then how come I can point you to seven recent studies just off the top of my head that say the exact opposite?
So, where are these links Cecilie?
Jesse Timmendequas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaTimmendequas lived with two other convicted sex offenders across the street from his victim. He lured the girl into his house by offering to show her a puppy. After raping her, he slammed her head onto a dresser, put two plastic bags over her head, and strangled her to death with a belt. He moved her body to his truck, assaulting her once again before placing the body in a wooden toy chest and dumping it in nearby Mercer County Park. The next day, he confessed to investigators and led police to the site. Evidence including bloodstains, hair, and fiber samples, as well as a bite mark matching Megan Kanka's teeth on Timmendequas' hand, led to Timmendequas being found guilty of kidnapping, four counts of aggravated sexual assault, and two counts of felony murder committing murder in the course of a felony.[2]
One month after the murder, the New Jersey General Assembly passed a series of bills proposed by Paul Kramer that would require sex offender registration, with a database tracked by the state, community notification of registered sex offenders moving into a neighborhood and life in prison without a chance of parole for those convicted of a second sexual assault. Kramer expressed incredulity at the controversy created by the bills, saying that "Megan Kanka would be alive today" if the bills he proposed had been law.[3]
Congressman Dick Zimmer stated, "I believe he is exactly the kind of predator that the legislature had in mind when it enacted the death penalty." The court sentenced Timmendequas to death, and the sentence was upheld by the New Jersey Supreme Court on appeal.[4] Timmendequas remained on New Jersey's Death Row until December 17, 2007, when the New Jersey Legislature abolished the state's death penalty. This ban resulted in Timmendequas's sentence being commuted to life in prison without parole.[5][6]
No one can tell me this monster deserves three hots and a cot.
Oh and BTW - he's white Madeline. In case you were keeping score.
No one has to convince me some people need killing, chanel. I was in Florida when Ted Bundy was executed, and when Oba Chandler was executed. I have watched Charles Manson and others live out their lives and cause further damage, and I have no disagreement with the DP in some cases BUT........
I just do not think it can ever be made "fair" and the carrying costs to society are far too high. It's a satisfaction we take at the expense of victims' families and innocents on death row, etc. and I oppose how it really operates on all affected in the real world.
""So there is no reason why from a Koranic point of view why death penalty can not be abolished as long as the murdere is exiled from the land. Prison as we know is a form of exile from community.""
what complete and utter nonsense. islam is a barbaric, ignorant religion.
""The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides of their body... so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Surah al-Māida 5:33-34)" "
for making mischief in the land! that could be anything that the state or the religious authorities dont like. and, in the case of islamic authorities, they dont like a lot.
it is an uncivilized and barbaric religion that most of the world has long outgrown. even islamic countries shy away from implementing shariah law. surely one of the nastiest legal systems ever devised by man, never mind by a god!
Death penalty for murderers is necessary in a society
Death penalty for murderers is necessary in a society
Nope.
It's certainly not necessary to remove them as a threat from society.
And it's certainly not necessary money-wise.
We do it because we want to.
How do you get that Christianity supports the Death Penalty out of these New Testament verses??Christianity supports the death penalty in Romans 3:1-5
How do you get that Christianity supports the Death Penalty out of these New Testament verses??Christianity supports the death penalty in Romans 3:1-5
Romans 3:1-5
1 So, do Jews have anything that other people do not have? Is there any- thing special about being circumcised? 2 Yes, of course, there is in every way. The most important thing is this: God trusted the Jews with his teachings. 3 If some Jews were not faithful to him, will that stop God from doing what he promised? 4 No! God will continue to be true even when every person is false. As the Scriptures say: "So you will be shown to be right when you speak, and you will win your case." 5 When we do wrong, that shows more clearly that God is right. So can we say that God is wrong to punish us?