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I think Reagan was talking about "living" Americans and "legal" Americans (but we should ask him when he arrives at the polls).
As for making things harder -- every single day things get harder in America. Healthcare is harder thanks to Obamacare; Commercial Driver's Licenses are harder to maintain thanks to the Federal DOT and their new CSA program; filing the annual tax return will be harder next year; etc.
There's nothing at all wrong with doing what is necessary to reduce voter fraud even if we all have to take a couple of extra steps to make it happen.
What a load of crap.
And the instances of voter fraud are miniscule.
Voting is a right. Everyone who wants to vote..should. And they should not have to wait 5 hours on line after traveling 3 hours to do it.
Republicans have already openly stated they are doing this for purely partisan reasons.
That..should be against the law.
Voter ID will provide nothing that a valid signature doesn't provide today
Signatures can be easily faked.
Besides, a signature from a dead person shouldn't allow the forger to vote, but they do.
No they don't.
Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.
Voter Fraud: It's Real, But Rare - ABC News
It's a ridiculously small number.
I think Reagan was talking about "living" Americans and "legal" Americans (but we should ask him when he arrives at the polls).
As for making things harder -- every single day things get harder in America. Healthcare is harder thanks to Obamacare; Commercial Driver's Licenses are harder to maintain thanks to the Federal DOT and their new CSA program; filing the annual tax return will be harder next year; etc.
There's nothing at all wrong with doing what is necessary to reduce voter fraud even if we all have to take a couple of extra steps to make it happen.
What a load of crap.
And the instances of voter fraud are miniscule.
Voting is a right. Everyone who wants to vote..should. And they should not have to wait 5 hours on line after traveling 3 hours to do it.
Republicans have already openly stated they are doing this for purely partisan reasons.
That..should be against the law.
Waiting 5 hours in line is pretty easy compared to signing up for Obamacare. Try waiting for days.....
Give us a few quotes about how GOP members admitted to this hogwash.
Mudwhistle said:I suggest setting up a scan bar on everyone's Social Security card, load their information into a server and kick it back if the SOB already voted.
Not true.Signatures can be easily faked.
Besides, a signature from a dead person shouldn't allow the forger to vote, but they do.
No they don't.
Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.
Voter Fraud: It's Real, But Rare - ABC News
It's a ridiculously small number.
In North Carolina alone they found voters that matched votes in other states. Over 35,000 illegal votes were discovered.
Signatures can be easily faked.
Besides, a signature from a dead person shouldn't allow the forger to vote, but they do.
No they don't.
Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.
Voter Fraud: It's Real, But Rare - ABC News
It's a ridiculously small number.
Only 40 folks were indicted for fraud? That's proof that a lot of folks get away with it.
I think Reagan was talking about "living" Americans and "legal" Americans (but we should ask him when he arrives at the polls).
As for making things harder -- every single day things get harder in America. Healthcare is harder thanks to Obamacare; Commercial Driver's Licenses are harder to maintain thanks to the Federal DOT and their new CSA program; filing the annual tax return will be harder next year; etc.
There's nothing at all wrong with doing what is necessary to reduce voter fraud even if we all have to take a couple of extra steps to make it happen.
What a load of crap.
And the instances of voter fraud are miniscule.
Voting is a right. Everyone who wants to vote..should. And they should not have to wait 5 hours on line after traveling 3 hours to do it.
Republicans have already openly stated they are doing this for purely partisan reasons.
That..should be against the law.
When a race is close "minuscule" can make all the difference. Voting is NOT a right -- it's a privilege that shouldn't be abused or taken for granted.
If a Republican or Independent have to "drive" to the polling locations then Democrats need to do the same. You all talk about "fair" all the time. It's not "fair" that he or she has more stuff than I do so they need to give what they have so that everything is "fair." Well ... you know what I'm talking about.
15th Amendment
Amendment XV
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
What a load of crap.
And the instances of voter fraud are miniscule.
Voting is a right. Everyone who wants to vote..should. And they should not have to wait 5 hours on line after traveling 3 hours to do it.
Republicans have already openly stated they are doing this for purely partisan reasons.
That..should be against the law.
