Do Conservatives Fan The Flames Of Poverty?

[Soggy in NOLA]

You and your ilk are not just part of the problem, you are the problem.

Whaaaa? There would be no problem if you pitched in. The problem could be solved. Everyone could have a home & the necessities of life and no poverty would exist. So why blame this on libs who are trying to help? Blame it on your sorry ass attached to that anchor.....................

Support and advocate responsibility and you will see more successful people.

Well sure, have the rich pay off that 13 Trillion they racked up, and you will see move successful people. Until they accept responsibility and pay up, I don't see anything changing.

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Have you watched this video & what did you get out of it? All that screaming and rambling in hate & anger completely destroys any message. She contradicts herself, so hard telling what is true or false.

My God you're dumb.

 

[The T]

Do Conservatives Fan The Flames Of Poverty?

To the OP:

Here's the deal sport.

The flames get fanned when Conservatives offer common sense alternatives like Government staying the HELL outta people's personal lives.

The Statist heaps on more out of spite. People cannot be responsible for themselves. You won't have any part of it.

Statists stoke the fires with more programs that rob liberty of choice and escalate slavery to government heretofore known as poverty. Just look at the latest rise in poverty since Obama?

Poverty will always be with us. It always has through history. But Statists think they can quell it by robbing those that get the lesson and give to those that refuse to.

We have charity for that...but Government has their noses in that and have sullied it too.

The result is more poverty created BY government by robbing Liberty.

We may be our brother's keeper...but we aren't their banker by force of government.

Your ball OP.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Liberals enable and breed generational poverty, something our Founders took into consideration for eradication when designing our system.

I take exception to this, It is not liberals who do this, it is progressives.

 

[Samson]

Acually I was thinking more like Sweden. They may still have a few in poverty.

Ah yes, Sweden.

Sweden has delt with their poverty by not having kids.

Probably a good idea, based on personal experience.

There is probably a formula for most of life's problems, and a smaller system is eaiser to look at to get some rough numbers from. I was tought it takes three children to replace 1 family in the future due to hazards and such ~ you lose one. I think people have cut back, isn't our population figures shrinking (not including the illegals)? Probably one child per household is getting close to right.

Population growth rate (most recent) by country

The US has a population growth rate of 0.883% (#137)...below the 1.3% weighted average....but higher than China.

The US growth rate is 8 times the population growth rate of Sweden (#190) at 0.157%.....slightly above the EU's Socialist Utopian 0.11% growth rate.....Russians and populations of almost every country behind the old "Iron Curtain" are dropping dead quicker than they can be replaced.

 

[shintao]

You and your ilk are not talking pitching in... you are talking forced redistribution at the hands of government for your feelings of charity... generous when it comes to the monies of others

See what I mean, the tire is flat, so you bitch about the delay. You don't take off the hubcap, or lug nuts, or flat tire, etc. You want to wait until the job is done by others, and then want to be the first to hop back in the car. I pity you............LO! They next time they call a war, be in the front of the fucking line.

 

[Liberty]

You and your ilk are not talking pitching in... you are talking forced redistribution at the hands of government for your feelings of charity... generous when it comes to the monies of others

See what I mean, the tire is flat, so you bitch about the delay. You don't take off the hubcap, or lug nuts, or flat tire, etc. You want to wait until the job is done by others, and then want to be the first to hop back in the car. I pity you............LO! They next time they call a war, be in the front of the fucking line.

why dont you just man up and admit it? And be proud of it? Why throw red herrings around? Why are you afraid to admit who you really are? If you are going to promote ideas, why not do it openly. Say you are socialist, say you want government control, say you want people to not make decisions in their lives, just fucking man up...stop being a wuss.

 

[shintao]

Ah yes, Sweden.

Sweden has delt with their poverty by not having kids.

Probably a good idea, based on personal experience.

There is probably a formula for most of life's problems, and a smaller system is eaiser to look at to get some rough numbers from. I was tought it takes three children to replace 1 family in the future due to hazards and such ~ you lose one. I think people have cut back, isn't our population figures shrinking (not including the illegals)? Probably one child per household is getting close to right.

