Dems Without a Prayer!!

[dilloduck]

Well, that almost sounds like they want it to be Democratic or something....

and even have INPUT OMG :rotflmao:

 

[007]

I will no longer resort to obscene, vulgar or otherwise inflammatory speech for reasons of my own.

I cannot believe someone could be so uneducated and uninformed.

Hmmm... didn't take long to shoot that declaration of self control in the ass.

You've made a lasting impression with me boy. You have got to be the WORST and most ARROGANT, BREATHY, LOVES TO HEAR THEMSELF TALK, I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE STUPID, person to hit this board in a looooong time. You're just like a child molester, you won't change no matter how much time goes by.

You remind me of that bastard sexual predator slick willie, who didn't have the class of an alley rat to resign after he was impeached. They would have had to drag his ass out of the White House kicking and screaming as well, just like you "not leaving willingly" here. You liberals are a mouthy sort. I just wish I could meat someone like you face to face. You wouldn't have that smart little mouth then.

 

[Gunny]

I do not condone abortion, you condone the act of depriving a person of their liberty. You support the anti-choice position. Any woman who disagrees with you or those who voted with you has my permission and support when she takes up arms against you and those who agree with you to defend herself. She has my permission to shoot your police officers, your judge, your jury, your President and to disobey any of your laws that infringes upon her fundamental rights.

If you want to be responsible for the the behavior, you should be responsible for the bullet which explodes your head when the woman defends herself against your act of trespass against her body. She has as much right to defend herself against you as she does in defending herself against someone who votes that she is required to have an abortion and who seeks to carry it out.

You want to deprive the woman of any responsibility or accountability. Fine, if you don't want the child to be aborted you should be responsible and accountable for your choice. You therefore should provide for the child, care for the child nurture the child, and to do this you need to do it outside of the body of the woman. It is time you people get some common sense knocked into you. You advocate one simple thing: If I tell a woman she can't have an abortion she won't have an abortion, she will do as she is fucking told, carry the child of the state against her will, and if she doesn't not agree with my state-endorsed rape she can go fuck herself, and when she is done carrying our child to term, we might allow her to keep it, but if she doesn't want it then we can accept the consequence of our rape." You do not even realize what you advocate. It is RAPE you advocate. A woman who is forced to carry a child to term that she does not want is being raped. She is being violated, and that is the most disgusting thing imaginable to the human mind, it is as depraved as you are, you are evil incarnate and the ideals you represent are evil. May God look with mercy upon you, and your kind for he loves both the unborn and the woman, and he doesn't like what you are doing to his child in support of another of his children. He supports Democrats who lovingly beseech women to have the child, and to provide support for the woman throughout the pregnancy, he is against your assault against a woman. Evil is evil and I am not afraid to call you on it. Repent of your evil or you will pay for the sins you meet out on a woman. On judgment day God will ask, "why did you rape that woman, why didn't you do as I would do, and love her and help her to make the right choice, why did you instead choose to force her, you are no different then someone who throws a woman to the ground and forces her to have sex. Be gone from my site for rapists will not have part in my kingdom."

This has got to be absolutely THE most dishonest, distorted, and stupid argument I have ever heard on the topic of abortion. You not only condone murder, but you condone treason as well. The you go so far as to use God to argue that abortion is right?

Why is it I somehow see God not particulalry fond of those who murder unborn children to whom He has given life?

You're just another dishonest, leftwingnut with a few screws loose.

BTW ....when you and your little "army" want to come knock some sense into me, bring weapons. You'll need them.

 

[theim]

Pale Rider. I don't give a crap what you think. She crossed the line when she advocated using force to prohibit women from having abortions. Saddam Hussein is no different, except he didn't have the majority supporting him or giving him the right to speak. She and Saddam Hussein are the same kind of person, but unlike Saddam Hussein she hides behind the voting booth. She is not a devout Christian, instead she is a devout "do what I say or else I will use the law to force you do what I say" kind of person which is not Christian in the least. Nor do I intend on watching what I say. Why don't you and Bonnie go blow up an abortion clinic. Wait. You won't do that, you prefer to use the law to accomplish your evil designs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com

I think you will be happy there. It's dark, dank, and gloomy. Full of people who like to compare Christians to Saddam Hussein. Perfect for the growth of fungal lifeforms like yourself.

