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  1. L.K.Eder
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    Recently I read about the nickname Devil Dogs for Marines. The story sounded suspiciously like an urban myth. Because the legend is that american soldiers fought so hard in WWI in France that the Germans called them Devil Dogs. But there is no good German word for this. In the US propaganda the faulty german Teufel Hunden was used. That's a sign for an urban myth.

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    so my poll question to the soldiers and the marines on this forum is:

    would you be

    offended because someone casts doubt to be a lame fuck
    sad because the sweet tale was wrong
    indifferent because it has no impact on your status as a soldier
    interested in the origin of this story
    completely broken by the chance that actually the army was called "devil dogs"


    Teufelshunde - Devil Dogs


    EDIT: ok, that was obvious. poll did not work. whatever, the question is in the body of the post
     
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    The Germans did in fact call them just that. It was because of the Battle of Belleau Wood. The Marines attacked the advancing Germans for the first time and drove them back stopping their advance on Paris. The Marines did what pretty much no one else had done, they stopped and drove back the Germans. In rough terrain against the odds. They suffered heavy casualties and the Army defended the area with no more advance for about a month while the Marines reorganized. Upon their return to Belleau Wood they once again attacked and drove back the Germans.

    In WW1 the Press was not allowed to identify Army units by name for some reason. But they were allowed to identify the marines by unit designation. This meant that while army press was generic with no identifier as to which unit did what, the marines were identified in the Press for all their actions, good or bad.

    The Marines were part of an Army division. Simply because there was not a Division of marines available to deploy to Europe.
     
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    i accept everything in your post but the bolded start. this is what i am actually contesting here.

    here is another piece in the urban myth puzzle.

    allegedly german soldiers were calling american soldiers teufel hunden much earlier than the belleau wood battle.

    GERMANS CALL 'EM TEUFEL HUNDEN
    Recruiters Report a New Nickname for Marines "Devil Dogs" a Translation--Call Out for Cavalry Men WHERE TO ENLIST



    only this part of the article is free. i won't pay money to get the whole thing.

    note the date: Apr 14, 1918!

    and note who is reporting this fact: recruiters!


    this propaganda was then really ramped up after the battle of belleau wood.

    and look, it worked. from The Jasper news, August 29, 1918:

    the prospective hun destroyer wanted so badly to be a devil dog, what a sad story.
     
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    Wouldn't really matter at all. I actually never like that particular term anyway.

    But you're still a lame fuck trying to cast doubt with ZERO evidence, regardless the topic.
     
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    There is no urban myth unless you have evidence that proves it. Stop running your yap and produce it, or shut up and go back to your corner.

    And just to clarify, YOUR doubts don't amount to shit.
     
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    Moved to where it belongs. :lol:
     
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    i always felt embarrassed for the LT in heartbreak ridge when he yells, "let's go you devil dogs."

    i don't know why
     
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    Doesn't really matter. I've been called a LOT worse.:lol:
     
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    frankly, i don't get why you take it that personally. this is not meant as an attack.

    i provided proof that the term devil dog did not originate in the battle of belleau wood which took place in june 1918. how would you explain the newspaper article from April 1918 proclaiming the creation of this new term?

    time travel with aliens? since we are in the special zone? lol
     
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    i guess you wanted to answer to the previous post by del. if not, for the record, i did not call you anything.

    i just cast doubt, what is bad about that? nothing. yes
     

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