Detailed major study: immigration is a net loss for US

[Fenton Lum]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

Hmmmm,so? What makes you think we agree with the agenda of the "job creator class?" On the other hand, Obama and the Dim party have been doing their bidding.

That's the thing pard, your entire system does, "both" sides. We elected Trump and Goldman Sachs and friends are right there in the mix as per usual.

Privatized gains verus socialized losses for the Wall Street Bankster class
Internalized profit verus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laizzes-faire capitalism for the masses

Same as it ever was while you're indoctrinated to scape goat the least of us.

Meaningless blather. The bottom line is that Hillary supports flooding this country with cheap foreign labor. Trump opposes it.

Hilary is toast.

Perhaps, but you're still whining about it.

Pfffffffffffft, you want me to, that's all, she shoulda lost, glad she did. Trump's still sucking off Goldman Sachs just like she would have.

 

[bripat9643]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

Hmmmm,so? What makes you think we agree with the agenda of the "job creator class?" On the other hand, Obama and the Dim party have been doing their bidding.

That's the thing pard, your entire system does, "both" sides. We elected Trump and Goldman Sachs and friends are right there in the mix as per usual.

Privatized gains verus socialized losses for the Wall Street Bankster class
Internalized profit verus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laizzes-faire capitalism for the masses

Same as it ever was while you're indoctrinated to scape goat the least of us.

Meaningless blather. The bottom line is that Hillary supports flooding this country with cheap foreign labor. Trump opposes it.

Hilary is toast, Trump's sucking off Goldman Sachs just like she did/would.

Trump obviously had to appoint someone to be Secretary of the Treasury who had actual experience in the banking industry. So no matter who he appointed you would be calling his choice a member of the "Wall Street Bankster class." Who did you expect him to appoint, Bernie fucking Sanders?

 

[Fenton Lum]

The author of the article: Renata Soto is co-founder and executive director of Conexión Américas. She also chairs the board of the National Council of La Raza.

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling this is propaganda?

Mark

LOL! The OP was CNS so I'd say my link and his were non-credible.

Here are some that are more credible:

The report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine found that immigrant workers in the U.S. – both legal and illegal – have the effect of increasing both wages and jobs for educated native-born workers over a decade or more.

The report, Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, also found immigrant workers reduce the prices of goods and services in specific industries, including childcare, food preparation and construction.

Study: Influx of immigrants is overall boost to U.S. workers, economy

Immigrants are essential to economic growth in America. That is the conclusion of a recent report on The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

What are the three reasons why immigrants are important to economic growth? Labor force growth, entrepreneurship and human capital.

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

It's just common sense in the end. Americans don't reproduce at high enough rates to sustain the country. Immigration is key to having loyal, productive Americans.

Interestingly, these two articles (the OP and ravi's) are citing the same report! I would say that the entire report has to be read to get an accurate synopsis of the facts.

In general, I would suspect that immigrants with a higher education would benefit the country, but both the uneducated and the educated are taking jobs away from US citizens. As long as they add to our tax base they could be productive instead of getting subsidies from our government.

Immigrants with high education don't benefit Americans with college diplomas. They take the jobs of these Americans. That's why so many millennial college graduates are living in their mother's basement. India has over 200 million people who are college graduates, and corporate American is flooding us with these people because it's cheaper to hire someone where the average wage is $5/hour than to hire a native born American who normally earns $50/hour.

So many millennial college graduates are living in their mother's basement because this society decided to turn them into debt peons.

If anyone did that, it was you and your fellow Dims. You're the ones who have been doing everything possible to flood this country with cheap foreign labor to take their jobs away, and you're the ones who have caused college costs to go into the stratosphere.

It is bipartisan and stretches waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back son, locate a clue as to how your power structure functions.

 

[Fenton Lum]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

Hmmmm,so? What makes you think we agree with the agenda of the "job creator class?" On the other hand, Obama and the Dim party have been doing their bidding.

That's the thing pard, your entire system does, "both" sides. We elected Trump and Goldman Sachs and friends are right there in the mix as per usual.

Privatized gains verus socialized losses for the Wall Street Bankster class
Internalized profit verus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laizzes-faire capitalism for the masses

Same as it ever was while you're indoctrinated to scape goat the least of us.

Meaningless blather. The bottom line is that Hillary supports flooding this country with cheap foreign labor. Trump opposes it.

Hilary is toast, Trump's sucking off Goldman Sachs just like she did/would.