 

[CSM]

...
P.S. Democracy is tyranny. It is an abomination. It is the government to be feared the most, for a king can be easily removed by force if he violates the rights of his subjects, a majority cannot be removed easily by force without much effort and violence and this is why democracies are always violent in their deaths.

wow...no wonder there are so many failing nations around...(sarcasm)

So when are you moving to someplace more in line with your way of thinking? Obviously, it wont be anyplace that has a democratic government!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

This thread makes me proud. All the lib bashing that has gone on was of a very high quality.

Look at edward. The left no longer believes in representative government, because the majority has rejected their socialist, suicide meme.

 

[theim]

"P.S. Democracy is tyranny. It is an abomination. It is the government to be feared the most, for a king can be easily removed by force if he violates the rights of his subjects, a majority cannot be removed easily by force without much effort and violence and this is why democracies are always violent in their deaths."

Well there it is, right from the horse's mouth.

People should have rights! They should all have the rights I TELL THEM THEY CAN HAVE, AND IF THOSE UNWASHED MASSES OF HUMAN FILTH THINK THEY KNOW BETTER, THEY CAN TAKE IT UP WITH MY SECRET POLICE, AND AFTER A FEW HOURS IN THE "SPECIAL ROOM", THEY TOO WILL AGREE THAT PEOPLE NEED RIGHTS THAT ONLY I AM INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO GRANT. NOW GET IN LINE AND MEET THOSE QUOTAS!

Freedom is slavery.

 

[musicman]

"P.S. Democracy is tyranny. It is an abomination. It is the government to be feared the most, for a king can be easily removed by force if he violates the rights of his subjects, a majority cannot be removed easily by force without much effort and violence and this is why democracies are always violent in their deaths."

Well there it is, right from the horse's mouth.

People should have rights! They should all have the rights I TELL THEM THEY CAN HAVE, AND IF THOSE UNWASHED MASSES OF HUMAN FILTH THINK THEY KNOW BETTER, THEY CAN TAKE IT UP WITH MY SECRET POLICE, AND AFTER A FEW HOURS IN THE "SPECIAL ROOM", THEY TOO WILL AGREE THAT PEOPLE NEED RIGHTS THAT ONLY I AM INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO GRANT. NOW GET IN LINE AND MEET THOSE QUOTAS!

Freedom is slavery.

"Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We wouldn't let the people have guns - why would we let them have ideas?" - N. Lenin

 

[Edward]

Let's summarize the Democratic and Republican Party position on abortion.

Democrat: Abortion should be legal. Abortion should be safe. Abortion should be rare. Provide incentives to women to not have an abortion but allow her to make the final decision.

Republican: Abortion should be illegal. Don't provide incentives for women to not have an abortion. Instead prohibit abortion.

Democrats will always stand against Republicans on this issue, we believe in liberty, and therefore oppose any and all attempts by Republicans to take away the liberties of individual Americans. Such decisions as to whether to have an abortion is best left up to the individual and their medical doctor, not some all-powerful, ominipotent state. We believe in educating women, informing them of their options, and providing them with the resources to make the correct choice, at which point we allow their free agency to take effect, and hope that they will make the correct choice.

We will not back down on this issue. Republicans care nothing for the woman, believing that the unborn childs rights always take precedence over the woman's. What Democrats realize and Republicans fail to realize is that the state is not accountable for its choices, but individuals are. If the state makes the wrong choice the state is left intact, and continues onward in its march. On the other hand, a mother is accountable for her choices. She will have to live with her individual choice for years, and will have to pay the ultimate price. The state on the other hand, having made the wrong choice places the burden on the system, not on the individual. Individual accountability does not exist. The voter can pass the buck, the legislator can pass the buck, the courts can pass the buck, and the President can pass the buck. Blame can be placed elsewhere with someone else. The choice was made, but no responsibility taken or accountability had. That is why Democrats believe that the state is not have the best interest of the mother, child, and other family members at heart. It is a heartless machine.

