Does Obama have a "real" jobs plan or just more govt spending?

[Avorysuds]

Do you think they're picky about what they do?

Answer the fucking question...

Switch to decaf!

The easy answer here is they should build stuff! High speed rail! Windmills! Nuclear power plants! Re-do every public school in the country! Yes, I know you think all that is "Socialism", but it would also put a lot of Americans to work. Right now. And, you can't outsource the windmill workers. They have to be here to run it and repair it in the future. That's a long term job, even if you don't agree. Hell, the government could sell the windmills to private companies even. That's fine!

Conservatives think in such small terms.

Wow, that's your idea huh? People are just marbles that you move around...?

Where do you plan on building these wind mills and power plants... Where do these high speed train tacks go... Now how the fuck do you move a million people around to do these jobs and more over out of these millions of people how many of them should be building nukular power plants, high speed trains and wind mills? Also where do you get all the money to build all of that?

So answer the fucking question in any kind of depth now.

Come up with a business plan for us. we'll need to know a few things like....

Cost of moving people

Management

Payroll

Training

Vehicles

Equipment

The cost of wind mill parts

The cost of high speed train parts

The cost of Nukular power plants parts

Permits

Design (Or maybe you thought you just make up all this shit as you go along with no plans???? LOL)


So more or less your "ideas" would take 5-10 years just to start but "it's easy" LOL don't be fucking stupid DBS.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Employers demand for employees is down because of Obamacare.

Employers would hire more if they weren't spending so much money on the paperwork required by ridiculous regulations.

Translation: Companies aren't hiring.

Utterly false.

Stop listening to Fox News.

Stop displaying irrational hate.

 

[Avorysuds]

Employers demand for employees is down because of Obamacare.

Employers would hire more if they weren't spending so much money on the paperwork required by ridiculous regulations.

Translation: Companies aren't hiring.

Utterly false.

Stop listening to Fox News.

Stop displaying irrational hate.

The guy is a fucking moron... He would spend all of his stimulus money before he ever manages to put any real amount ofpeople to work.

 

[Mustang]

I can't believe that he hasn't released the details of his plan to the public. If he really had a legit plan wouldn't he want it known now so the public has time to put pressure on their congressmen while they are home visiting the people they represent?

On the contrary, I don't think his plan is anything more than stimulus and taxes. Neither of which will work any better than his last failed stimulus. This man is completely clueless.

Conservatives are funny (not the ha ha kind of funny). They want the gov't to do something about jobs, but they don't want gov't to spend any money in the process because that would just be more gov't spending.

Joseph Heller would be impressed.

Your economics teacher sure isn't impressed.

Govt spurs job growth or lack there of through legislation not spending.

Let's test that theory, shall we?

You have the Republican House pass a bill (which Obama would sign into law) to legislate full employment. Let's see what that will do.

I'll have Obama pass a spending bill to build hydroelectric dams, and an integrated network of wind farms to not only produce cheap (and green) electricity, but to also reduce our dependence on polluting fossil fuels.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Employers demand for employees is down because of Obamacare.

Employers would hire more if they weren't spending so much money on the paperwork required by ridiculous regulations.

Translation: Companies aren't hiring.

Utterly false.

Stop listening to Fox News.

Companies are hiring?
Excellent!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Socialists/Progressives & Neocons don't have the answers. Only true Conservatives can save this Nation now.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Conservatives are funny (not the ha ha kind of funny). They want the gov't to do something about jobs, but they don't want gov't to spend any money in the process because that would just be more gov't spending.

Joseph Heller would be impressed.

Your economics teacher sure isn't impressed.

Govt spurs job growth or lack there of through legislation not spending.

Let's test that theory, shall we?

You have the Republican House pass a bill (which Obama would sign into law) to legislate full employment. Let's see what that will do.

I'll have Obama pass a spending bill to build hydroelectric dams, and an integrated network of wind farms to not only produce cheap (and green) electricity, but to also reduce our dependence on polluting fossil fuels.

