Do any of you white so called Christians

[Onyx]

How? How am I affected by being surrounded by hypocritical fools?

I'll have to ponder that one over....

 

[Pumpkin Row]

How? How am I affected by being surrounded by hypocritical fools?

I'll have to ponder that one over....

The same way everyone else is affected, which means it doesn't affect you in a special way. You simply have to deal with the fact that life sucks, and people suck, like any other person.

 

[Moonglow]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

And the not entering Heaven part was just another metaphor?

 

[Moonglow]

How? How am I affected by being surrounded by hypocritical fools?

I'll have to ponder that one over....

The same way everyone else is affected, which means it doesn't affect you in a special way. You simply have to deal with the fact that life sucks, and people suck, like any other person.

that is why they make mind altering drugs and always have.....

 

[Onyx]

The same way everyone else is affected, which means it doesn't affect you in a special way. You simply have to deal with the fact that life sucks, and people suck, like any other person.

So what? Does a problem need to be specific to me in order to care about it?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

How? How am I affected by being surrounded by hypocritical fools?

I'll have to ponder that one over....

The same way everyone else is affected, which means it doesn't affect you in a special way. You simply have to deal with the fact that life sucks, and people suck, like any other person.

that is why they make mind altering drugs and always have.....

Mind altering drugs don't need to be made for those who acknowledge reality.

 

[Moonglow]

How? How am I affected by being surrounded by hypocritical fools?

I'll have to ponder that one over....

The same way everyone else is affected, which means it doesn't affect you in a special way. You simply have to deal with the fact that life sucks, and people suck, like any other person.

that is why they make mind altering drugs and always have.....

Mind altering drugs don't need to be made for those who acknowledge reality.

Sure they do, even Moses had hallucinations...Alcohol, well you'll find out about that stuff later in life, when the demands of existence take hold...

 

[Spare_change]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Hell, if you knew the answer, why did you ask the question??

Ohhh ---- you just wanted to pontificate to everyone, demonstrate just exactly how incredibly smart you are, pass judgement on all us lesser human beings!!!

Now, I got it.

But ... you forgot one thing - one simple little element.

Most of us "white Christians" don't give a damn, one way or the other, what you think. Your opinion is, simply, irrelevant. We answer to a higher power, and a stronger judgement.

So, do us a favor - just quit wasting our time (unless, of course, you need this to feed your pathetic ego, or you need to shout at us because, deep inside, you're afraid you just might be wrong and secretly hope we will be able to convince you)

Either way, you get judged.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

And the not entering Heaven part was just another metaphor?

No, because the Bible doesn't say that the wealthy cannot enter Heaven. To the contrary, God likes to see His children prosper on earth as well as in Heaven.
God's friend Abraham was extremely wealthy. The apple of His eye, David, was wealthy. Solomon was wealthy. Wealth is not a problem. Loving it more than God is the problem. Money tends to make people greedy. The more you have, the more you want. It can be a sort of trap that Christ warns about.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

How? How am I affected by being surrounded by hypocritical fools?

I'll have to ponder that one over....

The same way everyone else is affected, which means it doesn't affect you in a special way. You simply have to deal with the fact that life sucks, and people suck, like any other person.

that is why they make mind altering drugs and always have.....

Mind altering drugs don't need to be made for those who acknowledge reality.

Sure they do, even Moses had hallucinations...Alcohol, well you'll find out about that stuff later in life, when the demands of existence take hold...

Oh boy, the "You'll understand when you're older" fallacy.

 

[Moonglow]

see any contradiction in your professed beliefs, and your actual actions, such as
-the rampant commercialism and money making of religion, when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? I don't see it anywhere in the Bible, "make billions of dollars selling stuff to people" If you do, let me know where it is
-the fact that American foreign policy is based around the idea that we can indiscriminately bomb anyone around the world, when Jesus spoke of love and forgiveness and blessed are the peacemakers?

Of course you don't. Because you as much as you may claim to be Christian, in reality you are all too human and the greed and power that is offered to you in America is too much to resist. So, in the end the moneymaking and the warmongering will win out, and you will do so even as you hypocritically pretend to be Christian.

A curse on all of you.

Hell, if you knew the answer, why did you ask the question??

Ohhh ---- you just wanted to pontificate to everyone, demonstrate just exactly how incredibly smart you are, pass judgement on all us lesser human beings!!!