Again, Democrats do not promote abortion, we promote adoption incentives, but allow for the final choice to be made by the mother. Republicans on the other hand believe, "the woman can shut up and do as she is told." This is where the Democratic Party position and the Republican position differ. It is not that we are pro-abortion, it is that the Republican party is anti-choice and pro-state. Democrats are pro-life, and pro-choice.

I ask one simple question of hypocritical Republicans: Will you consent to have an abortion if you were required to under law? If not, why won't you allow the same liberty to those who desire to have an abortion. What is it you are afraid of? Are you afraid you aren't able to convince the woman to have the child, keeping it, and/or putting it up for adoption. Why must the Democrats be pro-family, and Republicans anti-family?

"Government's don't raise children, people do. People who bring children into this world have a responsibility to care for them and give them values, motivation and discipline." - Democratic Party Platform.

Republicans on the other hand, favor adoption over abortion and over a mother and father keeping their child. They would whether have someone other than the biological parent rear the child.

 

[OCA]

Let's summarize the Democratic and Republican Party position on abortion.

Democrat: Abortion should be legal. Abortion should be safe. Abortion should be rare. Provide incentives to women to not have an abortion but allow her to make the final decision.

Republican: Abortion should be illegal. Don't provide incentives for women to not have an abortion. Instead prohibit abortion.

Democrats will always stand against Republicans on this issue, we believe in liberty, and therefore oppose any and all attempts by Republicans to take away the liberties of individual Americans. Such decisions as to whether to have an abortion is best left up to the individual and their medical doctor, not some all-powerful, ominipotent state. We believe in educating women, informing them of their options, and providing them with the resources to make the correct choice, at which point we allow their free agency to take effect, and hope that they will make the correct choice.

We will not back down on this issue. Republicans care nothing for the woman, believing that the unborn childs rights always take precedence over the woman's. What Democrats realize and Republicans fail to realize is that the state is not accountable for its choices, but individuals are. If the state makes the wrong choice the state is left intact, and continues onward in its march. On the other hand, a mother is accountable for her choices. She will have to live with her individual choice for years, and will have to pay the ultimate price. The state on the other hand, having made the wrong choice places the burden on the system, not on the individual. Individual accountability does not exist. The voter can pass the buck, the legislator can pass the buck, the courts can pass the buck, and the President can pass the buck. Blame can be placed elsewhere with someone else. The choice was made, but no responsibility taken or accountability had. That is why Democrats believe that the state is not have the best interest of the mother, child, and other family members at heart. It is a heartless machine.

Again, Democrats do not promote abortion, we promote adoption incentives, but allow for the final choice to be made by the mother. Republicans on the other hand believe, "the woman can shut up and do as she is told." This is where the Democratic Party position and the Republican position differ. It is not that we are pro-abortion, it is that the Republican party is anti-choice and pro-state. Democrats are pro-life, and pro-choice.

I ask one simple question of hypocritical Republicans: Will you consent to have an abortion if you were required to under law? If not, why won't you allow the same liberty to those who desire to have an abortion. What is it you are afraid of? Are you afraid you aren't able to convince the woman to have the child, keeping it, and/or putting it up for adoption. Why must the Democrats be pro-family, and Republicans anti-family?

"Government's don't raise children, people do. People who bring children into this world have a responsibility to care for them and give them values, motivation and discipline." - Democratic Party Platform.

Republicans on the other hand, favor adoption over abortion and over a mother and father keeping their child. They would whether have someone other than the biological parent rear the child.

I just read this and other stuff you've written and have held off replying but this, this is over the top. Its so full of rhetoric and half truths that it basically renders itself unreplyable

 

[dilloduck]

Let's summarize the Democratic and Republican Party position on abortion.

Democrat: Abortion should be legal. Abortion should be safe. Abortion should be rare. Provide incentives to women to not have an abortion but allow her to make the final decision.

Republican: Abortion should be illegal. Don't provide incentives for women to not have an abortion. Instead prohibit abortion.

Democrats will always stand against Republicans on this issue, we believe in liberty, and therefore oppose any and all attempts by Republicans to take away the liberties of individual Americans. Such decisions as to whether to have an abortion is best left up to the individual and their medical doctor, not some all-powerful, ominipotent state. We believe in educating women, informing them of their options, and providing them with the resources to make the correct choice, at which point we allow their free agency to take effect, and hope that they will make the correct choice.

