Does the U.S. have a trade deficit with Canada? No!

[OKTexas]

So what?

Don't you want to keep it, to the US' advantage? That's what Trump apparently wants, is he pretending about that?

What do I want, how about free trade, isn't that what the "FT" in NAFTA stands for?


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Define free trade?

You all like to talk about the tariffs Canada has on our dairy products, yet you ignore than more than 70% of what dairy farmers in the US make comes from government subsidies. So we are really no different than Canada, we just use a different tool to keep things we do not want out of the country.

No product produced for export should be subsidized by any country, that's not free trade.


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[Harpy Eagle]

So what?

Don't you want to keep it, to the US' advantage? That's what Trump apparently wants, is he pretending about that?

What do I want, how about free trade, isn't that what the "FT" in NAFTA stands for?


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Define free trade?

You all like to talk about the tariffs Canada has on our dairy products, yet you ignore than more than 70% of what dairy farmers in the US make comes from government subsidies. So we are really no different than Canada, we just use a different tool to keep things we do not want out of the country.

No product produced for export should be subsidized by any country, that's not free trade.


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Yet all countries are doing it, including the US. So, how is it that we are getting fucked when we do the same thing and just give it a different name?

 

[OKTexas]

So what?

Don't you want to keep it, to the US' advantage? That's what Trump apparently wants, is he pretending about that?

What do I want, how about free trade, isn't that what the "FT" in NAFTA stands for?


.

Define free trade?

You all like to talk about the tariffs Canada has on our dairy products, yet you ignore than more than 70% of what dairy farmers in the US make comes from government subsidies. So we are really no different than Canada, we just use a different tool to keep things we do not want out of the country.

No product produced for export should be subsidized by any country, that's not free trade.


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Yet all countries are doing it, including the US. So, how is it that we are getting fucked when we do the same thing and just give it a different name?

Simple, everyone just stop doing it. Or they can stop claiming they have free trade.


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[Harpy Eagle]

Don't you want to keep it, to the US' advantage? That's what Trump apparently wants, is he pretending about that?

What do I want, how about free trade, isn't that what the "FT" in NAFTA stands for?


.

Define free trade?

You all like to talk about the tariffs Canada has on our dairy products, yet you ignore than more than 70% of what dairy farmers in the US make comes from government subsidies. So we are really no different than Canada, we just use a different tool to keep things we do not want out of the country.

No product produced for export should be subsidized by any country, that's not free trade.


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Yet all countries are doing it, including the US. So, how is it that we are getting fucked when we do the same thing and just give it a different name?

Simple, everyone just stop doing it. Or they can stop claiming they have free trade.


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Do you think that is going to happen?

 

[OKTexas]

What do I want, how about free trade, isn't that what the "FT" in NAFTA stands for?


.

Define free trade?

You all like to talk about the tariffs Canada has on our dairy products, yet you ignore than more than 70% of what dairy farmers in the US make comes from government subsidies. So we are really no different than Canada, we just use a different tool to keep things we do not want out of the country.

No product produced for export should be subsidized by any country, that's not free trade.


.

Yet all countries are doing it, including the US. So, how is it that we are getting fucked when we do the same thing and just give it a different name?

Simple, everyone just stop doing it. Or they can stop claiming they have free trade.


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Do you think that is going to happen?

Do you?

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[miketx]

The only thing dumber than Trump is his base. Trade can only be fairly measured when including both goods and services. There are also other factors that must be considered.

Same shit different day. Troll.

 

[miketx]

The only thing dumber than Trump is his base. Trade can only be fairly measured when including both goods and services.

Well... whatever...snowflake... you're the tiny minority anyway so... go pound sand.

You're going to see some "yuuuge" changes this coming November in your map. You see all that red in that map that represents rural areas that are typically farming, ranching, etc?

They might want to read this.
The Great Depression Lesson About ‘Trade Wars’

And you might want to take a look at what has been going on in these special elections over the last year.
Blue wave coming this November 2018

Good! That way we can go ahead and get all this bullshit over with.

 

[Lakhota]

Protecting dairy in Canada is a sacred thing - and Trudeau knows that. Trudeau is taking heat from dairy farmers for even signaling a willingness to negotiate their dairy program with the U.S.

Canada’s system of quotas and tariffs for dairy, poultry and eggs, known as supply management, is something of a sacred cow -- all major political parties support it, and, given the value of existing quotas, farm groups erupt when changes are discussed. Trump called for the full dismantling of that system over 10 years.

Trudeau Taking Heat from Canadian Dairy Farmers

Why Canadian milk infuriates Donald Trump

Trudeau Takes Heat From Dairy Farmers for Opening Door to Trump

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Protecting dairy in Canada is a sacred thing - and Trudeau knows that. Trudeau is taking heat from dairy farmers for even signaling a willingness to negotiate their dairy program with the U.S.

Canada’s system of quotas and tariffs for dairy, poultry and eggs, known as supply management, is something of a sacred cow -- all major political parties support it, and, given the value of existing quotas, farm groups erupt when changes are discussed. Trump called for the full dismantling of that system over 10 years.

Trudeau Taking Heat from Canadian Dairy Farmers

Why Canadian milk infuriates Donald Trump

Trudeau Takes Heat From Dairy Farmers for Opening Door to Trump

Canada’s actions on dairy are no different than ours. In the US dairy farmers get 70% of their income from government subsidies.


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[oreo]

Protecting dairy in Canada is a sacred thing - and Trudeau knows that. Trudeau is taking heat from dairy farmers for even signaling a willingness to negotiate their dairy program with the U.S.

Canada’s system of quotas and tariffs for dairy, poultry and eggs, known as supply management, is something of a sacred cow -- all major political parties support it, and, given the value of existing quotas, farm groups erupt when changes are discussed. Trump called for the full dismantling of that system over 10 years.

