Do any of you white so called Christians

[waltky]

That's certainly an interesting interpretation...

... but I prefer to take Jesus at His Word.

 

[hobelim]

That's certainly an interesting interpretation...

... but I prefer to take Jesus at His Word.

Then should I expect to see you on the side of the road destitute and eating out of garbage cans?

 

[the_human_being]

The OP proves the saying that those who know the least complain the most.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Poor OP.

Prolly still triggered by Trump win.

 

[zaangalewa]

I don't know what the OP is talking about. I am responsible for my own thoughts and actions, I am not responsible for things I have no control of.

It often happens that I wake up at night and begin to think about a serious problem and decide I must tell the Pope about it. Then I wake up completely and remember that I am the Pope.
John XXIII

 

[emilynghiem]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

BTW dfens
Eye of a Needle


"The Aramaic word gamla means camel, a large rope and a beam. The meaning of the word is determined by its context. If the word riding or burden occurs then gamla means a camel, but when the eye of a needle is mentioned gamla more correctly means a rope. There is no connection anywhere in Aramaic speech or literature between camel and needle, but there is a definite connection between rope and needle."

Nearly all of the English versions of the Gospels came from Greek texts by translators who may have known little about Aramaic. Thus camel would have been translated instead of rope. It takes little effort to imagine Yeshua, while walking along the sea coast, pointing to a rope and saying, "It is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God".

Consider also the interesting comment of the Aramaic scholar Andrew Gabriel Roth, where he explains that the rope analogy simply meant that it had to be unwound to pass through the eye of a needle.

One final note of information should be passed along to the reader. In his book Judaism in the First Three Centuries of the Christian Era, George Foot Moore shares the following from ancient Jewish beliefs concerning the eye of a needle.

God encourages and assists every movement of man's heart towards him. The words of the lover in the Song of Songs (5,2), 'Open to me, my sister,' are thus applied: God says, "Open to me an entrance no larger than the eye of a needle, and I will open to you an entrance through which tents and great timbers can pass."

 

[hadit]

OP wrote: when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven?

He didn't say it was impossible...

... for with God all things are possible...

... he was just making the point it was difficult...

... to leave all that material wealth...

... for the spiritual kingdom of heaven.

The rich man did not boast about having money, he boasted about always following the law ever since he was a boy. Jesus was not telling the man to sell his material wealth. He was telling the man to sell off everything he had bought into about following the literal letter of the law and then follow his teaching about the figurative nature and hidden subjects in the law if he wanted to go all the way to be perfect and have life. It wasn't about giving up his money it was about him giving up everything he had been taught to believe in and hold dear ever since he was born.


His many possessions indicate that the man gained his wealth as a rabbi or head of a synagogue or large congregation that he would have to explain himself to and position that he would have to give up if he were to follow the revelation of Jesus.

Thats why the man walked away with a heavy heart.......


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I do not agree with that.

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Jesus, knowing the hearts of men, was able to zero in on this man's idol, which was wealth. Since Jesus' command was to SELL and GIVE to the poor, obviously He was talking about physical wealth.

You haven't though about this very deeply have you?

Do you think Jesus told the man to become destitute and then follow Jesus wandering around the Judean countryside? Do you think this story was included in the gospels to teach people that they have to part with all of their material possessions to have treasure in heaven?

If so why do you own anything? Why aren't you wandering around the deserts of Israel ?


Makes no sense.


The rich mans question to Jesus about what he should do to be saved was incredulous. He thought he was already saved and assured a place in the world to come.


The man bragged about his assumed security in adhering to Mosaic law since childhood. Thats what constituted his wealth and what Jesus told the man to sell. By telling the man to follow him Jesus was telling him to follow his interpretation and application of Mosaic law. Thats what would give him rewards in heaven, access to the tree of life, the promise for the righteous compliance with the Law fulfilled whether he was materially rich or poor, Jew or Gentile.

Giving in charity to the poor would reflect instruction to enlighten his followers, or in other words, release the possessions in his captivity, the poor in spirit.


It would be like Jesus telling one of those preachers of a mega church to admit to his many followers that he was wrong and then free them from the captivity of following him in error. Can you name even one who would have the honesty or integrity required to do that? Even the much loved and admired Billy Graham who has made millions of dollars by misleading millions of people into idolatry for decades?


See?

It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it would be for a TV preacher to enter the kingdom of heaven.

One cannot put anything into the cup of the person who is already full of themselves.

That makes sense.