When a race is close "minuscule" can make all the difference. Voting is NOT a right -- it's a privilege that shouldn't be abused or taken for granted.
If a Republican or Independent have to "drive" to the polling locations then Democrats need to do the same. You all talk about "fair" all the time. It's not "fair" that he or she has more stuff than I do so they need to give what they have so that everything is "fair." Well ... you know what I'm talking about.
No..its a right.
15th Amendment
Amendment XV
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
The US constitution - READ IT.
Not true.No they don't.
It's a ridiculously small number.
In North Carolina alone they found voters that matched votes in other states. Over 35,000 illegal votes were discovered.
Says the facts. I'm fully aware of the story, Moonie Times editorial is Moonie.Not true.In North Carolina alone they found voters that matched votes in other states. Over 35,000 illegal votes were discovered.
Says you.
EDITORIAL: Democrats deny voter fraud. Ask North Carolina. - Washington Times
Says the facts. I'm fully aware of the story, Moonie Times editorial is Moonie.
The NC charge was covered in this thread:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/8875924-post44.html
Furthermore, Voter ID would not have prevented the very few people they found.
When the other states found matches in the corss-check of states, (in 2010, 15 states, out of more than 45 million votes case) a grand total of 11 instances were found to be actual matches for double voting.
Eleven.
In this case there were 765 matches.
It will be determined, like it has in the past, a great many of these 765 cases of matches are clerical errors / input mistakes. They very well may find a few. A few.
You also have to consider someone would have to have physical residence in both states, and have the means and motivation to travel to the other state to vote and cast one extra vote that would put them in jeopardy of being charged with a felony, huge fines, and possible jail time.
How many of those with dual residencies would be motivated that much they would risk prison time for the sake of one extra vote?
I submit not too many.
No..it's proof it is not a problem.
At all.
What is the risk?
A felony and possible Prison time isn't a disincentive?
And someone is going to be motivated to travel to the other state to cast one lousy vote?
There's a reason why in the states that did cross-reference they found only a grand total of 11 double votes - from more than 45 million votes cast.
It's exceptionally rare, mostly because there is low benefit and high risk.
When a race is close "minuscule" can make all the difference. Voting is NOT a right -- it's a privilege that shouldn't be abused or taken for granted.
If a Republican or Independent have to "drive" to the polling locations then Democrats need to do the same. You all talk about "fair" all the time. It's not "fair" that he or she has more stuff than I do so they need to give what they have so that everything is "fair." Well ... you know what I'm talking about.
No..its a right.
15th Amendment
Amendment XV
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
The US constitution - READ IT.
Everyone must adhere to the same rules regardless of their race, sex, or if their great granddaddy was a slave. Anything else is against the 15th Amendment.
Btw, re-read the part about religion. You'll find no separation of church and state. Also the right to bear arms. Familiarize yourself with these because anyone who quotes the constitution should know what is and isn't in it.
What is the risk?
A felony and possible Prison time isn't a disincentive?
And someone is going to be motivated to travel to the other state to cast one lousy vote?
There's a reason why in the states that did cross-reference they found only a grand total of 11 double votes - from more than 45 million votes cast.
It's exceptionally rare, mostly because there is low benefit and high risk.
Doesn't matter all that much to an illegal.
What are they gonna do, deport them?
What's to prevent that from happening in states with voter ID?
Identity theft and faking ID's exist, you know...still, high risk, low benefit.
There have been many, many, many , many studies done on actual voter fraud, including a multi-year one by Bush's Justice dept -- and the number of actual voter fraud is infinitesimally small, when compared to total ballots cast.
What is the risk?
A felony and possible Prison time isn't a disincentive?
And someone is going to be motivated to travel to the other state to cast one lousy vote?
There's a reason why in the states that did cross-reference they found only a grand total of 11 double votes - from more than 45 million votes cast.
It's exceptionally rare, mostly because there is low benefit and high risk.
Doesn't matter all that much to an illegal.
What are they gonna do, deport them?
You really don't know much about undocumented human beings, do you?
Most of them live at the fringe of society, doing menial labor and doing their very best not to get noticed.