We will not back down on this issue. Republicans care nothing for the woman, believing that the unborn childs rights always take precedence over the woman's. What Democrats realize and Republicans fail to realize is that the state is not accountable for its choices, but individuals are. If the state makes the wrong choice the state is left intact, and continues onward in its march. On the other hand, a mother is accountable for her choices. She will have to live with her individual choice for years, and will have to pay the ultimate price. The state on the other hand, having made the wrong choice places the burden on the system, not on the individual. Individual accountability does not exist. The voter can pass the buck, the legislator can pass the buck, the courts can pass the buck, and the President can pass the buck. Blame can be placed elsewhere with someone else. The choice was made, but no responsibility taken or accountability had. That is why Democrats believe that the state is not have the best interest of the mother, child, and other family members at heart. It is a heartless machine.

Again, Democrats do not promote abortion, we promote adoption incentives, but allow for the final choice to be made by the mother. Republicans on the other hand believe, "the woman can shut up and do as she is told." This is where the Democratic Party position and the Republican position differ. It is not that we are pro-abortion, it is that the Republican party is anti-choice and pro-state. Democrats are pro-life, and pro-choice.

I ask one simple question of hypocritical Republicans: Will you consent to have an abortion if you were required to under law? If not, why won't you allow the same liberty to those who desire to have an abortion. What is it you are afraid of? Are you afraid you aren't able to convince the woman to have the child, keeping it, and/or putting it up for adoption. Why must the Democrats be pro-family, and Republicans anti-family?

"Government's don't raise children, people do. People who bring children into this world have a responsibility to care for them and give them values, motivation and discipline." - Democratic Party Platform.

Republicans on the other hand, favor adoption over abortion and over a mother and father keeping their child. They would whether have someone other than the biological parent rear the child.

dang---I hardly know where to start
how about pro-lifers just want the kid to have the right to live?-----the mother apparently doesn't cause it will incovenience her.

 

[OCA]

Conservatives are against abortion being used as form of birth control, period. Currently 97% of all abortions performed in the states fall into this category.......by definition this is infanticide. Yes the dems by supporting abortion by default support infanticide. Can't have one without the other.

 

[Edward]

This thread makes me proud. All the lib bashing that has gone on was of a very high quality.

Look at edward. The left no longer believes in representative government, because the majority has rejected their socialist, suicide meme.

I support representative government. I do not support democracy. There is a difference. When the state becomes authoritarian it is as a result of one of two possible trends, all power concentrated in the hands of one person, or in the hands of many people. Put simply, where I can point my finger at a King, a President, a Congressman, I cannot point my finger at a voter. The voter by nature of the electoral process is immune. When all power rests in the hands of the people it is tyranny, when it rests in the hands of a King or other individual it is tyranny. Either way, democracy is an abomination. A republic is good. Democracy, bad. Republic, good. Monarchy, bad. Republic, good.

You deliberately and knowingly acted like a republican and lied yet again. What lengths won't you go to defame the position of liberals. We stand for liberty and you hate it. You republicans are all alike. Democracy is just another form of tyranny and you demand it. Well, don't expect liberty minded Democrats to stand by while you authoritarian Republicans run around the country creating your little fantasy land.

 

[Edward]

Conservatives are against abortion being used as form of birth control, period. Currently 97% of all abortions performed in the states fall into this category.......by definition this is infanticide. Yes the dems by supporting abortion by default support infanticide. Can't have one without the other.

Okay. But let's cut the crap. You as a Republican believe: A woman is not free to choose because she belongs to the state, if the state being omnipotent says she cannot have an abortion she cannot.

Democrats OPPOSE abortion. Republicans SUPPORT obedience on the behalf of a woman. I say this again. The difference isn't between pro-abortion and anti-abortion. It is between pro-choice and anti-choice. According to Republicans the state is the one who chooses whether someone can have an abortion. Well, by that reasoning conservatives argue that the state can in fact require abortions. You can't have it both ways.

