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Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
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Democrats Instigating Destruction
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Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.Miami's mayor is Republican, and their previous mayor was Republican as well.I don't see how Baltimore is the fault of Democrats. Portland is a well run city for example, low crime, good economy, high standard of living etc, but it is run by Democrats. Where is the so called "democrat mismanagement" there?
There must be another difference between Portland and Baltimore, I just can't put my finger on it...
1. DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP!
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected
a Republican mayor since 1961;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… since 1984;
Cleveland, OH (4th)… since 1989;
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
St. Louis, MO (6th)…. since 1949;
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
Milwaukee, WI (8th)… since 1908;
Philadelphia, PA (9th)… since 1952;
Newark, NJ (10th)… since 1907.
Top 10 Poorest Cities run by Democrats Scattershooting
Do you truly believe the mayor of Detroit has any say in the Auto industry falling apart with pressure from foreign imports?
Do you truly believe the Mayor of New York controls Wall Street, and Global markets?
Can you not recognize that very large cities draw extremes from the very wealthiest who love the amenities of a big city, to the very poorest with no means of transportation but the subway?
The middle class, with cheap gasoline moved to suburbia so they could smell the roses/fresh air....that too skews the disparities between the wealthiest and the poorest in major cities....and makes life more difficult for any mayor to run a city.
Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that.....
Certainly your are correct about Miami.
"Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that...."
Absolutely.
That's why Obama has been such a horrid mistake.
Wait...aren't you the one who was denying that Obama supported infanticide?
Have you changed to the correct opinion on that?
Absurd...
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
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- #163
Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.Miami's mayor is Republican, and their previous mayor was Republican as well.1. DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP!
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected
a Republican mayor since 1961;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… since 1984;
Cleveland, OH (4th)… since 1989;
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
St. Louis, MO (6th)…. since 1949;
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
Milwaukee, WI (8th)… since 1908;
Philadelphia, PA (9th)… since 1952;
Newark, NJ (10th)… since 1907.
Top 10 Poorest Cities run by Democrats Scattershooting
Do you truly believe the mayor of Detroit has any say in the Auto industry falling apart with pressure from foreign imports?
Do you truly believe the Mayor of New York controls Wall Street, and Global markets?
Can you not recognize that very large cities draw extremes from the very wealthiest who love the amenities of a big city, to the very poorest with no means of transportation but the subway?
The middle class, with cheap gasoline moved to suburbia so they could smell the roses/fresh air....that too skews the disparities between the wealthiest and the poorest in major cities....and makes life more difficult for any mayor to run a city.
Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that.....
Certainly your are correct about Miami.
"Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that...."
Absolutely.
That's why Obama has been such a horrid mistake.
Wait...aren't you the one who was denying that Obama supported infanticide?
Have you changed to the correct opinion on that?
Absurd...
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
I love shoving it down the throats of you and every other voter who put this facilitator of the slaughter of innocent new borns, in a position of power.
This is what you supported:
Take notes:
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.org found holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Take note: I never lie.....I'm not a Liberal.
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This is just too weird. All complaints, no suggestions as to what the system should be with you PC. Heck, I talk about things as ridiculous as annexing Mexico when brainstorming. Your ideas have to be worth mentioning simply. Don't be shy and hide behind quotes.
I agree NYcarbineer.
Athena, are you saying Obama is trying to ruin the country or does he just have different ideas that you believe will not work?
"I agree NYcarbineer."
So...what's this I hear? You two have decided on "We've Only Just Begun" as your first song?
Did you come up yet with a riot that can be proven to have been incited by Obama?
Yes it was called Ferguson, before that it was Trayvon Martin. So yes the far left and their religious propaganda are the fore front..
Specifically how did Obama incite Ferguson?
"Recall that some anti-police protesters in New York last December chanted, “What do we want? Dead cops” a week before Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were assassinated. Only then did de Blasio stop praising the protesters and letting them shut down highways and invade stores with impunity.
