Mr. Peepers
Senior Member
If you have a couple of kids in NYC and you can't make it making $200K, you have som SERIOUS issues with spending. That's a lot of money, even for here.
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You know this is killing them! They will probably just float this around until after the elections and then let them expire for everyone....
Maybe you should try living in New York with kids making $200,000 as a family before you make your judgment. Or at least talk to people like this and ask them if they feel upper class..... I'm pretty sure that won't happen though.
I DO live in New York, asshole, and I am squarely in the real middle class. As in @ 50K. I definitely don't feel upper class, but I am not struggling and can afford to live by myself and save a little. Many families here make much less and very, very few people here have a mortgage, as a 1 bedroom in Manhattan usually starts at over $1 million. Most people rent. You really shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
Maybe you should try living in New York with kids making $200,000 as a family before you make your judgment. Or at least talk to people like this and ask them if they feel upper class..... I'm pretty sure that won't happen though.
I DO live in New York, asshole, and I am squarely in the real middle class. As in @ 50K. I definitely don't feel upper class, but I am not struggling and can afford to live by myself and save a little. Many families here make much less and very, very few people here have a mortgage, as a 1 bedroom in Manhattan usually starts at over $1 million. Most people rent. You really shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
You have a family of four and you make 50K and live in the NYC areas and you say you are middle class and comfortable?
I say you are full of shit.
If you have a couple of kids in NYC and you can't make it making $200K, you have som SERIOUS issues with spending. That's a lot of money, even for here.
"The vast majority of taxpayers saw no change in their income taxes as a result of the 1993 law. CBO estimates that most households paid only $38 more per year, as a result of the 4.3 cent per gallon increase in the gas tax."
Families making over $200K in major metro areas are not uber wealthy - they are middle class.
Families making over $200K in major metro areas are not uber wealthy - they are middle class.
Quite correct - any family making a bit over $200k with a couple of kids in a metro area throughout the United States is hardly "wealthy".
The Democrats are, just as the OP indicates, engaged in a painful practice of trying to parse the Bush tax cuts. These Democrats were and are against ALL cuts in the tax rates but with Election 2010 quickly approaching, some within the party are scrambling to try and save some of those very tax cuts they were so opposed to.
In the New York City area, 200K is nothing more than middle class
Wrong. It is still upper class. The median income in NYC is @ 37K
15 miles out of the city a one bedroom apartment is $1500/month NOT including utilities.
I live in Brooklyn less than 10 miles from Manhattan and I pay $1183 for a huge 1BR/all utilities included except power and cable w/ elevator and laundry on premesis.
A pack of cigarettes costs $11.00.
Who cares? I don't smoke
The cost of the Long Island Rail Road to commute from 15 miles out of the city is $265 a month.
My commute is 45 minutes door to door on the subway at $89 for unlimited rides per month. That works out to about $2.22 a day for transportation. I don't have a car - don't need one.
To drive to the city will cost you $15 in tolls a day plus parking of $20 a day. Plus gas of 3.00/per gallon
There is a commuter tax even if you dont commute.
I don't commute and no one commutes to the city by car unless you are wealthy and have a driver. EVERYONE commutes by bus and train. Don't worry. I just took an office poll.
There are state income taxes AND city income taxes along with federal income taxes
Yes, there are, but we have to keep up public transit among other programs that are important to the success of our community. WE understand that.
200K in the NYC area is center middle class at best.
Nope, it's still upper class.
Families making over $200K in major metro areas are not uber wealthy - they are middle class.
Bullshit. The Census Bureau shows the middle class as 20% of the country earning between $40,000 and $95,000 annually. People making $200K a year are considered to be part of the upper class.
NOW. Politics & Economy. Who is the Middle Class? Overview | PBS
And that is quite convenient that a government bureaucracy spins such nonsense.