Do you realize that Democrats would be saying the same thing if the state was doing the reverse; that is requiring a woman to have an abortion. We would be speaking of liberty, and choice.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I just read this and other stuff you've written and have held off replying but this, this is over the top. Its so full of rhetoric and half truths that it basically renders itself unreplyable

Exactly...just another verbose lib teetering on the edge of insanity...

 

[OCA]

I support representative government. I do not support democracy. There is a difference. When the state becomes authoritarian it is as a result of one of two possible trends, all power concentrated in the hands of one person, or in the hands of many people. Put simply, where I can point my finger at a King, a President, a Congressman, I cannot point my finger at a voter. The voter by nature of the electoral process is immune. When all power rests in the hands of the people it is tyranny, when it rests in the hands of a King or other individual it is tyranny. Either way, democracy is an abomination. A republic is good. Democracy, bad. Republic, good. Monarchy, bad. Republic, good.

You deliberately and knowingly acted like a republican and lied yet again. What lengths won't you go to defame the position of liberals. We stand for liberty and you hate it. You republicans are all alike. Democracy is just another form of tyranny and you demand it. Well, don't expect liberty minded Democrats to stand by while you authoritarian Republicans run around the country creating your little fantasy land.

Liberty minded Demos? Tyranny of the voter? That tinfoil hat might be a little to tight.

 

[dilloduck]

Okay. But let's cut the crap. You as a Republican believe: A woman is not free to choose because she belongs to the state, if the state being omnipotent says she cannot have an abortion she cannot.

Democrats OPPOSE abortion. Republicans SUPPORT obedience on the behalf of a woman. I say this again. The difference isn't between pro-abortion and anti-abortion. It is between pro-choice and anti-choice. According to Republicans the state is the one who chooses whether someone can have an abortion. Well, by that reasoning conservatives argue that the state can in fact require abortions. You can't have it both ways.

Do you realize that Democrats would be saying the same thing if the state was doing the reverse; that is requiring a woman to have an abortion. We would be speaking of liberty, and choice.

The GOP would not support state sanctioned abortion OR mandatory abortion

 

[Edward]

dang---I hardly know where to start
how about pro-lifers just want the kid to have the right to live?-----the mother apparently doesn't cause it will incovenience her.

And as I have said before, the unborn childs right to life is not an absolute right, it is a qualified right. It must be weighed against the rights of the mother, and of society. Society's rights must be weighed against those of the mother and the child. I am pro-life and pro-choice. The pro-lifers you speak of are pro-life and anti-choice. The difference is that I oppose abortion, and will do everything within my power to prevent an abortion, but this does not extend to depriving another person of their liberty.

Whatever the motives of the mother, it is her place to make that choice. If you oppose abortions of convenience than agree with the Democratic Party and start working to provide incentives that would promote the right choice instead of attempting to deprive a woman of her rights based upon a few selected criteria.

 

[OCA]

Okay. But let's cut the crap. You as a Republican believe: A woman is not free to choose because she belongs to the state, if the state being omnipotent says she cannot have an abortion she cannot.

Democrats OPPOSE abortion. Republicans SUPPORT obedience on the behalf of a woman. I say this again. The difference isn't between pro-abortion and anti-abortion. It is between pro-choice and anti-choice. According to Republicans the state is the one who chooses whether someone can have an abortion. Well, by that reasoning conservatives argue that the state can in fact require abortions. You can't have it both ways.

Do you realize that Democrats would be saying the same thing if the state was doing the reverse; that is requiring a woman to have an abortion. We would be speaking of liberty, and choice.

Do you actually want to have an intelligent conversation? Or are you gonna just spout these crazy statements about liberty and Demos. Ever hear of right vs wrong or is that just a theory also?

 

[Edward]

The GOP would not support state sanctioned abortion OR mandatory abortion

Of course not, it instead supports the exact opposite. The GOP cares nothing for liberty, that is why the Democratic Party has been the party that has survived the longest. Americans realize that we are the party of the people, we are the party that represents the interests of everyone. The Republican Party has consistently, and unswervingly flip-flopped on the issues because of one consistent principle, that is the omnipotent state. For example, state rights when it suites the party, but anti-state rights when it does not suite the right-wing radical agenda of the Republican party. Many people don't realize that the right-wing agenda is a dangerous threat to our nation and our way of life.