Population growth rate (most recent) by country

The US has a population growth rate of 0.883% (#137)...below the 1.3% weighted average....but higher than China.

The US growth rate is 8 times the population growth rate of Sweden (#190) at 0.157%.....slightly above the EU's Socialist Utopian 0.11% growth rate.....Russians and populations of almost every country behind the old "Iron Curtain" are dropping dead quicker than they can be replaced.

Good information. I think China is still rolling on 1 child per family. I was reminded of the baby they just found on the Asian airliner. A lot of these moms stick the 2nd born into lockers at bus stations & airports. Here we abandoned them on church door steps and garbage cans at school.

 

[shintao]

why dont you just man up and admit it? And be proud of it? Why throw red herrings around? Why are you afraid to admit who you really are? If you are going to promote ideas, why not do it openly. Say you are socialist, say you want government control, say you want people to not make decisions in their lives, just fucking man up...stop being a wuss.

Hitting your crack ball early tonight. You did get my answer, correct? Maybe you are having flashbacks. I haven't denied I lean socialist on most things, especially when it comes to humanity. I do want partial government control, that being all National Security items needed to protect Americans. I could give a shit about control by me, I want you to take responsibility for yourself and your country. Where does that leave you pussy?

 

[Liberty]

There is probably a formula for most of life's problems, and a smaller system is eaiser to look at to get some rough numbers from. I was tought it takes three children to replace 1 family in the future due to hazards and such ~ you lose one. I think people have cut back, isn't our population figures shrinking (not including the illegals)? Probably one child per household is getting close to right.

Population growth rate (most recent) by country

The US has a population growth rate of 0.883% (#137)...below the 1.3% weighted average....but higher than China.

The US growth rate is 8 times the population growth rate of Sweden (#190) at 0.157%.....slightly above the EU's Socialist Utopian 0.11% growth rate.....Russians and populations of almost every country behind the old "Iron Curtain" are dropping dead quicker than they can be replaced.

Good information. I think China is still rolling on 1 child per family. I was reminded of the baby they just found on the Asian airliner. A lot of these moms stick the 2nd born into lockers at bus stations & airports. Here we abandoned them on church door steps and garbage cans at school.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the CONJECTURE KING!

ALL HAIL HIS MAJESTY!

 

[Liberty]

why dont you just man up and admit it? And be proud of it? Why throw red herrings around? Why are you afraid to admit who you really are? If you are going to promote ideas, why not do it openly. Say you are socialist, say you want government control, say you want people to not make decisions in their lives, just fucking man up...stop being a wuss.

Hitting your crack ball early tonight. You did get my answer, correct? Maybe you are having flashbacks. I haven't denied I lean socialist on most things, especially when it comes to humanity. I do want partial government control, that being all National Security items needed to protect Americans. I could give a shit about control by me, I want you to take responsibility for yourself and your country. Where does that leave you pussy?

Wow an actual honest response, minus the insults. to answer your question I am a pure blood 100% libertarian. freedom for the individual, and very small limited government are what harasses the potential of the human being, in my opinion.
now then...

So, where would you draw the line then?

Would you say that government should provide food to the masses as well?

 

[shintao]

You and your ilk are not just part of the problem, you are the problem.

Whaaaa? There would be no problem if you pitched in. The problem could be solved. Everyone could have a home & the necessities of life and no poverty would exist. So why blame this on libs who are trying to help? Blame it on your sorry ass attached to that anchor.....................




Well sure, have the rich pay off that 13 Trillion they racked up, and you will see move successful people. Until they accept responsibility and pay up, I don't see anything changing.

YouTube - Black Conservatives Blast Al Sharpton Protesters in DC 8/28

Have you watched this video & what did you get out of it? All that screaming and rambling in hate & anger completely destroys any message. She contradicts herself, so hard telling what is true or false.

My God you're dumb.

You are such an imbecile.

 

[Liberty]

side note, shintao, the national government deficit is caused by government spending on social programs and fake stimulus pork packages, wars, etc. i dont know who told you that corporations can rack up government debt, but they lied to you.

