Democrats Working Hard to Get Trump Elected

[pismoe]

thanks MAX , its always best to inform the lefties . Maybe they will learn something .

Facts don't fit well with the left but it is always worth a try.

------------------------------ The main thing I see and like is that good info also informs the regular good and normal people that will pick up a bit of good info to add to their thinking and later arguments . ------------------------- they'll become informed on details that === they just didn't know . Thats why I say that even Enemy guys like JoeB and RWinger DO serve a purpose because they raise questions and issues that make people think Max .

 

[Kondor3]

...Soo so of course the police and secret service will put down their weapons once everyone has this epiphany about guns that you see coming, right?...

On there is no 'epiphany' coming about guns... merely a nationwide tidal wave of public opinion that will heavily regular or ban battlefield -caliber assault weapons.

...I mean if people put down their guns because of this heaven sent enlightenment there should be no need for guns in any of our FBI, police, secret service or any other area of our country...

I do not advocate for our American Citizenry to disarm itself.

Such 'enlightenment' is not 'heaven sent' - merely common sense and mathematics - fewer assault rifles - fewer mass shootings - fewer schoolchildren killed on campus.

... Or are you just advoctating that certain people lay down guns?...

I advocate for the heavy regulation or ban of battlefield -caliber assault weaponry.

...Perhaps those in certain positions must not experience this perfect state of enlightenment?

The only 'perfect enlightenment' to be had in all of this is the enlightenment one experiences when shaking-off their thralldom to the NRA et al.

 

[Maxdeath]

...Soo so of course the police and secret service will put down their weapons once everyone has this epiphany about guns that you see coming, right?...

On there is no 'epiphany' coming about guns... merely a nationwide tidal wave of public opinion that will heavily regular or ban battlefield -caliber assault weapons.

...I mean if people put down their guns because of this heaven sent enlightenment there should be no need for guns in any of our FBI, police, secret service or any other area of our country...

I do not advocate for our American Citizenry to disarm itself.

Such 'enlightenment' is not 'heaven sent' - merely common sense and mathematics - fewer assault rifles - fewer mass shootings - fewer schoolchildren killed on campus.

... Or are you just advoctating that certain people lay down guns?...

I advocate for the heavy regulation or ban of battlefield -caliber assault weaponry.

...Perhaps those in certain positions must not experience this perfect state of enlightenment?

The only 'perfect enlightenment' to be had in all of this is the enlightenment one experiences when shaking-off their thralldom to the NRA et al.

You might start by reading this. The Assault Weapon Myth
Then if you manage to get through that you might begin by understanding that NO weapon that is sold to the usual citizen is not military type weaponry. It only looks like one, it is still one trigger pull one shot. Military weapons have a selector switch one position fires a three round burst, the other position is fully automatic. Fully automatic means it fires as long as it has bullets and the trigger is held. A civillian may poses a military grade weapon IF they go through an extensive background check and pay thousands of dollars.
The next thing you might want to realize is that 30% of all Americans currently own a gun of somekind. Another 36% say they would be interested in owning one. 46% of all households have at least one gun and gun owner. I doubt very much if that includes statistics for those in the mafia, gangs or anyone who may have and want to keep illegally gotten or owned guns.
The next thing you might realize is that there is a thing called the second amendment in the Bill of Rights that allows for people owning guns. It says nothing about guns that look scary.This was upheld by the Supreme Court in Heller.
One Mass shooting took place in 1966 at the University of Texas it used an ordinary hunting rifle. 14 were killed 31 wounded, one died later from complications.

I could continue to show all kinds of mass shootings that used nothing that looked like a scary military weapon. But as I said most people only can have something that looks scary to you.

 

[pknopp]

Beto let the cat out of the bag and no Democrat has attacked him for saying it.


He almost certainly doesn’t realize it, but Beto O’Rourke is likely to be the worst thing to happen to the gun-control movement in decades — and, if he continues in this mode, he may turn out to be the worst thing to happen to the Democratic party in a long time, too. In Houston last night, O’Rourke abandoned his cloying euphemisms (“mandatory buybacks”) and delivered a deliberate, carefully scripted endorsement of gun confiscation, which, within minutes, his campaign began to sell on t-shirts. “Hell yes,” Beto said, “we’re going to take your AR-15.”