This may come as a shock to you but......WE'RE BROKE.

You may now stick your head back in the sand.

 

[Jarhead]

Employers demand for employees is down because of Obamacare.

Employers would hire more if they weren't spending so much money on the paperwork required by ridiculous regulations.

Translation: Companies aren't hiring.

Utterly false.

Stop listening to Fox News.

Uh...hello....business panner/recruiter/human resources solutions person here....

Not false.

100% accurate.

Companies have 2 isues they are trying to evaluate for second quater 2012...

Demand
Operating costs per unit sold

Demand is always a tough number to determine...especially during a recession and the first several quarters of a recovery.

But this time around, operating costs per unit sold is an even tougher figure to calculate and forecast...and, of course, helathcare is part of the reason....cap and trade threats is another...and, of course, muliple regulations that are continually being implemented with little press about them being a major issue.

Many of our clients are otping to do the smartest, yet least productive thing they can do...become reactive to the economy....not proactive.

When you are reactive, you jeopardize your position in the market, but you will likely stay alive.

When you are proactive without any certainty of operating costs, you jeopardize your fiscal health...and quite possibly lose the gamble and your company.

So no...it is not false. And it has nothng to do with Fox News.

 

[Mustang]

Yes, we want the government to do something about jobs.
We want government to stop ruining the companies that create jobs.
Repeal Obamacare. Repeal Dodd-Frank.
Eliminate half the ridiculous regulations currently on the books.
That doesn't require spending any money and would create more jobs than anything else Obama could do by wasting another $1 trillion.

Got the talking points down, I see. Good for you.

Do you want to know what the real problem is as far as job creation is concerned? Demand is down. You've heard of demand, right? Like in supply and demand?

Translation: People aren't spending.

And why is demand down?

Maybe because people don't have jobs or are afraid they may lose the ones they have?

Jesus, stupidity abounds.

You're the one who didn't seem to get it.

Now, do you suppose you could get those high school graduate pseudoeconomist conservative talk radio hosts like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck to stop constantly talking down the economy which only serves to ratchet up the fear level in their listeners? I ask because it their constant drumbeat of fear only manages to be counterproductive to an economic recovery when people don't feel confident enough to spend any money seeing as how our whole economy is based on consumer spending.

 

[kwc57]

I can't believe that he hasn't released the details of his plan to the public. If he really had a legit plan wouldn't he want it known now so the public has time to put pressure on their congressmen while they are home visiting the people they represent?

On the contrary, I don't think his plan is anything more than stimulus and taxes. Neither of which will work any better than his last failed stimulus. This man is completely clueless.

Conservatives are funny (not the ha ha kind of funny). They want the gov't to do something about jobs, but they don't want gov't to spend any money in the process because that would just be more gov't spending.

Joseph Heller would be impressed.

NO, they don't want the government to do anything about jobs. They want the government to get out of the way of business so they can afford to provide jobs.

 

[Jarhead]

Conservatives are funny (not the ha ha kind of funny). They want the gov't to do something about jobs, but they don't want gov't to spend any money in the process because that would just be more gov't spending.

Joseph Heller would be impressed.

Your economics teacher sure isn't impressed.

Govt spurs job growth or lack there of through legislation not spending.

Let's test that theory, shall we?

You have the Republican House pass a bill (which Obama would sign into law) to legislate full employment. Let's see what that will do.

I'll have Obama pass a spending bill to build hydroelectric dams, and an integrated network of wind farms to not only produce cheap (and green) electricity, but to also reduce our dependence on polluting fossil fuels.

OK...we do that.

And the Obama spending bill fails....now what?

The republican house bill fails, wew try somethig ELSE that doesnt cost money.

The Obama spending bill fails, we are in even deeper doo doo than we were before we did it.

Curious......a man loses all he has gambling...and he now gets welfare...

Would you suggest he try to get a job to help him with his financial problems...or would you suggest he take that welfare and gamble to try to make his money grow?