Dude, of course the guy wouldn't be bragging about where he fell short. Jesus, though, knowing the hearts of men, knew that this guy's idol was his wealth. And, of course, Jesus does NOT insist that everyone divest themselves of wealth. That is simply ludicrous. He was, though, telling this one guy to do so because He knew that would puncture his sense of self-righteousness. Every Christian knows this because God always goes straight to whatever it is they hold to be more important than Him.

 

[Campbell]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Get used to it. The whole thing is a monstrous crock of shit. I've watched them all my life. Christians are the biggest liars in the history of the world. They claim to be chaste and they take part in every sin known to mankind. All they have to do is ask forgiveness.....................LMAO!!

I kinda hope they're right. I can't wait to get reacquainted with all my old girl friends from the 1950's. Hell might be a good place. Just think about it.....the people who believe they're going to heaven's view of hell is the only one we've ever heard.

 

[the_human_being]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Actually Lazarus, Luke, Matthew, Abraham,

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Let's see here. Lazarus, Luke, Matthew, Abraham, Lot, King David, King Solomon, Jacob's son Joseph, and a few others were considered wealthy for their time.

 

[the_human_being]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Get used to it. The whole thing is a monstrous crock of shit. I've watched them all my life. Christians are the biggest liars in the history of the world. They claim to be chaste and they take part in every sin known to mankind. All they have to do is ask forgiveness.....................LMAO!!

I kinda hope they're right. I can't wait to get reacquainted with all my old girl friends from the 1950's. Hell might be a good place. Just think about it.....the people who believe they're going to heaven's view of hell is the only one we've ever heard.

To be perfectly honest here, I've witnessed far more hatred on USMB from folks like you than I have witnessed Christians exhibiting hatred towards others.

 

[there4eyeM]

A truly Christian nation would not need government aid to the needy.

 

[Onyx]

Well some Christians live in strict adherence to their religion. Most Christians are sanctimonious hypocrites that subscribe to the religion in order to satiate their own human desire for self preservation.

 

[Onyx]

A truly Christian nation would not need government aid to the needy.

No nation needs that.

 

[the_human_being]

Well some Christians live in strict adherence to their religion. Most Christians are sanctimonious hypocrites that subscribe to the religion in order to satiate their own human desire for self preservation.

And somehow what they do effects you?

 

[Campbell]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Get used to it. The whole thing is a monstrous crock of shit. I've watched them all my life. Christians are the biggest liars in the history of the world. They claim to be chaste and they take part in every sin known to mankind. All they have to do is ask forgiveness.....................LMAO!!

I kinda hope they're right. I can't wait to get reacquainted with all my old girl friends from the 1950's. Hell might be a good place. Just think about it.....the people who believe they're going to heaven's view of hell is the only one we've ever heard.

To be perfectly honest here, I've witnessed far more hatred on USMB from folks like you than I have witnessed Christians exhibiting hatred towards others.

Hey...don't blame me. The folks who believe in all that afterlife bullshit are the ones who came up with the concept of hell. I'm like Dr. Albert Einstein and Thomas Jefferson:

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~

" The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding"
~Thomas Jefferson

 

[Onyx]

And somehow what they do effects you?

Yes.

 

[Unkotare]

Troll thread

 

[Pumpkin Row]

That's certainly an interesting interpretation...

... but I prefer to take Jesus at His Word.

Then should I expect to see you on the side of the road destitute and eating out of garbage cans?

Go back and read The Irish Ram's post on the first page. That's what it looks like when someone reads the book before posting about it. You can then go back and read your own posts, that's what it looks like when some Fopdoodle comments on something they never bothered to research or understand.

 

[the_human_being]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Get used to it. The whole thing is a monstrous crock of shit. I've watched them all my life. Christians are the biggest liars in the history of the world. They claim to be chaste and they take part in every sin known to mankind. All they have to do is ask forgiveness.....................LMAO!!

I kinda hope they're right. I can't wait to get reacquainted with all my old girl friends from the 1950's. Hell might be a good place. Just think about it.....the people who believe they're going to heaven's view of hell is the only one we've ever heard.

To be perfectly honest here, I've witnessed far more hatred on USMB from folks like you than I have witnessed Christians exhibiting hatred towards others.

Hey...don't blame me. The folks who believe in all that afterlife bullshit are the ones who came up with the concept of hell. I'm like Dr. Albert Einstein and Thomas Jefferson:

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
~Dr. Albert Einstein~

" The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding"
~Thomas Jefferson

Neither Albert Einstein nor Thomas Jefferson authored the post. You did. You prove my point that it is folks like you who are the most apt to attack and ridicule Christians than it is Christians who make posts attacking and ridiculing you.

 

[the_human_being]

And somehow what they do effects you?

Yes.

How? I submit that you are simply a snptty nosed little busybody who likes to ridicule others.