Obama, even as Baltimore still smoldered over the Freddie Gray case, sneered that incidents involving dead black men and cops were “not new, ” then, after Moore died, switched gears to say cops have “a tough job.” The American Civil Liberties Uniontweeted after charges were filed against six Baltimore cops that the “Black Spring has begun,” an awkward phrase given that three of the charged cops are black."
Sharpton de Blasio Obama only love cops when convenient New York Post
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.Miami's mayor is Republican, and their previous mayor was Republican as well.1. DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP!
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected
a Republican mayor since 1961;
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… since 1984;
Cleveland, OH (4th)… since 1989;
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
St. Louis, MO (6th)…. since 1949;
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
Milwaukee, WI (8th)… since 1908;
Philadelphia, PA (9th)… since 1952;
Newark, NJ (10th)… since 1907.
Top 10 Poorest Cities run by Democrats Scattershooting
Do you truly believe the mayor of Detroit has any say in the Auto industry falling apart with pressure from foreign imports?
Do you truly believe the Mayor of New York controls Wall Street, and Global markets?
Can you not recognize that very large cities draw extremes from the very wealthiest who love the amenities of a big city, to the very poorest with no means of transportation but the subway?
The middle class, with cheap gasoline moved to suburbia so they could smell the roses/fresh air....that too skews the disparities between the wealthiest and the poorest in major cities....and makes life more difficult for any mayor to run a city.
Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that.....
Certainly your are correct about Miami.
"Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that...."
Absolutely.
That's why Obama has been such a horrid mistake.
Wait...aren't you the one who was denying that Obama supported infanticide?
Have you changed to the correct opinion on that?
Absurd...
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
Bfgrn
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.Miami's mayor is Republican, and their previous mayor was Republican as well.
Do you truly believe the mayor of Detroit has any say in the Auto industry falling apart with pressure from foreign imports?
Do you truly believe the Mayor of New York controls Wall Street, and Global markets?
Can you not recognize that very large cities draw extremes from the very wealthiest who love the amenities of a big city, to the very poorest with no means of transportation but the subway?
The middle class, with cheap gasoline moved to suburbia so they could smell the roses/fresh air....that too skews the disparities between the wealthiest and the poorest in major cities....and makes life more difficult for any mayor to run a city.
Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that.....
Certainly your are correct about Miami.
"Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that...."
Absolutely.
That's why Obama has been such a horrid mistake.
Wait...aren't you the one who was denying that Obama supported infanticide?
Have you changed to the correct opinion on that?
Absurd...
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
Skylar
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.Certainly your are correct about Miami.
"Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that...."
Absolutely.
That's why Obama has been such a horrid mistake.
Wait...aren't you the one who was denying that Obama supported infanticide?
Have you changed to the correct opinion on that?
Absurd...
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
'Become'? When has she been anything but? PC doesn't actually debate issues. Her only significant contribution to any debate is to copy and paste different websites on claims she's never fact checked, arguments she doesn't understand.
I've never seen her craft an argument of her own. Its always the predigested rhetorical cud of someone else. Cud she doesn't even understand.
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
'Become'? When has she been anything but? PC doesn't actually debate issues. Her only significant contribution to any debate is to copy and paste different websites on claims she's never fact checked, arguments she doesn't understand.
I've never seen her craft an argument of her own. Its always the predigested rhetorical cud of someone else. Cud she doesn't even understand.
In other words, she kicks your ass every time and you can't begin to keep up.
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.Certainly your are correct about Miami.
"Mayors haven't caused the problems of big cities, this is much larger than the doings of "a mayor"...surely you can agree with that...."
Absolutely.
That's why Obama has been such a horrid mistake.
Wait...aren't you the one who was denying that Obama supported infanticide?
Have you changed to the correct opinion on that?
Absurd...
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
'Become'? When has she been anything but? PC doesn't actually debate issues. Her only significant contribution to any debate is to copy and paste different websites on claims she's never fact checked, arguments she doesn't understand.
I've never seen her craft an argument of her own. Its always the predigested rhetorical cud of someone else. Cud she doesn't even understand.