 

[kwc57]

Do you think they're picky about what they do?

Answer the fucking question...

Switch to decaf!

The easy answer here is they should build stuff! High speed rail! Windmills! Nuclear power plants! Re-do every public school in the country! Yes, I know you think all that is "Socialism", but it would also put a lot of Americans to work. Right now. And, you can't outsource the windmill workers. They have to be here to run it and repair it in the future. That's a long term job, even if you don't agree. Hell, the government could sell the windmills to private companies even. That's fine!

Conservatives think in such small terms.

Ah yes, spend your way to prosperiety! Does money magically appear in your bank account when you blow money on things you don't need?

 

[Mustang]

Your economics teacher sure isn't impressed.

Govt spurs job growth or lack there of through legislation not spending.

Let's test that theory, shall we?

You have the Republican House pass a bill (which Obama would sign into law) to legislate full employment. Let's see what that will do.

I'll have Obama pass a spending bill to build hydroelectric dams, and an integrated network of wind farms to not only produce cheap (and green) electricity, but to also reduce our dependence on polluting fossil fuels.

This may come as a shock to you but......WE'RE BROKE.

You may now stick your head back in the sand.

We're not broke. We just have to choose our spending priorities. Investing in infrastructure for the future which will reap benefits for decades that will outweigh the cost is not wasteful spending.

For example, converting American automobiles to hybrids or electric will help get us off foreign oil. That means that we would no longer be sending 100s of billions of American dollars to countries like Saudi Arabia. Reduced demand would also serve to help lower the price of oil, as well.

We've got to invest in the future, or we will be left behind.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Got the talking points down, I see. Good for you.

Do you want to know what the real problem is as far as job creation is concerned? Demand is down. You've heard of demand, right? Like in supply and demand?

Translation: People aren't spending.

And why is demand down?

Maybe because people don't have jobs or are afraid they may lose the ones they have?

Jesus, stupidity abounds.

You're the one who didn't seem to get it.

Now, do you suppose you could get those high school graduate pseudoeconomist conservative talk radio hosts like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck to stop constantly talking down the economy which only serves to ratchet up the fear level in their listeners? I ask because it their constant drumbeat of fear only manages to be counterproductive to an economic recovery when people don't feel confident enough to spend any money seeing as how our whole economy is based on consumer spending.

My business is down dramatically and you seem to think all my customers are ditto heads? Your really not here with us in the real world are you?

YOUR JUST AN IDIOT WHO WILL PLACE BLAME ANYWHERE BUT ON OBAMA

He has options, he just chooses not to do them for ideological reasons.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Answer the fucking question...

Switch to decaf!

The easy answer here is they should build stuff! High speed rail! Windmills! Nuclear power plants! Re-do every public school in the country! Yes, I know you think all that is "Socialism", but it would also put a lot of Americans to work. Right now. And, you can't outsource the windmill workers. They have to be here to run it and repair it in the future. That's a long term job, even if you don't agree. Hell, the government could sell the windmills to private companies even. That's fine!

Conservatives think in such small terms.

Wow, that's your idea huh? People are just marbles that you move around...?

Where do you plan on building these wind mills and power plants... Where do these high speed train tacks go... Now how the fuck do you move a million people around to do these jobs and more over out of these millions of people how many of them should be building nukular power plants, high speed trains and wind mills? Also where do you get all the money to build all of that?

So answer the fucking question in any kind of depth now.

Come up with a business plan for us. we'll need to know a few things like....

Cost of moving people

Management

Payroll

Training

Vehicles

Equipment

The cost of wind mill parts

The cost of high speed train parts

The cost of Nukular power plants parts

Permits

Design (Or maybe you thought you just make up all this shit as you go along with no plans???? LOL)


So more or less your "ideas" would take 5-10 years just to start but "it's easy" LOL don't be fucking stupid DBS.