Now, I got it.

But ... you forgot one thing - one simply little element.

Most of us "white Christians" don't give a damn, one way or the other, what you think. Your opinion is, simply, irrelevant. We answer to a higher power, and a stronger judgement.

So, do us a favor - just quit wasting our time (unless, of course, you need this to feed your pathetic ego, or you need to shout at us because, deep inside, you're afraid you just might be wrong and secretly hope we will be able to convince you)

Either way, you get judged.

Everything you say in retort must be yes or no, or it is evil....

 

[Moonglow]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

And the not entering Heaven part was just another metaphor?

No, because the Bible doesn't say that the wealthy cannot enter Heaven. To the contrary, God likes to see His children prosper on earth as well as in Heaven.
God's friend Abraham was extremely wealthy. The apple of His eye, David, was wealthy. Solomon was wealthy. Wealth is not a problem. Loving it more than God is the problem. Money tends to make people greedy. The more you have, the more you want. It can be a sort of trap that Christ warns about.

The wealth of the Earth belongs to God and he wants it shared...

 

[Moonglow]

How? How am I affected by being surrounded by hypocritical fools?

I'll have to ponder that one over....

And holes in your tighty whities...

 

[waltky]

Granny says...

... who ya callin' a fopdoodle?

 

[The Irish Ram]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

And the not entering Heaven part was just another metaphor?

No, because the Bible doesn't say that the wealthy cannot enter Heaven. To the contrary, God likes to see His children prosper on earth as well as in Heaven.
God's friend Abraham was extremely wealthy. The apple of His eye, David, was wealthy. Solomon was wealthy. Wealth is not a problem. Loving it more than God is the problem. Money tends to make people greedy. The more you have, the more you want. It can be a sort of trap that Christ warns about.

The wealth of the Earth belongs to God and he wants it shared...

It is and He does. And if you share it is counted as righteousness by our Father. Just as it was with Abraham and Lot. In fact, if you return a portion of it to God, He'll give your portion back and a whole lot more. It is the only promise God ever made where He said, "Test me on this.." .
A greedy person hordes his money for himself. He has a love of it that places money above God. And the sad part about that is the rich man really can't take it with him. It's temporary wealth, as opposed to the wealth waiting for us when we get home to Heaven. Christ isn't preparing bungalows for us, but mansions. And the treasure you store up in Heaven is eternal.

 

[Moonglow]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

And the not entering Heaven part was just another metaphor?

No, because the Bible doesn't say that the wealthy cannot enter Heaven. To the contrary, God likes to see His children prosper on earth as well as in Heaven.
God's friend Abraham was extremely wealthy. The apple of His eye, David, was wealthy. Solomon was wealthy. Wealth is not a problem. Loving it more than God is the problem. Money tends to make people greedy. The more you have, the more you want. It can be a sort of trap that Christ warns about.

The wealth of the Earth belongs to God and he wants it shared...

It is and He does. And if you share it is counted as righteousness by our Father. Just as it was with Abraham and Lot. In fact, if you return a portion of it to God, He'll give your portion back and a whole lot more. It is the only promise God ever made where He said, "Test me on this.." .
A greedy person hordes his money for himself. He has a love of it that places money above God. And the sad part about that is the rich man really can't take it with him. It's temporary wealth, as opposed to the wealth waiting for us when we get home to Heaven. Christ isn't preparing bungalows for us, but mansions. And the treasure you store up in Heaven is eternal.

And the newest electronic gadgets...

 

[emilynghiem]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

BTW The Irish Ram and dfens
It does not take that much to curse oneself and others.

All it takes is choosing the path of retribution and unforgiveness.
Whatever ILL you wish for others, comes back to YOU.
And the saddest realization, is if you don't get it,
it will hurt the people around you, too, until you do stop it with the ill will wishing.

We all learn from experience, that when you work to uplift everyone
equally as you would want to be supported, in improving yourself,
solving problems and being and doing the best you can be,
then the same support and grace is afforded to you.

I hope we learn this lesson with politics, and stop the bad karma
and backlash back and forth. Whatever we experience on a collective
level, we are going through locally and personally in our own lives
and relations as a microcosm of the whole. What we see in media
and politics is reflection of both, of people projecting their same
internalized battles onto external groups and targets and airing dirty laundry and bad karma in public!

 

[emilynghiem]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

And the not entering Heaven part was just another metaphor?

