Does the money you earn belong to you or the state?

[loosecannon]

The Money earned by a person's sweat equity belongs to them...period.

patently false. ALL money belongs to the US treasury and Federal Reserve. ALL money. They just let you use it and they can recall it at any time.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

or does the ownership pass to the state somewhere at some income level?

Folks keep on saying that reducing tax rates from 35 to 30 is a "giveaway" on high incomes. Since the person earned it in some fashion, how does that 5% belong to the state so that they could "give it away?"

It is your money but you belong to a society.

You live in a local community where you have to pay to support schools, police, fire, local roads....

You live in a state where you have to pay for universities, hospitals, highways, bridges, social programs..

You live in a country where you pay for the nations defense, social security, welfare...

As a member of the society you get to elect representatives who decide how those taxes get spent. If you don't like it you can elect someone else or move to a different society

Accepting that as a given... We get the representation we deserve.. I am asking about folks here and there who make the argument that reducing taxes paid by a set of folks they dislike as a "giveaway." That seems to imply that the money they earn does not really belong to them, but to society as a whole. Is that a fair argument?

 

[loosecannon]

That seems to imply that the money they earn does not really belong to them, but to society as a whole. Is that a fair argument?

concerning "money", yes it is a fair argument. Not nearly as true regarding personal property.

We have no legal right to money, we have limited legal rights to property.

 

[beowolfe]

or does the ownership pass to the state somewhere at some income level?

Folks keep on saying that reducing tax rates from 35 to 30 is a "giveaway" on high incomes. Since the person earned it in some fashion, how does that 5% belong to the state so that they could "give it away?"

Most belongs to you and a portion belongs to the state. That's the way taxes work.

 

[rightwinger]

or does the ownership pass to the state somewhere at some income level?

Folks keep on saying that reducing tax rates from 35 to 30 is a "giveaway" on high incomes. Since the person earned it in some fashion, how does that 5% belong to the state so that they could "give it away?"

It is your money but you belong to a society.

You live in a local community where you have to pay to support schools, police, fire, local roads....

You live in a state where you have to pay for universities, hospitals, highways, bridges, social programs..

You live in a country where you pay for the nations defense, social security, welfare...

As a member of the society you get to elect representatives who decide how those taxes get spent. If you don't like it you can elect someone else or move to a different society

And under what auspices of the US Constitution allowed for 'Socialist' programs.

Government is tasked with Roads, bridges, public safety (Which includes Police/Fire Rescue and safeguarding liberty).

Not much else.

The Money earned by a person's sweat equity belongs to them...period.

Funny how trying to do things for the American people is Socialism to the Conservatives. Pass laws to help business, build the military, control labor, abuse the environment and you are a good legislator.
Pass laws that help people and you are a freak'n Socialist

 

[rightwinger]

The Money earned by a person's sweat equity belongs to them...period.

No argument here The T...that money belongs to you

But in that great highway we call life....you gotta pay your tolls

 

[jreeves]

We should give 90 percent to the govt. They know how to spend our money better than we do.....
Our congressmen and leaders are very smart people and we need to give......

Yes for instance look at this worthy cause....
Turtle Tunnel
Florida is receiving 13 billion federal stimulus dollars to build roads, feed seniors, and save jobs. But 3.4 million of Florida’s cut is going to build a tunnel to help turtles cross a busy highway.

 

[Two Thumbs]

We all need to pay taxes, most of us don't in the end. Hell I made money last year off taxes.

The idea of "giving" a tax break to some one is horsefeathers. The government just desided to not take as much.

The idea of spreading the wealth is a non-starter, there will always be those that will be unhappy that someone has more, but unwilling to do the work to get more.

 

[boedicca]

It is your money but you belong to a society.

REALLY?

Please reconcile this with the concept of individual liberty.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We should give 90 percent to the govt. They know how to spend our money better than we do.....
Our congressmen and leaders are very smart people and we need to give......

Yes for instance look at this worthy cause....
Turtle Tunnel
Florida is receiving 13 billion federal stimulus dollars to build roads, feed seniors, and save jobs. But 3.4 million of Florida’s cut is going to build a tunnel to help turtles cross a busy highway.

Yeah, I saw that a few weeks ago. That's pitiful.

 

[froggy]

The Gov't thinks its theirs they keep taking all they can get of it.

 

[jreeves]

We should give 90 percent to the govt. They know how to spend our money better than we do.....
Our congressmen and leaders are very smart people and we need to give......

Yes for instance look at this worthy cause....
Turtle Tunnel
Florida is receiving 13 billion federal stimulus dollars to build roads, feed seniors, and save jobs. But 3.4 million of Florida’s cut is going to build a tunnel to help turtles cross a busy highway.

Yeah, I saw that a few weeks ago. That's pitiful.