Trump obviously had to appoint someone to be Secretary of the Treasury who had actual experience in the banking industry. So no matter who he appointed you would be calling his choice a member of the "Wall Street Bankster class." Who did you expect him to appoint, Bernie fucking Sanders?

Goldman Sachs, same as it ever was. Continuity across "both" "liberals" and "conservatives".

 

[bripat9643]

LOL! The OP was CNS so I'd say my link and his were non-credible.

Here are some that are more credible:

The report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine found that immigrant workers in the U.S. – both legal and illegal – have the effect of increasing both wages and jobs for educated native-born workers over a decade or more.

The report, Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration, also found immigrant workers reduce the prices of goods and services in specific industries, including childcare, food preparation and construction.

Study: Influx of immigrants is overall boost to U.S. workers, economy

Immigrants are essential to economic growth in America. That is the conclusion of a recent report on The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration released by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

What are the three reasons why immigrants are important to economic growth? Labor force growth, entrepreneurship and human capital.

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

It's just common sense in the end. Americans don't reproduce at high enough rates to sustain the country. Immigration is key to having loyal, productive Americans.

Interestingly, these two articles (the OP and ravi's) are citing the same report! I would say that the entire report has to be read to get an accurate synopsis of the facts.

In general, I would suspect that immigrants with a higher education would benefit the country, but both the uneducated and the educated are taking jobs away from US citizens. As long as they add to our tax base they could be productive instead of getting subsidies from our government.

Immigrants with high education don't benefit Americans with college diplomas. They take the jobs of these Americans. That's why so many millennial college graduates are living in their mother's basement. India has over 200 million people who are college graduates, and corporate American is flooding us with these people because it's cheaper to hire someone where the average wage is $5/hour than to hire a native born American who normally earns $50/hour.

So many millennial college graduates are living in their mother's basement because this society decided to turn them into debt peons.

If anyone did that, it was you and your fellow Dims. You're the ones who have been doing everything possible to flood this country with cheap foreign labor to take their jobs away, and you're the ones who have caused college costs to go into the stratosphere.

It is bipartisan and stretches waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back son, locate a clue as to how your power structure functions.

Who could he appoint that would make you happy? We're all dying to know.

 

[bripat9643]

Hmmmm,so? What makes you think we agree with the agenda of the "job creator class?" On the other hand, Obama and the Dim party have been doing their bidding.

That's the thing pard, your entire system does, "both" sides. We elected Trump and Goldman Sachs and friends are right there in the mix as per usual.

Privatized gains verus socialized losses for the Wall Street Bankster class
Internalized profit verus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laizzes-faire capitalism for the masses

Same as it ever was while you're indoctrinated to scape goat the least of us.

Meaningless blather. The bottom line is that Hillary supports flooding this country with cheap foreign labor. Trump opposes it.

Hilary is toast, Trump's sucking off Goldman Sachs just like she did/would.

Trump obviously had to appoint someone to be Secretary of the Treasury who had actual experience in the banking industry. So no matter who he appointed you would be calling his choice a member of the "Wall Street Bankster class." Who did you expect him to appoint, Bernie fucking Sanders?

Goldman Sachs, same as it ever was. Continuity across "both" "liberals" and "conservatives".

Who should he have appointed, numskull?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Interestingly, these two articles (the OP and ravi's) are citing the same report! I would say that the entire report has to be read to get an accurate synopsis of the facts.

In general, I would suspect that immigrants with a higher education would benefit the country, but both the uneducated and the educated are taking jobs away from US citizens. As long as they add to our tax base they could be productive instead of getting subsidies from our government.

Immigrants with high education don't benefit Americans with college diplomas. They take the jobs of these Americans. That's why so many millennial college graduates are living in their mother's basement. India has over 200 million people who are college graduates, and corporate American is flooding us with these people because it's cheaper to hire someone where the average wage is $5/hour than to hire a native born American who normally earns $50/hour.

So many millennial college graduates are living in their mother's basement because this society decided to turn them into debt peons.

If anyone did that, it was you and your fellow Dims. You're the ones who have been doing everything possible to flood this country with cheap foreign labor to take their jobs away, and you're the ones who have caused college costs to go into the stratosphere.

It is bipartisan and stretches waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back son, locate a clue as to how your power structure functions.

Who could he appoint that would make you happy? We're all dying to know.

No you're not, you're just a snotty little partisanshithead.

 

[rightwinger]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
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No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Why is the value of a worker only measured in the taxes that they pay rather than the value their labor provides to society?

