Do Republicans hate America?

[manu1959]

The GOP = tax cuts for the wealthy = DEBT for Americans = DEMOCRATS elected to clean up the GOP mess.

yes because there were no dems in power prior to this year and none voted to contribute to any of this.....

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The GOP = tax cuts for the wealthy = DEBT for Americans = DEMOCRATS elected to clean up the GOP mess.

Don't you have any shame at all? Oh wait you don't, you're a Canadian.

Parroting the same shit over and over doesn't make it accurate. Just makes you mindless.

Like we give a fuck what a Canadian thinks anyway. Without us on your southern border, there's no telling what your country would be.

 

[editec]

We frequently read posts dripping with smug contempt when Americans who are suffering are discussed.

Some Republican supporters claim to love America, but they surely hate a lot of Americans.

And I wrong?

Go back and you'll see how often such contempt was expressed.

And you never read anything like that contempt written by people who do not describe themselves either as Republicans, conseravitives or libertarians.

Never.

My thoery is that these folks feel that since they're doing okay, they get to jeer at those who aren't.

You telling me those are good Americans who love their country?

I beg to differ,

America isn't a land mass it's the people on it.

Hate them, and you hate America.

 

[AllieBaba]

France?

 

[AllieBaba]

We frequently read posts dripping with smug contempt when Americans who are suffering are discussed.

Some Republican supporters claim to love America, but they surely hate a lot of Americans.

And I wrong?

Go back and you'll see how often such contempt was expressed.

And you never read anything like that contempt written by people who do not describe themselves either as Republicans, conseravitives or libertarians.

Never.

My thoery is that these folks feel that since they're doing okay, they get to jeer at those who aren't.

You telling me those are good Americans who love their country?

I beg to differ,

America isn't a land mass it's the people on it.

Hate them, and you hate America.

The smug contempt I see on here is liberal elitists ridiculing and sneering at Americans. The insistence that Americans are incapable of succeeding without assistance, the insistence that we need the government guiding every move we make, the arrogance directed towards Christians....

 

[Gunny]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

This argument's been had. You can of course identify, by name, who you are calling "Republicans"?

I would say by your reasoning, every leftwinger on this board hates American judging by what we had to listen to for 8 years. Correct?

I don't want Obama to fail as President of the US. I want him to fail implementing leftwing policies. I would say THAT is the logical conclusion.

 

[Toro]

In general, no.

I wouldn't stereotype a handful of nutbars as representative of the entire Republican Party.

You can be against Obama and not want the country to fail, same as you can be against the war in Iraq and still be pro-American.

 

[Xenophon]

I would say that Republicans hate America as much as Obama supporters.

I would say i hate Republicans as much as I hate Obama supporters.

 

[Red Dawn]

Reading through many of these threads it strikes me as somewhat peculiar to see so many self-identified republicans hoping (even praying) that Obama fails miserably and that America is befallen by an economic catastrophe of never-before-seen epic proportions. Isn't the only logical conclusion that they must hate America? What other reason could they have to so desperately hope for Americans to suffer more than we've ever suffered before?

Perhaps it is because your argument rests on straw-man, faulty premise. You hoped Bush failed didn't you? Well my friend, it is obviously YOU that hates Americans. Maybe rephrase to make this thread slightly less ridiculous.

Your lying. No liberal I know hoped bush would fail.

We said he was fucking up. And we we're right.

You' re obviously projecting. Just because you want the country to crash and burn 30 days after a democrat takes office, doesn't mean other people felt the same way when bush took office.

 

[Xenophon]

Your lying. No liberal I know hoped bush would fail.

Ha ha..ha ha ha...HA HA HA HA HA HA

 

[KittenKoder]

Your lying. No liberal I know hoped bush would fail.

Ha ha..ha ha ha...HA HA HA HA HA HA

Hmm ... seems you don't know any real liberals ....

 

[Shadow]

Why...aren't you one of the ones that gets back more than you pay in? If so, why are you marching to protect high income from being taxed?

Does it matter is she's the one being taxed or not? If you really be;ieve that all men are created equal should you just stand by and watch while you think someone is being treated unfairly?

I think a more valid protest would be to refuse the tax credit...I mean, seriously...you march to relieve people of giving you a tax credit and at the same time you deposit the tax credit?

Won't be taking Oblah blah's fake hand out. It will have to be paid back the following year anyway.

 

[frazzledgear]

The GOP = tax cuts for the wealthy = DEBT for Americans = DEMOCRATS elected to clean up the GOP mess.

I know most Canadians bought into the liberal swill their media spoonfeeds them -because they usually haven't a clue what they are talking about when it comes to the US.

An across-the-board 2% tax rate reduction for all taxpayers is not a tax cut for the rich -except to really stupid people who have really, really poor math skills. Which sure seems to include nearly every liberal. The rich still paid the identical higher percent rate over every other tax bracket that they did before the Bush tax cuts, they still paid far more in taxes than you even earned. The government didn't GIVE anyone any money, it simply took 2% less from all taxpayers of what THEY earned. We each kept 2% more of the money WE each earned in the first place. Not what someone else earned. What I earn doesn't belong to government first but to ME first. Same is true for the wealthy -it doesn't first belong to government and it sure doesn't belong first to me or anyone else who didn't earn it. That isn't something liberals believe though. They believe that government OWNS the fruits of my labor -something Marx also believed. Hell no it doesn't. I, through my elected representatives, tell government how much I will ALLOW government to take from what I earn. Government doesn't decide how much it will allow me to keep. Government is the servant of the people -not their master. And woe to any people who forget that.