You can now understand why Obama needs more money for infrastructure now...think about all those poor turtles

 

[The Infidel]

Funny how trying to do things for the American people is Socialism to the Conservatives. Pass laws to help business, build the military, control labor, abuse the environment and you are a good legislator.
Pass laws that help people and you are a freak'n Socialist

Im a conservative and I love helping people.... I love helping them help themselves also, and taking my hard earned money and just giving it to every Tom, Dick, and Harry... Oh and Jose too.... and usually Jose is not EVEN supposed to be here in the 1st place.
But I digress..... The money I earn is mine, and throwing money at the problems is obviously not helping. How much more money is it going to take to fix stupid?


The legislators who are for making bigger gov't with my money are the ones I have a problem with.

I want to be left alone.... let me live my life.

 

[The Infidel]

Yes for instance look at this worthy cause....
Turtle Tunnel
Florida is receiving 13 billion federal stimulus dollars to build roads, feed seniors, and save jobs. But 3.4 million of Florida’s cut is going to build a tunnel to help turtles cross a busy highway.

Yeah, I saw that a few weeks ago. That's pitiful.

You can now understand why Obama needs more money for infrastructure now...think about all those poor turtles

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The money I earn belongs to me... the state just thinks its theirs.

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nope, the money itself belongs to Caesar. If you buy property with it you have limited rights to that property, but the money itself is on loan, not lease, and not for sale.

Which is why it is illegal to fuck up a nickel even if it is "yours".

What if everybody in the private sector stopped working where does the government get it's money?
Sorry but my money is my money.

I tell you what you need to do if you think the government owns everybody's money pay my share to.

 

[jreeves]

The money I earn belongs to me... the state just thinks its theirs.

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nope, the money itself belongs to Caesar. If you buy property with it you have limited rights to that property, but the money itself is on loan, not lease, and not for sale.

Which is why it is illegal to fuck up a nickel even if it is "yours".

What if everybody in the private sector stopped working where does the government get it's money?
Sorry but my money is my money.

I tell you what you need to do if you think the government owns everybody's money pay my share to.

That's the main problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money to spend.

 

[Dr.House]

It is your money but you belong to a society.

You live in a local community where you have to pay to support schools, police, fire, local roads....

You live in a state where you have to pay for universities, hospitals, highways, bridges, social programs..

You live in a country where you pay for the nations defense, social security, welfare...

As a member of the society you get to elect representatives who decide how those taxes get spent. If you don't like it you can elect someone else or move to a different society

And under what auspices of the US Constitution allowed for 'Socialist' programs.

Government is tasked with Roads, bridges, public safety (Which includes Police/Fire Rescue and safeguarding liberty).

Not much else.

The Money earned by a person's sweat equity belongs to them...period.

Funny how trying to do things for the American people is Socialism to the Conservatives. Pass laws to help business, build the military, control labor, abuse the environment and you are a good legislator.
Pass laws that help people and you are a freak'n Socialist

Charaties, non-profits exist to "help people". Plus churches and other religious organizations...

I would love to afford to donate more of my money to these organizations. Why should we let Daddy Gubmint, the most inefficient and corrupt organization in the country, control what is essentially charitable giving?

Too many greedy paws in big gubmint... Non-profits know how to stretch a buck... I'm not saying there's no corruption in NP's, but compared to Uncle Same? Puh-leeze...

It's a fact that less overhead means more goes to those who need it...

 

[rightwinger]

Just because charities help people the Government is not allowed to?

Where did you dig up that nonsense?

 

[rightwinger]

And under what auspices of the US Constitution allowed for 'Socialist' programs.

Government is tasked with Roads, bridges, public safety (Which includes Police/Fire Rescue and safeguarding liberty).

Not much else.

The Money earned by a person's sweat equity belongs to them...period.

Funny how trying to do things for the American people is Socialism to the Conservatives. Pass laws to help business, build the military, control labor, abuse the environment and you are a good legislator.
Pass laws that help people and you are a freak'n Socialist

Charaties, non-profits exist to "help people". Plus churches and other religious organizations...

I would love to afford to donate more of my money to these organizations. Why should we let Daddy Gubmint, the most inefficient and corrupt organization in the country, control what is essentially charitable giving?

Too many greedy paws in big gubmint... Non-profits know how to stretch a buck... I'm not saying there's no corruption in NP's, but compared to Uncle Same? Puh-leeze...

It's a fact that less overhead means more goes to those who need it...

Less overhead? Have you seen what executives at those "Non-profits" make???

 

[rightwinger]

It is your money but you belong to a society.

REALLY?

Please reconcile this with the concept of individual liberty.

Individual liberty to not pay taxes?

Take it up with the IRS....they will laugh at you too