 

[Charles_Main]

side note, shintao, the national government deficit is caused by government spending on social programs and fake stimulus pork packages, etc. i dont know who told you that corporations can rack up government debt, but they lied to you.

You are forgetting how These loons think. In his mind all those cooperation's money is the governments, and they are racking up debt by not giving enough of it to the Fed.

 

[Liberty]

side note, shintao, the national government deficit is caused by government spending on social programs and fake stimulus pork packages, wars, etc. i dont know who told you that corporations can rack up government debt, but they lied to you.

You are forgetting how These loons think. In his mind all those cooperation's money is the governments, and they are racking up debt by not giving enough of it to the Fed.

....really? You're joking...right? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[shintao]

why dont you just man up and admit it? And be proud of it? Why throw red herrings around? Why are you afraid to admit who you really are? If you are going to promote ideas, why not do it openly. Say you are socialist, say you want government control, say you want people to not make decisions in their lives, just fucking man up...stop being a wuss.

Hitting your crack ball early tonight. You did get my answer, correct? Maybe you are having flashbacks. I haven't denied I lean socialist on most things, especially when it comes to humanity. I do want partial government control, that being all National Security items needed to protect Americans. I could give a shit about control by me, I want you to take responsibility for yourself and your country. Where does that leave you pussy?

Wow an actual honest response, minus the insults. to answer your question I am a pure blood 100% libertarian. freedom for the individual, and very small limited government are what harasses the potential of the human being, in my opinion.
now then...

So, where would you draw the line then?

Would you say that government should provide food to the masses as well?

I don't include food in the national security list. Let the states who still tax for their local needs figure that one out.

I want control of
1.Water
2.Power
3.Energy
4.Transportation
5.Oil
6.military
7.All entry points
8.Housing

And all of these are dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them. If you don't want water and the Military, you don't fund them. So the National Security list is up to Americans to control as individuals from their pocket books. But control still remains with the federal government, even if not funded. A state cannot take over the military or water.

 

[Liberty]

Hitting your crack ball early tonight. You did get my answer, correct? Maybe you are having flashbacks. I haven't denied I lean socialist on most things, especially when it comes to humanity. I do want partial government control, that being all National Security items needed to protect Americans. I could give a shit about control by me, I want you to take responsibility for yourself and your country. Where does that leave you pussy?

Wow an actual honest response, minus the insults. to answer your question I am a pure blood 100% libertarian. freedom for the individual, and very small limited government are what harasses the potential of the human being, in my opinion.
now then...

So, where would you draw the line then?

Would you say that government should provide food to the masses as well?

I don't include food in the national security list. Let the states who still tax for their local needs figure that one out.

I want control of
1.Water
2.Power
3.Energy
4.Transportation
5.Oil
6.military
7.All entry points

And all of these are dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them. If you don't want water and the Military, you don't fund them. So the National Security list is up to Americans to control as individuals from their pocket books. But control still remains with the federal government, even if not funded. A state cannot take over the military or water.

Hmmm...interesting. So you base this on what philosophical concept, if any?

if none, who gets to decide how the power is handled, and what gives those with power the power to make decisions?

Furthermore, by this token, would you be for paying into social security being optional in the real world?

 

[Charles_Main]

Hitting your crack ball early tonight. You did get my answer, correct? Maybe you are having flashbacks. I haven't denied I lean socialist on most things, especially when it comes to humanity. I do want partial government control, that being all National Security items needed to protect Americans. I could give a shit about control by me, I want you to take responsibility for yourself and your country. Where does that leave you pussy?

Wow an actual honest response, minus the insults. to answer your question I am a pure blood 100% libertarian. freedom for the individual, and very small limited government are what harasses the potential of the human being, in my opinion.
now then...

So, where would you draw the line then?

Would you say that government should provide food to the masses as well?

I don't include food in the national security list. Let the states who still tax for their local needs figure that one out.

