Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

[GreatestIam]

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.

God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

Dwindling In Unbelief God slowly killed David s baby boy to punish David for adultery

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

 

[Roadrunner]

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.

God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

Dwindling In Unbelief God slowly killed David s baby boy to punish David for adultery

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

Only in hindsight.

; - (

 

[Luddly Neddite]

God loves to torture children. Its pretty much his best thing but I can't watch vids so can you give a synopsis?

 

[GreatestIam]

God loves to torture children. Its pretty much his best thing but I can't watch vids so can you give a synopsis?

It is a movie called God on Trial showing Jews in a concentration camp waiting to die. While waiting they put God on trial and find him guilty of atrocities and of breaking his covenant. It later shows them praying as they march to the ovens. I cannot give it justice with my words but the depth of the psychology and religious insight is quite thought provoking.

A shame you cannot view the short clip or the full movie.

Regards
DL

 

[Anonymous1977]

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.

God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

Dwindling In Unbelief God slowly killed David s baby boy to punish David for adultery

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

Also in Islam "Allah" says that it's OK to kill a child if his/her parents are "people of faith" and one "fears" that the child will be "rebellious, obstinate, and ungrateful." Qur'an 18:74-80, Yusuf Ali translation:

"(74)Then [Khidr and Moses] proceeded:
Until, when they met
A young man, [Khidr] slew him.
Moses said: 'Hast thou
Slain an innocent person
Who has slain none?
Truly a foul (unheard-of) thing
Hast thou done!'...
(80)[Khidr answered:] 'As for the youth,
His parents were people
Of Faith, and we feared
That he would grieve them
By obstinate rebellion
And ingratitude (to Allah and man).'"

Khidr in Qur'an 18 was a "servant of Allah" whom Moses followed.

 

[GreatestIam]

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.

God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

Dwindling In Unbelief God slowly killed David s baby boy to punish David for adultery

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

Also in Islam "Allah" says that it's OK to kill a child if his/her parents are "people of faith" and one "fears" that the child will be "rebellious, obstinate, and ungrateful." Qur'an 18:74-80, Yusuf Ali translation:

"(74)Then [Khidr and Moses] proceeded:
Until, when they met
A young man, [Khidr] slew him.
Moses said: 'Hast thou
Slain an innocent person
Who has slain none?
Truly a foul (unheard-of) thing
Hast thou done!'...
(80)[Khidr answered:] 'As for the youth,
His parents were people
Of Faith, and we feared
That he would grieve them
By obstinate rebellion
And ingratitude (to Allah and man).'"

Khidr in Qur'an 18 was a "servant of Allah" whom Moses followed.

Way too close to Christianity and their immoral directives.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Leviticus 20:9
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.

Regards
DL

 

[Zander]

Litera gesta docet, Quid credas allegoria,

Moralis quid agas, Quo tendas anagogia

 

[Anonymous1977]

Way too close to Christianity and their immoral directives.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Leviticus 20:9
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.

Regards
DL

Actually Deut. 21:18-21 is different from Qur'an 18:74-80 in that Deut.'s death sentence is for repeated displays of obstinacy and disobedience though disciplined and admonished to behave properly.

Islam's story just says that if one "fears" obstinacy, rebellion, and ingratitude the child may be murdered...

 

[GreatestIam]

Litera gesta docet, Quid credas allegoria,

Moralis quid agas, Quo tendas anagogia

All lies.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Way too close to Christianity and their immoral directives.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Leviticus 20:9
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.

Regards
DL

Actually Deut. 21:18-21 is different from Qur'an 18:74-80 in that Deut.'s death sentence is for repeated displays of obstinacy and disobedience though disciplined and admonished to behave properly.

Islam's story just says that if one "fears" obstinacy, rebellion, and ingratitude the child may be murdered...

Got it.

One is insane and the other is really insane.

Regards
DL

 

[Anonymous1977]

Got it.

One is insane and the other is really insane.

Regards
DL

I'm an unbeliever but actually one is based on demonstrated evil and the other is just based on "fear" of possibly doing evil.

 

[MaryL]

God loves to torture children. Its pretty much his best thing but I can't watch vids so can you give a synopsis?

It's the eternal question, how does a loving god allow evil in the world? Free will and human frailty, that's the answer. Accept that this is a red herring The guy that created everything can't stop evil because...? Things just happen at random, there is no divine will, because if there WAS a devine creator, it would only prove God is one sick bastard.

 

[GreatestIam]

Got it.

One is insane and the other is really insane.

Regards
DL

I'm an unbeliever but actually one is based on demonstrated evil and the other is just based on "fear" of possibly doing evil.

I was not arguing against you my friend.

I was just saying it my way and adding a bit of opinion.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

God loves to torture children. Its pretty much his best thing but I can't watch vids so can you give a synopsis?

It's the eternal question, how does a loving god allow evil in the world? Free will and human frailty, that's the answer. Accept that this is a red herring The guy that created everything can't stop evil because...? Things just happen at random, there is no divine will, because if there WAS a devine creator, it would only prove God is one sick bastard.

I agree.

I have a thing on evil in the works. Care to pre-view and opine on the logic?

Why do people think evil to be a problem when it is good?

Evil here I define as a premeditated action against another.

IOW. People to people evil. Not natural or inadvertent evil from non-conscious sources.

As evolving creatures, all people do constantly is either compete or cooperate with each other.

People to people evil only occurs when people are competing for resources or the goods of others.

If we were to somehow eliminate the miniscule amount of evil in the world, man’s evolution would stall and we would likely go extinct as we collectively would no longer be striving to produce the fittest of our species. It seems that competition makes us strong and not competing would make us weak.

That makes the minute amount of evil we see in people to people competition, --- a good thing, --- because if we ever eliminated it, the greater evil of our extinction would come to pass.

In this sense, humanity is best served by embracing the minute amount of evils we produce by our competing.

Do you agree?

If not, please show how we can take competition out of our evolution and how we would not weaken our species to the point of extinction.

Regards
DL

 

[Thunderbird]

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

You bring up the Old Testament so I guess you don't like Judaism.

The OT contains some primitive ideas about God along with profundity. For Christians of course Jesus' teachings (mercy, kindness, human dignity) are paramount.

Maybe you should ask people on the left about torturing babies to death: Doctors on Fetal Pain

 

[GreatestIam]

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

You bring up the Old Testament so I guess you don't like Judaism.

The OT contains some primitive ideas about God along with profundity. For Christians of course Jesus' teachings (mercy, kindness, human dignity) are paramount.

Maybe you should ask people on the left about torturing babies to death: Doctors on Fetal Pain

Perhaps you should wonder why so many so called Christians in the U.S. are using abortion clinics as birth control.

Why do you try to say that the Jesus is somehow divorced from the Trinity? Is Jesus not a 1/3 of the old testament God?

Was Jesus not a part of who was torturing and killing those babies?

Regards
DL