No, because the Bible doesn't say that the wealthy cannot enter Heaven. To the contrary, God likes to see His children prosper on earth as well as in Heaven.
God's friend Abraham was extremely wealthy. The apple of His eye, David, was wealthy. Solomon was wealthy. Wealth is not a problem. Loving it more than God is the problem. Money tends to make people greedy. The more you have, the more you want. It can be a sort of trap that Christ warns about.

The wealth of the Earth belongs to God and he wants it shared...

It is and He does. And if you share it is counted as righteousness by our Father. Just as it was with Abraham and Lot. In fact, if you return a portion of it to God, He'll give your portion back and a whole lot more. It is the only promise God ever made where He said, "Test me on this.." .
A greedy person hordes his money for himself. He has a love of it that places money above God. And the sad part about that is the rich man really can't take it with him. It's temporary wealth, as opposed to the wealth waiting for us when we get home to Heaven. Christ isn't preparing bungalows for us, but mansions. And the treasure you store up in Heaven is eternal.

Dear The Irish Ram and Moonglow
And it isn't just with material wealth.
But wealth of knowledge, where this get "monopolized" to benefit some
while others suffer.

The legal system is the worst example I've seen of profiting off problems
instead of assisting people with solving them.

That's not just greed for material things, but for control and authority over decisions.

If we SHARE responsibility for making decisions together,
that's another way to equalize relations with neighbors instead of hording control.

Look what's happening with parties wanting to take full power to cut out the other!
Instead of sharing power and responsibility for managing our own resources
for our own constituents, there is this notion that the dominating party gets
to push their agenda for others? No, only for constituents who espouse those beliefs.

We should share and help all people of all interest and political groups
to represent, manage and develop their own programs that empower their members.

That is where I believe our country is heading.
Not this business of hording control to beat out the next person.
That isn't equal protection of the laws, so why do we let parties run govt this way????

 

[Moonglow]

You don't possess the power to curse a dandelion, d.
To the extent you judge another is the extent you will be judged.
My Christian walk is between me and the Lord. Unless you can see my heart then you do not have the ability to determine whether or not I am true to my faith or a hypocrite.

One of Christ's closest friends was the richest man in the world at the time. Making money is just fine. The love of it, is not.
The eye of the needle was a slit in the wall of the city that enabled people to enter after the city gates were closed. To traverse the eye, a man with many treasures on his camel, had to unload the camel, take it through the narrow opening, and then make trips back and forth to bring his belongings through the narrow opening. The more goods you had the harder it was to get in. Not impossible, but harder. Those are the facts behind the verse you referenced.

And the not entering Heaven part was just another metaphor?

No, because the Bible doesn't say that the wealthy cannot enter Heaven. To the contrary, God likes to see His children prosper on earth as well as in Heaven.
God's friend Abraham was extremely wealthy. The apple of His eye, David, was wealthy. Solomon was wealthy. Wealth is not a problem. Loving it more than God is the problem. Money tends to make people greedy. The more you have, the more you want. It can be a sort of trap that Christ warns about.

The wealth of the Earth belongs to God and he wants it shared...

It is and He does. And if you share it is counted as righteousness by our Father. Just as it was with Abraham and Lot. In fact, if you return a portion of it to God, He'll give your portion back and a whole lot more. It is the only promise God ever made where He said, "Test me on this.." .
A greedy person hordes his money for himself. He has a love of it that places money above God. And the sad part about that is the rich man really can't take it with him. It's temporary wealth, as opposed to the wealth waiting for us when we get home to Heaven. Christ isn't preparing bungalows for us, but mansions. And the treasure you store up in Heaven is eternal.

Dear The Irish Ram and Moonglow
And it isn't just with material wealth.
But wealth of knowledge, where this get "monopolized" to benefit some
while others suffer.

The legal system is the worst example I've seen of profiting off problems
instead of assisting people with solving them.

That's not just greed for material things, but for control and authority over decisions.

If we SHARE responsibility for making decisions together,
that's another way to equalize relations with neighbors instead of hording control.

Look what's happening with parties wanting to take full power to cut out the other!
Instead of sharing power and responsibility for managing our own resources
for our own constituents, there is this notion that the dominating party gets
to push their agenda for others? No, only for constituents who espouse those beliefs.

We should share and help all people of all interest and political groups
to represent, manage and develop their own programs that empower their members.