I want control of
1.Water
2.Power
3.Energy
4.Transportation
5.Oil
6.military
7.All entry points

And all of these are dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them. If you don't want water and the Military, you don't fund them. So the National Security list is up to Americans to control as individuals from their pocket books. But control still remains with the federal government, even if not funded. A state cannot take over the military or water.

Add that list up and you have government control of about 2/3rd of our Economy. That my friend is classic national Socialism like in Germany. Not the hate the Jews part. They blending of the cooperate world, and the government. Utilities, Water, Trans, energy, Oil That is one huge chuck of the business world there bud.

I am appalled you would have the government that is so inefficient, and wasteful in everything it does. Control so much of the pie. Simply appalled.

All that is required is proper over site and regulation, not a freaking take over.

 

[shintao]

Wow an actual honest response, minus the insults. to answer your question I am a pure blood 100% libertarian. freedom for the individual, and very small limited government are what harasses the potential of the human being, in my opinion.
now then...

So, where would you draw the line then?

Would you say that government should provide food to the masses as well?

I don't include food in the national security list. Let the states who still tax for their local needs figure that one out.

I want control of
1.Water
2.Power
3.Energy
4.Transportation
5.Oil
6.military
7.All entry points

And all of these are dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them. If you don't want water and the Military, you don't fund them. So the National Security list is up to Americans to control as individuals from their pocket books. But control still remains with the federal government, even if not funded. A state cannot take over the military or water.

I added housing to the list. Some sort of housing to take people out of the elements, not tract houses.

Hmmm...interesting. So you base this on what philosophical concept, if any?

Hammurbi (1750 BC). Just the idea that all human beings are entitled to their dignity. Some items are for military reasons, such as oil, and only oil on federal land, your land.

if none, who gets to decide how the power is handled, and what gives those with power the power to make decisions?

The president & Congress continue to legislate, but the power $$$$ is money, they lack the ability to act without the people. If you president wants to start a war, he has to come directly to you and ask for money to raise an Army. You decide if you fund his war with your ATM card. Whatever you fund, cannot be put in any slush-fund. It must be used for your intended purpose. If it is not used in six months, it is refunded into your ATM account, meaning, there was not enough enthused people to go to war.

Furthermore, by this token, would you be for paying into social security being optional in the real world?

If I have compassion for seniors who served America, probably. You have to remember, by eliminating the IRS & DC, you will have more money than you know what to do with, and you can afford to be charitable if you wish. You have eliminated foreign aid, Israel, air bases, military, welfare, etc. Plus you have completely deregulated, which lowers the price on produce, etc. You will have gasoline for a $1.00 a gallon. Farmers & citizens should have next to nothing in energy bills. We make an electric highway (glass highway) for 100-200+ mph computerized travel, no accidents, no adverse environment (dust, rain, hail, snow, nada) . 300 nuclear plants coupled to the grid & 300 desaltination units pumping fresh water inland to create more farm lands and communities in deserts. Which means more jobs and less poverty for a whole lot of people. No controls on corporations, they either survive or they fail and someone comes along to replace them.

 

[Liberty]

I don't include food in the national security list. Let the states who still tax for their local needs figure that one out.

I want control of
1.Water
2.Power
3.Energy
4.Transportation
5.Oil
6.military
7.All entry points

And all of these are dependent on citizens voluntarily funding them. If you don't want water and the Military, you don't fund them. So the National Security list is up to Americans to control as individuals from their pocket books. But control still remains with the federal government, even if not funded. A state cannot take over the military or water.

I added housing to the list. Some sort of housing to take people out of the elements, not tract houses.



Hammurbi (1750 BC). Just the idea that all human beings are entitled to their dignity. Some items are for military reasons, such as oil, and only oil on federal land, your land.




The president & Congress continue to legislate, but the power $$$$ is money, they lack the ability to act without the people. If you president wants to start a war, he has to come directly to you and ask for money to raise an Army. You decide if you fund his war.

Furthermore, by this token, would you be for paying into social security being optional in the real world?