 

[Fenton Lum]

That's the thing pard, your entire system does, "both" sides. We elected Trump and Goldman Sachs and friends are right there in the mix as per usual.

Privatized gains verus socialized losses for the Wall Street Bankster class
Internalized profit verus externalized risk and expense for the "job creator" class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laizzes-faire capitalism for the masses

Same as it ever was while you're indoctrinated to scape goat the least of us.

Meaningless blather. The bottom line is that Hillary supports flooding this country with cheap foreign labor. Trump opposes it.

Hilary is toast, Trump's sucking off Goldman Sachs just like she did/would.

Trump obviously had to appoint someone to be Secretary of the Treasury who had actual experience in the banking industry. So no matter who he appointed you would be calling his choice a member of the "Wall Street Bankster class." Who did you expect him to appoint, Bernie fucking Sanders?

Goldman Sachs, same as it ever was. Continuity across "both" "liberals" and "conservatives".

Who should he have appointed, numskull?

You would have thought most reasonable folks would have figured out the ruse by at least the bank bailouts of 2007-08. Initiated under a "conservative" administration, and then continued under a "liberal" administration advertized as all hopey-changey. Same economic “advisement” team. Phucking phenomenal that some folks can still cling to this partisanshithead perceptual reality.

 

[Londoner]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

You're talking to people who don't understand how illegal immigration feeds the Republican Machine.

The wealthy donor class wants cheap labor for their businesses.

The manipulated lower classes require food for their nativist, xenophobic fantasies of a nation lost.

Win win.

 

[bripat9643]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Why is the value of a worker only measured in the taxes that they pay rather than the value their labor provides to society?

That's exactly how consumers value a work, by the value their labor provides to society.

 

[bripat9643]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

You're talking to people who don't understand how illegal immigration feeds the Republican Machine.

The wealthy donor class wants cheap labor for their businesses.

The manipulated lower classes require food for their nativist, xenophobic fantasies of a nation lost.

Win win.

Illegal immigration does nothing for the "Republican machine." Only Democrats benefit from immigration, whether it's legal or not. The "wealthy donor class" you refer to are Democrats.

You're utterly full of shit.

 

[Fenton Lum]

If your "job creator" class had not and did not continually lobby for the presence of labor more exploitable than americans, they would not be here.

You're talking to people who don't understand how illegal immigration feeds the Republican Machine.

The wealthy donor class wants cheap labor for their businesses.

The manipulated lower classes require food for their nativist, xenophobic fantasies of a nation lost.

Win win.

Illegal immigration does nothing for the "Republican machine." Only Democrats benefit from immigration, whether it's legal or not. The "wealthy donor class" you refer to are Democrats.

You're utterly full of shit.

Someone is, yeah.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Why is the value of a worker only measured in the taxes that they pay rather than the value their labor provides to society?

That's exactly how consumers value a work, by the value their labor provides to society.

Pfffffffffffft, american consumers apparently value chinese, mexican, Guatemalan, taiwanese, bangladeshi, etc. labor.

 

[bripat9643]

Meaningless blather. The bottom line is that Hillary supports flooding this country with cheap foreign labor. Trump opposes it.

Hilary is toast, Trump's sucking off Goldman Sachs just like she did/would.

Trump obviously had to appoint someone to be Secretary of the Treasury who had actual experience in the banking industry. So no matter who he appointed you would be calling his choice a member of the "Wall Street Bankster class." Who did you expect him to appoint, Bernie fucking Sanders?

Goldman Sachs, same as it ever was. Continuity across "both" "liberals" and "conservatives".

Who should he have appointed, numskull?

You would have thought most reasonable folks would have figured out the ruse by at least the bank bailouts of 2007-08. Initiated under a "conservative" administration, and then continued under a "liberal" administration advertized as all hopey-changey. Same economic “advisement” team. Phucking phenomenal that some folks can still cling to this partisanshithead perceptual reality.

Your theory that you aren't "partisan" couldn't be more unbelievable. You've done nothing but attack Trump for the last 18 months.

 

[bripat9643]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Why is the value of a worker only measured in the taxes that they pay rather than the value their labor provides to society?

That's exactly how consumers value a work, by the value their labor provides to society.

Pfffffffffffft, american consumers apparently value chinese, mexican, Guatemalan, taiwanese, bangladeshi, etc. labor.

Failing to get the point is one of your special talents.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Hilary is toast, Trump's sucking off Goldman Sachs just like she did/would.

