Do You Believe All ''Men'' Are Created Equal?

[xÞx]

I assert the accurate question would be did all human primates evolve to be equal?

The straight answer if fuck no.

That is why we, like other primates are subject to dominance hierarchies, and no matter what form of government, fascist, communist, socialist, anarchistic, corporate, democratic, one finds dominance hierarchies.

Why?

Because I keep telling you people despite our nice constitutions and philosophical pretensions, we are really not that far down from the trees.

Hell, I prefer the view up there.

You are free to assert all you want, but in this thread, my assertion would be the correct one.

That's your impartial conclusion, of course

 

[xÞx]

The idea behind the statement isn't that we are all cut from the same cloth but that we ought all to be treated the same in terms of justice.

Define:justice

 

[xÞx]

You are free to assert all you want, but in this thread, my assertion would be the correct one.

The road to delusion is straight, no turns, bumps or car wrecks.

But there are speed limits.

And those Limits as crafted by the Founders were pointed at Government, rather than the PEOPLE. Agreed?

The people are the government

 

[xÞx]

Sorry justice has nothing to do with protecting the weak merely punishing the guilty. If you spend too much time protecting the weak they never become strong.

The guilty are 'punished' to dissuade them form acting against the weak. Law (like many forms of government) is an attempt by the weak to act as a collective to defend themselves against the strong.

 

[xÞx]

You all read too much into this.....this is the reason why this country is so fucked up right now.

"All men are created equal" Let's look at this. The way I read this is that all men have the same opportunity as the person next to them regardless of social standing.

It's up to you to make your own opportunities in life and realize your own interpretation of the American dream.

Idealist bullshit. The poor man in the ghetto does not get to buy a degree and inherent the presidency like a Kennedy or a Bush.

 

[xÞx]

All men are created equal, not of outcome but of opportunity.

Really?

The mermaid girl has as much opportunity as George W. Bush?

 

[bodecea]

Never claimed it did. And the The preamble to the constitution gives you the right to pursue happiness. It does not guarantee that you will ever catch it

Where does the Preamble of the Constitution give you that right?

 

[xÞx]

not better than but also not equal to, I am not equal to a rockefeller or any other wealthy type person, they have doors open to them that are simply not open to me, and the bible and the constitution may state all men are created equal but both condoned slavery at the time they were written so the statement in both were hypocritical at best.

LOL

There has been slavery since the beginning of man. Is it wrong? Of course. But that has NOTHING to do with this thread.
Strawman at best.

how is it a straw man?, and how can people that condoned slavery make a statement stating all men are created equal? were'nt slaves also part of mankind?

Not in the minds of those in question.

 

[bodecea]

The problem I have with the leftist take on this is that it is the morale equivalent of insisting that since one person in a million is born without a foot that in order to make thing even we should cut off one foot from everyone.

Really? Can you show that in the Leftist Manifesto?

 

[xÞx]

LOL

There has been slavery since the beginning of man. Is it wrong? Of course. But that has NOTHING to do with this thread.
Strawman at best.

how is it a straw man?, and how can people that condoned slavery make a statement stating all men are created equal? were'nt slaves also part of mankind?

From the very beginning of mankind. There have always been slaves of some sort, and always will be.
Do I think it is wrong? Yes. THAT is one reason I believe all are created equal.

Really? Or do you think it's wrong because you think we're 'created equal'?

 

[bodecea]

are all men created equal? no,some are gifted with talents unattainable by others, some are born with advantages others are not, a person may love basketball and put their whole heart and effort into the game but if they are only 4 foot 8 they have not been created equal to the task as a 6 foot 9 guy would be.

interesting thing about the founders and the all men are created equal thing, many of the founders who put forth that sentiment were slave owners, so it looks like they didnt exactly buy into that idea.

So we bring the Imperial FED in to make them all 'Equal',at the point of LAW and the GUN, eh noosey? Because we don't like it?

Interesting that you don't understand that the ONLY way the Founders could get this passed was to bow down to SLAVE OWNERS, lest the suppoort would be lost to beat King George, and Great Britian?

And it did go on 7 years AFTER we nailed the Brits on the battlefield before the Constitution was ratified.

I'll BET that bit of history is lost upon you, isn't it?

Personally touchy about the slave issue. Interesting.

 

[xÞx]

OOPS..I don't see in the Constitution where it says ''All men are created equal''.

U.S. CONSTITUTION

It was incorporated here:

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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Does it say 'retained equally'?

No?

 

[saveliberty]

They are not created equal by God, or treated equally under the law.

Proof:

1. We add extra penalities for "hating" along with the crime.
2. Since justice is expensive, there is a two-tiered system in place.
3. We have entitlement laws in place to help the unequal parties. ie education.
4. As a society we over compensate physical abilities and under compensate the
mental.

 

[Contumacious]

OOPS..I don't see in the Constitution where it says ''All men are created equal''.

U.S. CONSTITUTION

It was incorporated here:

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

.

Does it say 'retained equally'?

No?

The federal government was NEVER authorized to treat people differently. Equal Treatment under the law.

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States:

Article 1, Section 9, Cl 8

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[Kat]

If this has been posted here, forgive me. If not yft. I have posted this poll other places, and was a bit stunned with the replies.

So, Do you believe all ''men'' are created equal? Whatever your answer, please explain..

People are not born equal in mind, body, or circumstance. Equality is the dream of the inferior (EG: the poor wish to be equal with the rich and I wish i were of equal physical fitness to a bodybuiler).

So you believe that some are created as ''better'' than others? How so? Who decides which is the better? Understand this thread is NOT talking about what we want and what we wish.

 

[Kat]

I assert the accurate question would be did all human primates evolve to be equal?

The straight answer if fuck no.

That is why we, like other primates are subject to dominance hierarchies, and no matter what form of government, fascist, communist, socialist, anarchistic, corporate, democratic, one finds dominance hierarchies.

Why?

Because I keep telling you people despite our nice constitutions and philosophical pretensions, we are really not that far down from the trees.

Hell, I prefer the view up there.

You are free to assert all you want, but in this thread, my assertion would be the correct one.

That's your impartial conclusion, of course

Naw that was a joke.

 

[Kat]

All men are created equal, not of outcome but of opportunity.

Really?

The mermaid girl has as much opportunity as George W. Bush?

So you believe that Bush was a better human being than the mermaid girl?

As said so many times before..this is about man being created equal as a human being. NOT opportunity.

 

[Kat]

how is it a straw man?, and how can people that condoned slavery make a statement stating all men are created equal? were'nt slaves also part of mankind?

From the very beginning of mankind. There have always been slaves of some sort, and always will be.
Do I think it is wrong? Yes. THAT is one reason I believe all are created equal.

Really? Or do you think it's wrong because you think we're 'created equal'?

Same difference.

 

[Kat]

We're talking creation here. Theology. The study of Theo.

LOL Naw. Just wondering what people think...so waht do you think. Are all men created equal?

Define:equal

Already did. You miss it? Equal would be we are the same. No human is better or worse than the next.

 

[xÞx]

It was incorporated here:

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

.

Does it say 'retained equally'?

No?

The federal government was NEVER authorized to treat people differently. Equal Treatment under the law.

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States:

Article 1, Section 9, Cl 8

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Fail. You quoted the wrong part, dude.