Do Natural Rights Exist Without Government ?

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    After you take off the formal dressing its the same thing I've been saying all along. "Here are some rights that we say came from the air just because you are special".
     
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    Not really. We need to prove the existence of God for that to be a true statement.
     
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    I thought the OP was wondering if rights were secure without government? Saying there are rights floating around separate from what man has defined is misleading and false. Get rid of government and now its a case of only the strongest surviving. Wheres the humanity in that?
     
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    How do you not get dizzy running around in circles like that? No one is claiming special privileges, we are arguing for the rights that belong to everyone.
     
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    Your strawman is so old it's a cliche... the straw man that says liberty means living in anarchy because there would be no government is asinine. We can stop the government from taking liberty away from law abiding citizens and still have room for laws against, theft, murder, rape, etc.
     
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    No you cant stop the government from taking away liberty unless you have bigger guns than they do. Claiming inalienable rights if the government decides to take over will just be a point of amusement to them if they decided to bomb your home off the map or lock you away. What exactly are you going to do with your supposed inalienable rights if that occurs? Your rights from air are simply a security blanket nothing more.
     
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    Yet Gandhi managed to hand the greatest empire the world had ever seen a resounding defeat without firing a shot.

    Feel free to ignore this fact, just like you do all other facts that contradict your opinion.
     
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    You'd think the guy never heard of the American Revolution.
     
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    You'd think you would realize this is not the 1700's
     
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    I would never think you would think at all, which is why you are ignoring the fact that Gandhi lived in the 20th century.
     

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