Trump obviously had to appoint someone to be Secretary of the Treasury who had actual experience in the banking industry. So no matter who he appointed you would be calling his choice a member of the "Wall Street Bankster class." Who did you expect him to appoint, Bernie fucking Sanders?

Goldman Sachs, same as it ever was. Continuity across "both" "liberals" and "conservatives".

Who should he have appointed, numskull?

You would have thought most reasonable folks would have figured out the ruse by at least the bank bailouts of 2007-08. Initiated under a "conservative" administration, and then continued under a "liberal" administration advertized as all hopey-changey. Same economic “advisement” team. Phucking phenomenal that some folks can still cling to this partisanshithead perceptual reality.

Your theory that you aren't "partisan" couldn't be more unbelievable. You've done nothing but attack Trump for the last 18 months.

That's because he's a loud mouthed idiot son. What I/m attempting to get through your indoctrinated little head is that your power structure doesn't operate on partisanshit, the little people are to. Hilary, Trump, never really mattered, Goldman Sachs and Co was bound to win, and did, yet again, same as it ever was. Trump is a dick. Hilary is a ****. See how that works?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Why is the value of a worker only measured in the taxes that they pay rather than the value their labor provides to society?

That's exactly how consumers value a work, by the value their labor provides to society.

Pfffffffffffft, american consumers apparently value chinese, mexican, Guatemalan, taiwanese, bangladeshi, etc. labor.

Failing to get the point is one of your special talents.

American consumers apparently value chinese, mexican, Guatemalan, taiwanese, bangladeshi, etc. labor, don't they now.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump obviously had to appoint someone to be Secretary of the Treasury who had actual experience in the banking industry. So no matter who he appointed you would be calling his choice a member of the "Wall Street Bankster class." Who did you expect him to appoint, Bernie fucking Sanders?

Goldman Sachs, same as it ever was. Continuity across "both" "liberals" and "conservatives".

Who should he have appointed, numskull?

You would have thought most reasonable folks would have figured out the ruse by at least the bank bailouts of 2007-08. Initiated under a "conservative" administration, and then continued under a "liberal" administration advertized as all hopey-changey. Same economic “advisement” team. Phucking phenomenal that some folks can still cling to this partisanshithead perceptual reality.

Your theory that you aren't "partisan" couldn't be more unbelievable. You've done nothing but attack Trump for the last 18 months.

That's because he's a loud mouthed idiot son. What I/m attempting to get through your indoctrinated little head is that your power structure doesn't operate on partisanshit, the little people are to. Hilary, Trump, never really mattered, Goldman Sachs and Co was bound to win, and did, yet again, same as it ever was. Trump is a dick. Hilary is a ****. See how that works?

I see that you're an endless geyser of meaningless blather.

 

[bripat9643]

Current Immigration Does Not Economically Benefit Ordinary US Citizens

"Finally, the report examines the fiscal impact of immigration, considering eight different scenarios. In all scenarios, immigrants as a group are in fiscal deficit; the total federal, state, and local government benefits they receive are greater than the total taxes they pay, in both the first and second generations. The NAS report shatters any contention that immigration, as structured in recent decades, contributes to overall government solvency. The opposite is true.

The report makes clear that immigrants without a high school diploma, on average, generate substantial fiscal deficits, paying less in taxes than they receive in benefits in every scenario examined. By contrast, across all scenarios, immigrants with a college degree or more create a fiscal surplus. Thus, the fiscal impact of immigration depends on the educational balance within the immigrant population. Based on the report’s findings, both the economic and fiscal impact of immigration can be improved in the future by reducing the number of low skill immigrants and increasing the number of high skill immigrants."
===============================

No surprise there, those future democraptic party voters sneaking across the border and gleefully living off the US taxpayer are going to lead to a mass uprising, and hopefully the end of the democraptic party. It will also hopefully lead to the end of the NYT and other cheerleaders/apologists for mass illegal immigration and legal immigration, which the US desperately needs a 25 year + time out from.

Why is the value of a worker only measured in the taxes that they pay rather than the value their labor provides to society?

That's exactly how consumers value a work, by the value their labor provides to society.

Pfffffffffffft, american consumers apparently value chinese, mexican, Guatemalan, taiwanese, bangladeshi, etc. labor.

Failing to get the point is one of your special talents.

American consumers apparently value chinese, mexican, Guatemalan, taiwanese, bangladeshi, etc. labor, don't they now.

No they don't. How much do they get paid?