Thus, upon the instant, did two decades’ worth of Democratic rhetoric go up in a puff of smoke.

“’That clip will be played for years at Second Amendment rallies,’ said Dem Sen. Chris Coons to CNN this morning of O’Rourke’s vow to confiscate assault weapons.”

Beto O’Rourke Is a Disaster for the Gun-Control Movement | National Review

Lets go for it

Make Guns and Abortion an issue in the 2020 election

Let the voters decide

Nothing is going to be done about either. Even if you ban guns, people are not going to give up their guns.

Even if you ban abortions it is not going to stop people from having abortions.

Both are simply issues to divide people.

 

[JoeB131]

So says YOU bit even if true I simply say 'so what' but I believe that your BS is BS JoeB . Course today is 2019 and guns are easy to make and are affordable to the masses. Todays AR and AK as 2 examples of GUNS that help Fill or supply the purpose of the Second Amendment and JoeB .

and yes, that's the problem. The Founding Slave Rapists new thought ANYONE could get a gun. They thought only people of some means would show up to be part of their well-regulated militia.

The purpose of the Second Amendment no longer applies. Today we have professional armies and police forces.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually you are completely wrong gun ownership was very wide spread. Guns were used against Indians and for hunting and prediator control.
Read this from William and Mary college. Very in depth runs some sixty pages.

Whatever.

Gun ownership was rare in Colonial Times.

Arms and the man

https://www.quora.com/In-the-1800s-did-most-Americans-carry-guns

 

[rightwinger]

Trump thanks you for getting him elected and working so hard for his upcoming landslide.

Trump is going to lose in a landslide.

The kind of nut who needs an AR-15 to compensate for a tiny dick was never going to vote Democrat to start with and they just aren't that much of the electorate.

Gun owners only make up 21% of the population. And most of them actually want better gun laws than we have now. They don't want Nick Cruz or Adam Lanza showing up at their kid's school with an AR-15 for some reason.

Let’s have Republicans run on protecting access to AR 15s with 50 round magazines

 

[Weatherman2020]

Trump thanks you for getting him elected and working so hard for his upcoming landslide.

Trump is going to lose in a landslide.

The kind of nut who needs an AR-15 to compensate for a tiny dick was never going to vote Democrat to start with and they just aren't that much of the electorate.

Gun owners only make up 21% of the population. And most of them actually want better gun laws than we have now. They don't want Nick Cruz or Adam Lanza showing up at their kid's school with an AR-15 for some reason.

Let’s have Republicans run on protecting access to AR 15s with 50 round magazines

Let’s have Democrats list all the ‘common sense’ gun laws that are needed and take a vow no further gun laws will ever be proposed again.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Actually you are completely wrong gun ownership was very wide spread. Guns were used against Indians and for hunting and prediator control.
Read this from William and Mary college. Very in depth runs some sixty pages.

Whatever.

Gun ownership was rare in Colonial Times.

Arms and the man

https://www.quora.com/In-the-1800s-did-most-Americans-carry-guns

Gun ownership was rare in Colonial Times.

That’s crazy talk. And your source is some guy in Hong Kong no less.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s crazy talk. And your source is some guy in Hong Kong no less.

Yes, they have no books in Hong Kong.

Okay, run it down for morons.

In 1776, guns were VERY EXPENSIVE to make, but your average farmer really didn't make that much money. Not to buy a military grade musket that was useless for hunting and only effective when firing in volleys.

The British weren' seizing guns from individuals, they were seizing them from arsenals set up by the colonial government.

 

[JoeB131]

Let’s have Democrats list all the ‘common sense’ gun laws that are needed and take a vow no further gun laws will ever be proposed again.

Sure, are you going to enact and enforce them when we do?

Thorough, comprehensive background checks.
Liability for gun sellers who knowingly sell to maniacs or criminals.
Red Flag laws that allows the seizure of guns from dangerous people.

Those all make sense to most people.

 

[Weatherman2020]

That’s crazy talk. And your source is some guy in Hong Kong no less.

Yes, they have no books in Hong Kong.

Okay, run it down for morons.

In 1776, guns were VERY EXPENSIVE to make, but your average farmer really didn't make that much money. Not to buy a military grade musket that was useless for hunting and only effective when firing in volleys.

