Do you believe that you are saved or that you need saving?

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    Do you believe that you are saved or that you need saving?

    Most religions claim that we have all been condemned by God for some reason or another, and that faith in a certain God or his revealed religion must be adhered to to gain salvation. Most religions say that you cannot save yourself without their help.

    Have you been condemned? Was it a just condemnation? What evil did you do to gain that condemnation? Have you been saved from it by your own efforts of the efforts of someone else?

    Could you not do it on your own and did you need to pay cash the way religions tell you is required?

    I show the poor thinking of religions and their adherents with this Protestant against Catholic view, but as stated, this issue applies to all religions.



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    I see you one day becoming a Priest
     
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    I am not a good enough liar.



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    You don’t understand most religions. How can you? You are a secular humanist.
     
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    I agree. You are not a good liar. Just a liar.
     
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    Salvation is both the “hook” and the threat that is used by Christianity to entice converts and to threaten the believers, respectively.

    Promises of eternal life and threats of eternal damnation for not believing are powerful motivators. Considering how much christianity has to lose without such coercive threats, it’s not surprising how angry and fearful the true believers ge5 when challenged with such facts as an ancient planet and a far more ancient universe. An ancient planet being true largely confirms evolution being true which in turn means there was no biblical Adam and Eve, magic snakes and fruit theft. No Adam and Eve means there is no original sin. No original sin negates any need for salvation. No need for salvation means there is no need for Heyzeus H. Christ or Christianity. This is why the fundies fight tooth and nail, using any means necessary to protect their dogma.
     
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    religion is man made...man makes it all up = no god/etc
     
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    Meriweather Not all who wander are lost

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    That is one way of looking at it, which is the path to atheism. People who took their eyes off God and following His ways of the soul/spirit to count beans (so-to-speak) are going to get lost among the stars if they don't start out by getting lost on the mountains or in the canyons here on earth. Of course, those who chose God for His "magic" qualities were already lost.

    "Eternal" isn't just a word for timeless. "Eternal" also means enduring--what works and keeps on working throughout time whether our own existence continues here on earth or not. How can we live, how can we treat others, so that our own life keeps on enduring long after we have passed...

    Scripture is truth, and many of these truths are presented in story form. Wander away from the truth in a story and you will end up following (or looking for) a talking snake or a donkey. How will either help anyone live an Eternal life, whether that definition is something that endures, or something that is timeless?

    If all anyone sees in scripture--if all anyone is taught in Church, Temple, Synagogue--is reward and damnation, they need to approach scripture from a different angle, and perhaps explore other places. I know for a fact that neither Catholicism nor Judaism spends much time on either rewards or damnation--but rather how to live a life that is pleasing not only to God, but to others. If these two major denominations are pointing in this direction it is hard for me to believe that the majority of what is left are not also doing much the same.
     
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