Trudeau Taking Heat from Canadian Dairy Farmers

Why Canadian milk infuriates Donald Trump

Trudeau Takes Heat From Dairy Farmers for Opening Door to Trump

Canada’s actions on dairy are no different than ours. In the US dairy farmers get 70% of their income from government subsidies.


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To add to this topic Dairy Farmers were worried about Trump's immigration plan. No undocumented workers means they're probably not producing the milk they have in the past.
Dairy Farmers Say Trump's Deportations Could Dry Up Milk Supply
Dairy farmers worry about immigration rhetoric - CNNPolitics
Dairy farmers fear Trump’s immigration policies

 

[Lakhota]

I agree with Robert De Niro...

Robert De Niro Says 'F**k Trump' Twice At Tony Awards

 

[cnm]

What do I want, how about free trade,

So you don't care about trade deficits? That's Trumps complaint, yet he complains about a trade surplus in goods and services with Canada. What gives? You break with Trump on this point?

 

[OKTexas]

What do I want, how about free trade,

So you don't care about trade deficits? That's Trumps complaint, yet he complains about a trade surplus in goods and services with Canada. What gives? You break with Trump on this point?

Read the rest of the thread, that ground has already been covered.


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[cnm]

Read the rest of the thread, that ground has already been covered.

I reckon you tweeted that from 31,000 ft on the way to Singapore.

 

[Issa]

The only thing dumber than Trump is his base. Trade can only be fairly measured when including both goods and services.

Well... whatever...snowflake... you're the tiny minority anyway so... go pound sand.

The blue areas are what's good about the US. And more Americans voted against Trump..
And that's even with Hillary Running against him...imagine if Scooby ran for president vs the orange.

 

[kaz]

Apparently, in Trumpland, trade in services simply does not count, even though it’s a big part of U.S. trade. In fact, the World Trade Organizationsays that trade in services is the “most dynamic segment in world trade, growing more quickly than trade in goods.” The United States is the dominant player, a fact highlighted by the 2018 annual report of the Council of Economic Advisers, released in February and signed by the president: “Focusing only on the trade in goods alone ignores the United States’ comparative advantage in services.”

Trade in services includes, among other things, telecommunications, accounting and legal services, and tourism. It’s not perhaps as solid and shiny as steel, but it’s a real export. In 2016, the U.S. services surplus was almost $25 billion, resulting in an overall trade surplus with Canada of $12.5 billion, according to the U.S. Trade Representative. (The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis says the surplus was $7.7 billion in 2016 and nearly $2.8 billion in 2017.)

The 2018 CEA report even includes a chart showing Canada has a trade surplus.

The president frequently suggests the United States is losing money with these deficits, but countries do not “lose” money on trade deficits. A trade deficit simply means that people in one country are buying more goods from another country than people in the second country are buying from the first.

Americans want to buy these products from overseas, either because of quality or price. If Trump sparked a trade war and tariffs were increased on Canadian goods, then it would raise the cost of those products to Americans. Perhaps that would reduce American purchases of those goods, and thus reduce the trade deficit, but that would not mean the United States would “gain” money that had been lost. Meanwhile, trade deficits are also affected by macroeconomic factors, such as the relative strength of currencies, economic growth rates, and savings and investment rates.

The White House did not respond to a request to comment on why Trump consistently says the United States runs a trade deficit with Canada when official government figures show a surplus. According toour database of Trump’s false and misleading claims, he has made this false claim about Canada at least 10 times.

More: Analysis | Here’s why Trump keeps saying — wrongly — the U.S. has a trade deficit with Canada

Trump is conveniently ignoring trade in services - which gives the U.S. an overall trade "surplus" with Canada.

OMG you're stupid. Did you read your link? Apparently not. Only a leftist would be stupid enough to quote a link that says at the top of the article that it's data is misleading and explains why.

"However, the international shipment of non-U.S. goods through the United States can make standard measures of bilateral trade balances potentially misleading"

"statistics count goods coming into the U.S. customs territory from third countries and being exported to our trading partners"

 

[kaz]

I repeat from the OP:

The president frequently suggests the United States is losing money with these deficits, but countries do not “lose” money on trade deficits. A trade deficit simply means that people in one country are buying more goods from another country than people in the second country are buying from the first.

Americans want to buy these products from overseas, either because of quality or price. If Trump sparked a trade war and tariffs were increased on Canadian goods, then it would raise the cost of those products to Americans. Perhaps that would reduce American purchases of those goods, and thus reduce the trade deficit, but that would not mean the United States would “gain” money that had been lost. Meanwhile, trade deficits are also affected by macroeconomic factors, such as the relative strength of currencies, economic growth rates, and savings and investment rates.

So then why did you support tariffs until Trump took office? And why will you support them again the day he leaves?

 

[Kondor3]

The only thing dumber than Trump is his base. Trade can only be fairly measured when including both goods and services.

Well... whatever...snowflake... you're the tiny minority anyway so... go pound sand.

No... you confuse Elector selection with the Popular Vote... they're NOT a "tiny minority"... they're a HUGE part of the overall American voting population.

The problem for them is, they stand alongside Illegal Aliens and sexual deviants and inner-city riff-raff, and that disgusts the decent folks outside their voting enclaves.

 

[Kondor3]

...Blue wave coming this November 2018

Silly, silly little LibTards...

 

[peacefan]

The only thing dumber than Trump is his base. Trade can only be fairly measured when including both goods and services. There are also other factors that must be considered.

exactly. other factors matter too.
like that President Trump has to be tough *to all* on steel and aluminum which are vital ingredients to the defense industry in the US that keeps all of NATO strong.

to then get into a full-on trade war as the EU and Canada now have announced, is completely ludicrous.