It's only in recent times that people who live in 3 bedroom 2 bath tract homes in the suburbs of major metros are considered upper class. And why is this? To provide a pretext to increase their taxes. They are wager earners who work for a living - and unable to shelter investment income the way the truly wealthy do. They are, for the most part, trapped. Many have houses with eroded or negative equity so selling and moving is problematic. Quitting their jobs to move to a low tax area is infeasible. Yep. They're trapped. And the politicians know it and are setting them up.
Families making over $200K in major metro areas are not uber wealthy - they are middle class.
Bullshit. The Census Bureau shows the middle class as 20% of the country earning between $40,000 and $95,000 annually. People making $200K a year are considered to be part of the upper class.
NOW. Politics & Economy. Who is the Middle Class? Overview | PBS
Families making over $200K in major metro areas are not uber wealthy - they are middle class.
Bullshit. The Census Bureau shows the middle class as 20% of the country earning between $40,000 and $95,000 annually. People making $200K a year are considered to be part of the upper class.
NOW. Politics & Economy. Who is the Middle Class? Overview | PBS
And that is quite convenient that a government bureaucracy spins such nonsense.
It's only in recent times that people who live in 3 bedroom 2 bath tract homes in the suburbs of major metros are considered upper class. And why is this? To provide a pretext to increase their taxes. They are wager earners who work for a living - and unable to shelter investment income the way the truly wealthy do. They are, for the most part, trapped. Many have houses with eroded or negative equity so selling and moving is problematic. Quitting their jobs to move to a low tax area is infeasible. Yep. They're trapped. And the politicians know it and are setting them up.
Sorry, but 200K a year is above middle class, no matter how you spin it. The average income in the US is @40K. Probably lower now...
You made that shit up.
Bullshit. The Census Bureau shows the middle class as 20% of the country earning between $40,000 and $95,000 annually. People making $200K a year are considered to be part of the upper class.
NOW. Politics & Economy. Who is the Middle Class? Overview | PBS
And that is quite convenient that a government bureaucracy spins such nonsense.
It's only in recent times that people who live in 3 bedroom 2 bath tract homes in the suburbs of major metros are considered upper class. And why is this? To provide a pretext to increase their taxes. They are wager earners who work for a living - and unable to shelter investment income the way the truly wealthy do. They are, for the most part, trapped. Many have houses with eroded or negative equity so selling and moving is problematic. Quitting their jobs to move to a low tax area is infeasible. Yep. They're trapped. And the politicians know it and are setting them up.
Quite correct.
Democrat Party Class Warfare 101...
Families making over $200K in major metro areas are not uber wealthy - they are middle class.
Bullshit. The Census Bureau shows the middle class as 20% of the country earning between $40,000 and $95,000 annually. People making $200K a year are considered to be part of the upper class.
NOW. Politics & Economy. Who is the Middle Class? Overview | PBS
Maybe you should try living in New York with kids making $200,000 as a family before you make your judgment. Or at least talk to people like this and ask them if they feel upper class..... I'm pretty sure that won't happen though.
Maybe you should try living in New York with kids making $200,000 as a family before you make your judgment. Or at least talk to people like this and ask them if they feel upper class..... I'm pretty sure that won't happen though.
I DO live in New York, asshole, and I am squarely in the real middle class. As in @ 50K. I definitely don't feel upper class, but I am not struggling and can afford to live by myself and save a little. Many families here make much less and very, very few people here have a mortgage, as a 1 bedroom in Manhattan usually starts at over $1 million. Most people rent. You really shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.
Maybe you should try living in New York with kids making $200,000 as a family before you make your judgment. Or at least talk to people like this and ask them if they feel upper class..... I'm pretty sure that won't happen though.
I DO live in New York, asshole, and I am squarely in the real middle class. As in @ 50K. I definitely don't feel upper class, but I am not struggling and can afford to live by myself and save a little. Many families here make much less and very, very few people here have a mortgage, as a 1 bedroom in Manhattan usually starts at over $1 million. Most people rent. You really shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about.