The tax burden wasn't shifted to a lower economic class with the Bush tax rate cuts at all. In fact, that reduction relieved another nearly 500,000 at the bottom of all income earners of any federal income tax burden at all. The ONLY purpose for that tax cut was to stimulate the economy by having all taxpayers keep 2% more of their own money. It was not intended to be a means of redistributing the wealth or giving a freebie and handout to people who don't even pay income taxes at all. We have all sorts of entitlement programs that do plenty of that already. It was intended to stimulate the economy -period. Since the wealthiest in our country pay the bulk of all income taxes and the vast majority of small businesses which create the bulk of new jobs are taxed at the same rate as the wealthiest -omitting them from the identical tax rate cut given to all other taxpayers means removing any possibility of stimulating the economy as well. Which a liberal would still rather do than allow a rich person to keep even one more cent of the money HE earned in the first place. LOL

You rich-hating liberals will never get it. In Canada, the top 10% of all income earners, pay about 52.6% of all federal income taxes. The bottom 50% pay about 27% of all federal income taxes.

But in the US, the top 1/10th of the top 1% pay 17.4% of all federal income taxes. The top 1% pay nearly 40% of all federal income taxes. The top 5% of all income earners pay 59.67% of all federal income taxes. And in OUR country, the top 10% pay 70% of federal income taxes. Our bottom 50% pay just 3.07% of all federal income taxes. Yet we have more rich people per capita than Canada does. We have more millionaires per capita than any nation on earth. Gee, how did a stupid, dumb free market loving country like the US figure out how to shift more of the tax burden to the very, very wealthiest yet still have so many wealthy people and lower tax rates than you so-much "smarter" liberal Canadians inflicted on yourselves, huh?

Instead of wallowing in useless class envy -your time might be better spent figuring out why that is. I'll give you a hint. It is because our government doesn't confiscate the bulk of what someone has earned in the form of taxes - and thereby discourage people from even bothering to earn it in the first place. In the US a household of a married couple with two kids, making the average wage compared with the same household in other countries earning that amount -would pay 11.9% of their income in taxes in this country. If they were Canadian, they would pay 21.5%. In Japan that family pays a 24.9% tax rate. England, Germany, and France -are 27.1%, 35.7%, and 41.7% respectively. Why would we want to imitate Canada or any other socialist dabbling country and adopt your method when it means shifting a greater share of the tax burden DOWN to those earning less?

At some point you rich-hating, wealthy-envying liberals are going to have to decide what really matters to you. The APPEARANCE of soaking the rich by imposing high statutory tax rates when doing so invariably only results in fewer people bothering to even earn it -and it means a much larger percent of the taxes are being paid by those who are not wealthy. Which also means less revenue for government which lessens the ability of government to aid the poor. Or realizing that a less punitive tax rate benefits government AND everyone else in the country. If done correctly and not as a means of penalizing the most productive in society, it shifts even more of the burden the burden of taxes to the wealthiest while increasing government revenues, which can then better aid the poor -all because of using a system that encouraged people to earn greater wealth. Instead of PUNISHING them for it.

Sadly, the left nearly always votes for appearances over reality. They never get enough of wailing the rich still aren't paying their fair share -its a never ending chant for them. Even while the very wealthiest in the US pay a much larger share of all federal income taxes than in Canada, the UK, France etc. all of which use far more punitive tax rates for even the average wage earner. Liberals will always favor high punitive rates even though it brings in much less government revenue and thereby shifts the tax burden downward on the less wealthy. And do so even when seeing time and again that lower rates result in far more government revenue and leaves government in a far better position to aid the poor. Which makes it difficult to take liberals seriously when they claim they are soooo much smarter as well as far more humanitarian than conservatives - who figured this one out a long time ago. LOL

 

[DavidS]

All they want is Obama to fail and if Obama fails so do we. Believe me, this crisis calls for more than just tax cuts. We need real action, real leadership. And by hoping the leadership fails - they hope we fail, they hope America fails. So Republicans must hate America.

 

[Gunny]

All they want is Obama to fail and if Obama fails so do we. Believe me, this crisis calls for more than just tax cuts. We need real action, real leadership. And by hoping the leadership fails - they hope we fail, they hope America fails. So Republicans must hate America.

This thread already exists in politics.

Your belated birthday present in the Do Democrats hate America thread.

 

[Xenophon]

Hmm ... seems you don't know any real liberals ....

Seems you are 100% wrong.

 

[KittenKoder]

Hmm ... seems you don't know any real liberals ....

Seems you are 100% wrong.

Sure ... I believe you ...

 

[Xenophon]

Sure ... I believe you ...

And well you should.

 

[KittenKoder]

Sure ... I believe you ...

And well you should.

Hmm ... naw, I prefer real life experiences and well ... truth instead of your partisan fantasies.

 

[Xenophon]

Sure ... I believe you ...

And well you should.

Hmm ... naw, I prefer real life experiences and well ... truth instead of your partisan fantasies.

And we see that classic error again, the partisan accusing others of being partisan.

Does anyone actually pay attention on the left on this board?


If you did, it would be clear i am as far from being 'partsian' as is humanly possible, but as usual, it was the FIRST thing you want to accuse me of.

Halrious.