That is where I believe our country is heading.
Not this business of hording control to beat out the next person.
That isn't equal protection of the laws, so why do we let parties run govt this way????

There is an insidious movement in this nation to return to yesterday's values of superiority by rule of the one...it's not exactly the same as it was yesterday since other variables are included, but it is class warfare, and it is discriminatory...The elites have decided to play divide and conquer with it's own people, yet again in the USA..They don't want to share power but play power politics to pass their agenda of control...Much like other fascist nations have played out in the past...Why do people allow it to happen, identity politics... Like the campaign season was less about policy and more about you're bad, finger pointing populism..These people have no purpose but to create an ideology of superiority...While Americans bicker away at devicive issues and,
Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your Prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks
Anemia~ Tool

 

[hobelim]

OP wrote: when in fact Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven?

He didn't say it was impossible...

... for with God all things are possible...

... he was just making the point it was difficult...

... to leave all that material wealth...

... for the spiritual kingdom of heaven.

The rich man did not boast about having money, he boasted about always following the law ever since he was a boy. Jesus was not telling the man to sell his material wealth. He was telling the man to sell off everything he had bought into about following the literal letter of the law and then follow his teaching about the figurative nature and hidden subjects in the law if he wanted to go all the way to be perfect and have life. It wasn't about giving up his money it was about him giving up everything he had been taught to believe in and hold dear ever since he was born.


His many possessions indicate that the man gained his wealth as a rabbi or head of a synagogue or large congregation that he would have to explain himself to and position that he would have to give up if he were to follow the revelation of Jesus.

Thats why the man walked away with a heavy heart.......


.

I do not agree with that.

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Jesus, knowing the hearts of men, was able to zero in on this man's idol, which was wealth. Since Jesus' command was to SELL and GIVE to the poor, obviously He was talking about physical wealth.

You haven't though about this very deeply have you?

Do you think Jesus told the man to become destitute and then follow Jesus wandering around the Judean countryside? Do you think this story was included in the gospels to teach people that they have to part with all of their material possessions to have treasure in heaven?

If so why do you own anything? Why aren't you wandering around the deserts of Israel ?


Makes no sense.


The rich mans question to Jesus about what he should do to be saved was incredulous. He thought he was already saved and assured a place in the world to come.


The man bragged about his assumed security in adhering to Mosaic law since childhood. Thats what constituted his wealth and what Jesus told the man to sell. By telling the man to follow him Jesus was telling him to follow his interpretation and application of Mosaic law. Thats what would give him rewards in heaven, access to the tree of life, the promise for the righteous compliance with the Law fulfilled whether he was materially rich or poor, Jew or Gentile.

Giving in charity to the poor would reflect instruction to enlighten his followers, or in other words, release the possessions in his captivity, the poor in spirit.


It would be like Jesus telling one of those preachers of a mega church to admit to his many followers that he was wrong and then free them from the captivity of following him in error. Can you name even one who would have the honesty or integrity required to do that? Even the much loved and admired Billy Graham who has made millions of dollars by misleading millions of people into idolatry for decades?


See?

It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it would be for a TV preacher to enter the kingdom of heaven.

One cannot put anything into the cup of the person who is already full of themselves.

That makes sense.

Dude, of course the guy wouldn't be bragging about where he fell short. Jesus, though, knowing the hearts of men, knew that this guy's idol was his wealth. And, of course, Jesus does NOT insist that everyone divest themselves of wealth. That is simply ludicrous. He was, though, telling this one guy to do so because He knew that would puncture his sense of self-righteousness. Every Christian knows this because God always goes straight to whatever it is they hold to be more important than Him.

You are just wrong. The guy approached Jesus and dared him to show where he fell short. He was self assured because he had always followed the Law. This is what he boasted about, this was his wealth.

Jesus told him to sell off all of that and follow him. Sell off his self righteous assurance in the literal application of the law.

What did Jesus mean by telling the man to follow him if not to follow him in his teaching about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subjects of the law, the only right way to follow the law that leads to the fulfillment of the promise of life? Do you think that Jesus wanted the guy to follow him around? Seriously?

How can you or anyone who reads this story sell off all of the false wealth of false teaching that they have accumulated over the years and follow Jesus if not by conforming to the way that Jesus taught to follow the law by word and deed?

Even if you sold everything you owned how could you or anyone follow Jesus any other way?