Wow. You're a cowardly little person aren't you? You ask for ideas and I give you proven ideas and then you attack and insult me because I didn't include a 10-year business projection. How dishonest is that?

Every major city in this country has high unemployment. Every major city has schools in desperate need of repair. We could go to a city tomorrow, find a school and hand the mayor a check to cover repairs. If he doesn't spend it on repairs, we take it back. Simple. I guarantee he could have workers working within the week.

Seriously, being angry and pissy with those who think differently than you is not what we need right now.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Let's test that theory, shall we?

You have the Republican House pass a bill (which Obama would sign into law) to legislate full employment. Let's see what that will do.

I'll have Obama pass a spending bill to build hydroelectric dams, and an integrated network of wind farms to not only produce cheap (and green) electricity, but to also reduce our dependence on polluting fossil fuels.

This may come as a shock to you but......WE'RE BROKE.

You may now stick your head back in the sand.

We're not broke. We just have to choose our spending priorities. Investing in infrastructure for the future which will reap benefits for decades that will outweigh the cost is not wasteful spending.

For example, converting American automobiles to hybrids or electric will help get us off foreign oil. That means that we would no longer be sending 100s of billions of American dollars to countries like Saudi Arabia. Reduced demand would also serve to help lower the price of oil, as well.

We've got to invest in the future, or we will be left behind.

You say were not broke?!? Really?

Well you and I are done talking.

Welcome to my Sig fool

 

[DontBeStupid]

Socialists/Progressives & Neocons don't have the answers. Only true Conservatives can save this Nation now.

Funniest thing I have read all week.

 

[kwc57]

Switch to decaf!

The easy answer here is they should build stuff! High speed rail! Windmills! Nuclear power plants! Re-do every public school in the country! Yes, I know you think all that is "Socialism", but it would also put a lot of Americans to work. Right now. And, you can't outsource the windmill workers. They have to be here to run it and repair it in the future. That's a long term job, even if you don't agree. Hell, the government could sell the windmills to private companies even. That's fine!

Conservatives think in such small terms.

Wow, that's your idea huh? People are just marbles that you move around...?

Where do you plan on building these wind mills and power plants... Where do these high speed train tacks go... Now how the fuck do you move a million people around to do these jobs and more over out of these millions of people how many of them should be building nukular power plants, high speed trains and wind mills? Also where do you get all the money to build all of that?

So answer the fucking question in any kind of depth now.

Come up with a business plan for us. we'll need to know a few things like....

Cost of moving people

Management

Payroll

Training

Vehicles

Equipment

The cost of wind mill parts

The cost of high speed train parts

The cost of Nukular power plants parts

Permits

Design (Or maybe you thought you just make up all this shit as you go along with no plans???? LOL)


So more or less your "ideas" would take 5-10 years just to start but "it's easy" LOL don't be fucking stupid DBS.

Wow. You're a cowardly little person aren't you? You ask for ideas and I give you proven ideas and then you attack and insult me because I didn't include a 10-year business projection. How dishonest is that?

Every major city in this country has high unemployment. Every major city has schools in desperate need of repair. We could go to a city tomorrow, find a school and hand the mayor a check to cover repairs. If he doesn't spend it on repairs, we take it back. Simple. I guarantee he could have workers working within the week.

Seriously, being angry and pissy with those who think differently than you is not what we need right now.

Where does this magic money come from? You do realize that we currently borrow 40 cents on every tax dollar from China to finance the gubmint as it currently stands don't you? Are you going to borrow even more money or just tax the working folks even more?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Socialists/Progressives & Neocons don't have the answers. Only true Conservatives can save this Nation now.

Funniest thing I have read all week.

How so? I think it's funnier and pretty stupid to think the Socialists/Progressives & Neocons do have the answers.

 

[boedicca]

The Socialists / Progressives answers turned this into the Worst Recovery Ever.

In addition to More Spending, Obama will advocate for higher taxes on millionaire/billionaires, with 90% of those affected being neither millionaires of billionaires, but simply thousandaires.