If I have compassion for seniors who served America, probably. You have to remember, by eliminating the IRS & DC, you will have more money than you know what to do with, and you can afford to be charitable if you wish. You have eliminated foreign aid, Israel, air bases, military, welfare, etc. Plus you have completely deregulated, which lowers the price on produce, etc. You will have gasoline for a $1.00 a gallon. Farmers & citizens should have next to nothing in energy bills. We make an electric highway (glass highway) for 100-200+ mph computerized travel, no accidents, no adverse environment (dus, rain, hail, snow, nada) . 300 nuclear plants coupled to the grid & 300 desaltination units pumping fresh water inland to create more farm lands and communities in deserts. Which means more jobs and less poverty for a whole lot of people. No controls on corporations, they either survive or they fail and someone comes along to replace them.

all that sounds nice in theory, and i appreciate civility coming out of you for once...there are a few problems.

The problem is there are no restraints. You say the people have the power, but how? The people have a voice but they do not have the tools. The government will forsake this, and move on their own in claim they are working for the people, because the people are just a mass that needs to be controlled and dictated.

You are describing a system that has been tried many times in many parts of the world and has failed catastrophically each time...im sorry man but it just doesn't work, no matter how nice it sounds its not practical...on top of it all...who pays for it if 80% of the economy is controlled by government? That is the big question.

edit: Ugh man you know what I really tried but I just don't see any...intelligence behind your idea. I appreciate you writing it out but to be honest i dont like the way it sounds too much. the ATM idea is interesting but it isnt practical. what if youre being invaded? you dont have time to get out your atm card lol. i dont wanna be harsh but...your idea is pretty dumb.

 

[shintao]

all that sounds nice in theory, and i appreciate civility coming out of you for once...there are a few problems.The problem is there are no restraints. You say the people have the power, but how? The people have a voice but they do not have the tools. The government will forsake this, and move on their own in claim they are working for the people, because the people are just a mass that needs to be controlled and dictated.

Power = $$$ Without cash DC will have to shut down. No writing blank checks. The legislature & the President LOSE the ability to spend. That shifts directly to you and your ATM card. They go about business wrting laws and legislation, BUT the cannot fund it. They have to stick the legislation on the Internet & media sources, HR 10, then you read the bill to fix the lights on the Capital building, X-Amount needed. And you say, yeah I like that, I will kick in a hundred to brighten up the place. You go to local Federal machine, punch in HR 10, insert your ATM card and send them a $100 on HR 10. If they get the x-Amount donated within 6 months, they get the light fix. If not, they send you back your $100 dollars to your account.

Without an IRS, all federal collections & taxes cease. You fund whatever legislation you feel like funding.

The reason government won't take control, is because you are going to control government before setting the plan in motion. You have to open the constitution by convention. That requires loyalists of the AVG Party to have majority in the states and congress. They will be voted in, because they are going to work for free, and exist by our donations. Once the AVG plan is working, congressmen will no longer be funded, and will survive by donations. That will raise the patriotism of those that serve us.

You are describing a system that has been tried many times in many parts of the world and has failed catastrophically each time...im sorry man but it just doesn't work, no matter how nice it sounds its not practical...on top of it all...who pays for it if 80% of the economy is controlled by government? That is the big question.

Actually, there is only one country I know of that uses it, that is no taxes, and they survive ok. Government will never reach 80%. It will only reach what is voluntarily funded. Everything else like National forests and stuff will shut down if they are not funded.

I tell you why I think it will work. Because I hear thousands of Americans saying, "Why do I have to pay for X?" OK, this way they don't have to pay for X, or anything else they don't like. They like riding on the glass highway doing 200+ to work with a coffee cup in hand and their news paper, they will be able to fund it along with other like thinkers.

It is not a scary as it sounds. You will be paying far less, and will think more about your government, and be involved more, taking your responsibility to heart. We tried to let fat cats run it for us, and they have failed, failed failed. So we run it ourselves.

Here is a link to the AVG Party blog I started. I mentioned I do not want any part of runing anything or anybody. The idea needs leaders like Ron Paul if he will take the leap.

All Volunteer Government Party (AVGP)