The British weren' seizing guns from individuals, they were seizing them from arsenals set up by the colonial government.

Unless you lived in a city, you owned a rifle. Basic requirement for food and self defense.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Let’s have Democrats list all the ‘common sense’ gun laws that are needed and take a vow no further gun laws will ever be proposed again.

Sure, are you going to enact and enforce them when we do?

Thorough, comprehensive background checks.
Liability for gun sellers who knowingly sell to maniacs or criminals.
Red Flag laws that allows the seizure of guns from dangerous people.

Those all make sense to most people.

How’s outlawing drugs going?

 

[JoeB131]

Unless you lived in a city, you owned a rifle. Basic requirement for food and self defense.

Not really. Most people lived in settled areas where Native Americans had already been wiped out and so had most of the Apex Predators...

No need for guns.

 

[JoeB131]

How’s outlawing drugs going?

Pretty darned good. No one tried to sell me crack all day today.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Let’s have Democrats list all the ‘common sense’ gun laws that are needed and take a vow no further gun laws will ever be proposed again.

Sure, are you going to enact and enforce them when we do?

Thorough, comprehensive background checks.
Liability for gun sellers who knowingly sell to maniacs or criminals.
Red Flag laws that allows the seizure of guns from dangerous people.

Those all make sense to most people.

Counting guns in Early America

More people had guns than a table in the house.


Guns (63-69%),
Tables (50-64%),
Seating furniture (40-68%),
Hoes (35-41%),
Axes (31-33%),
Sharp knives (18-20%).

Among the wealthiest 10% of estates, only 4%had sharp knives, but 74% had guns. None of the six items she counted were as common as guns.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dgun%20ownership%20in%201800&=&form=APIPH1&=&PC=APPL&=&httpsredir=1&=&article=1489&=&context=wmlr&=&sei-redir=1#search="gun ownership 1800"

 

[Weatherman2020]

How’s outlawing drugs going?

Pretty darned good. No one tried to sell me crack all day today.

How much did they want for the assault rifle?

 

[Maxdeath]

Actually you are completely wrong gun ownership was very wide spread. Guns were used against Indians and for hunting and prediator control.
Read this from William and Mary college. Very in depth runs some sixty pages.

Whatever.

Gun ownership was rare in Colonial Times.

Arms and the man

https://www.quora.com/In-the-1800s-did-most-Americans-carry-guns

I love it I give you a piece by a respected college and you come back with two opinion pieces. Shows the thinking. I guess in your mind opinion wins out over facts.

Yes they were expensive. No not everyone had a gun. But they were the only protection since there was no sheriff. They were used for hunting because people actually ate meat and not everyone could afford to buy meat. Indians were a part of the landscape and they were not extremly happy about sharing their land and hunting grounds. If you had animals or were out hunting you needed to defend against prediators.

But it does not surprise me that you don't want to believe facts.

 

[pismoe]

Trump thanks you for getting him elected and working so hard for his upcoming landslide.

Trump is going to lose in a landslide.

The kind of nut who needs an AR-15 to compensate for a tiny dick was never going to vote Democrat to start with and they just aren't that much of the electorate.

Gun owners only make up 21% of the population. And most of them actually want better gun laws than we have now. They don't want Nick Cruz or Adam Lanza showing up at their kid's school with an AR-15 for some reason.

Let’s have Republicans run on protecting access to AR 15s with 50 round magazines

---------------------------50 round magazines are silly as they are too long and heavy . Sure they probably exist but they are impractical .

 

[rightwinger]

Trump thanks you for getting him elected and working so hard for his upcoming landslide.

Trump is going to lose in a landslide.

The kind of nut who needs an AR-15 to compensate for a tiny dick was never going to vote Democrat to start with and they just aren't that much of the electorate.

Gun owners only make up 21% of the population. And most of them actually want better gun laws than we have now. They don't want Nick Cruz or Adam Lanza showing up at their kid's school with an AR-15 for some reason.

Let’s have Republicans run on protecting access to AR 15s with 50 round magazines

Let’s have Democrats list all the ‘common sense’ gun laws that are needed and take a vow no further gun laws will ever be proposed again.

Lets get our murder rate down to be similar to countries who have restrictions and then see