Do the poor earn their income?

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    Considering all the hubbub over the "rich" not paying their fair share or earning their income.

    It begs a better question: Do the the poor earn their income?


    The working poor are obviously working very hard to earn their incomes but in the same breath pay no federal income tax.

    Then there are the poor who do not work and do nothing but receive entitlements and aid for a living. Do these poor "earn" their income?
     
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    not imho but they can riot and create street sweeping jobs;)
     
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    in all seriousness, I think this is worth a look;

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    The riots are the apotheosis of the welfare state and popular culture in their British form. A population thinks (because it has often been told so by intellectuals and the political class) that it is entitled to a high standard of consumption, irrespective of its personal efforts; and therefore it regards the fact that it does not receive that high standard, by comparison with the rest of society, as a sign of injustice. It believes itself deprived (because it has often been told so by intellectuals and the political class), even though each member of it has received an education costing $80,000, toward which neither he nor—quite likely—any member of his family has made much of a contribution; indeed, he may well have lived his entire life at others’ expense, such that every mouthful of food he has ever eaten, every shirt he has ever worn, every television he has ever watched, has been provided by others. Even if he were to recognize this, he would not be grateful, for dependency does not promote gratitude. On the contrary, he would simply feel that the subventions were not sufficient to allow him to live as he would have liked.

    At the same time, his expensive education will have equipped him for nothing. His labor, even supposing that he were inclined to work, would not be worth its cost to any employer—partly because of the social charges necessary to keep others such as he in a state of permanent idleness, and partly because of his own characteristics. And so unskilled labor is performed in England by foreigners, while an indigenous class of permanently unemployed is subsidized.

    The culture of the person in this situation is not such as to elevate his behavior. One in which the late Amy Winehouse—the vulgar, semicriminal drug addict and alcoholic singer of songs whose lyrics effectively celebrated the most degenerate kind of life imaginable—could be raised to the status of heroine is not one that is likely to protect against bad behavior.

    Finally, long experience of impunity has taught the rioters that they have nothing to fear from the law, which in England has become almost comically lax—except, that is, for the victims of crime. For the rioters, crime has become the default setting of their behavior; the surprising thing about the riots is not that they have occurred, but that they did not occur sooner and did not become chronic.

    British Degeneracy on Parade by Theodore Dalrymple - City Journal
     
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    1996 income with 2011 prices...
    :eusa_eh:
    Household income drops to lowest point since '96
    13 Sept.`11 - The median income of U.S. households fell 2.3% in 2010 to the lowest level since 1996 after adjusting for inflation, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday.
    See also:

    Poverty rate rises in America
    September 13, 2011: Amid a still struggling economy, more people in America fell below the poverty line last year, according to new census data released Tuesday.
     
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    If they work for it, yes. Otherwise, no, because it's not income.
     
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    If it imoney/entitlements... are handed to them... its income.



    The question this was spun off of was if the "rich" earn theirs...... I say they do.

    Do the poor "earn" their "income" ... is say they do not.
     
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    Someone has to pay for their 50" tv's and xbox's
     
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    When did federal income taxes become the bench mark for fairness?

    You know the working poor pay a larger percentage of their income in sales tax and payrolls taxes. Much larger share than the "rich". Shouldn't we then raise those taxes on the rich in addition to raising income taxes on the poor?
     
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    Sorry, I regard those payments to the poor as receipt of transfer payments. It's certainly not earned.
     
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    Why is it you have to live off $20k a year and why do you need money for baby shit?
     
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