All this because you cannot dispute any revelation I've provided.
That's true, isn't it.
Bfgrn
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- Apr 4, 2009
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.
Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
- Thread starter
- #172
Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.Are you ready to claim that Barack Obama does not endorse infanticide, and support it with his actions?
Please....go on the record.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Bfgrn
Gold Member
- Apr 4, 2009
- 16,829
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Yep, I will go on record that you and the Republicans like Santorum are lying through their beloved teeth, when saying that Obama supports Infanticide...and you are demented on the topic and refuse to see and read the TRUTH on the topic...but heh...won't be the first time.
Santorum may feel that abortion is tantamount to infanticide, but that does not give him the license to put words in Obama's mouth that he never uttered. Santorum said, "Any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed." Obama didn’t say that. In fact, he said that abortion should be legal, but that children that are born should receive medical care. Obama never said that any child born prematurely can be killed or anything like that. Santorum crosses a line with his rhetoric in distinguishing the difference between his position and Obama’s. We rate Santorum’s statement:
Pants on Fire.
Rick Santorum said Obama said any child born prematurely can be killed PolitiFact
Go AHEAD AND IGNORE the truth one more time PC....it's expected of you at this point.....
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
- Thread starter
- #174
The silence is deafening!
I'm gonna assume that our deluded Liberal friend didn't respond because the truth is undeniable: she gave her political support to a man who wished defenseless new born babies to die unattended.
That's infanticide.
Looks like we can stupulate that every individual who voted for Barack Obama voted for infanticide, and voted to empower a governance that supported same.
But.....why would any be surprised.
The same voters put a rapist in the Oval Office for eight years....and a murderer and offered to work with Russia against the President of the United States, in Congress for fifty years.
And a study of every totalitarian iteration, from communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism......
....all fail when it comes to respecting the sanctity of human life.
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
You need another beating?
Sure:
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Bfgrn
Gold Member
- Apr 4, 2009
- 16,829
- 2,492
- 245
PC, you have become another parrot like Stephanie. Your claims are so absurd that no one in their right mind would agree with you.
I understand that you are FAR right wing and Obama is a Democrat. But if we are to believe any of your absurd claims, it would make the President of the United States the most evil man who ever lived. Worse that Hitler.
ABSURD...
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
You need another beating?
Sure:
Peter Singer Joins Obama s Health Care Administrators I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story Experience
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Newt Gingrich? The serial liar?
The Newt Gingrich who was having an affair at the same time that he was impeaching Clinton for having an affair?
The Newt Gingrich who was the first Speaker of the House in the history of Congress to receive a reprimand for unethical conduct?
It is clear you just don't possess the intelligence to understand the heart of the abortion issue and the constant attacks on a woman's LEGAL right of choice by conservatives.
I am sure in your tiny simple mind the numerous legislative efforts by conservatives are meant solely to protect "babies"...
The TRUTH is they are ALL concocted to undermine Roe v. Wade, control women and keep women subservient to men, which is a conservative tenet.
The Illinois bill:
The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
- Thread starter
- #176
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
You need another beating?
Sure:
Peter Singer Joins Obama s Health Care Administrators I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story Experience
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Newt Gingrich? The serial liar?
The Newt Gingrich who was having an affair at the same time that he was impeaching Clinton for having an affair?
The Newt Gingrich who was the first Speaker of the House in the history of Congress to receive a reprimand for unethical conduct?
It is clear you just don't possess the intelligence to understand the heart of the abortion issue and the constant attacks on a woman's LEGAL right of choice by conservatives.
I am sure in your tiny simple mind the numerous legislative efforts by conservatives are meant solely to protect "babies"...
The TRUTH is they are ALL concocted to undermine Roe v. Wade, control women and keep women subservient to men, which is a conservative tenet.
The Illinois bill:
The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
That's a lie, and you, a liar.
"We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
Obama and Infanticide
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- Thread starter
- #177
So you have no way of denying the truth.
You were unable to even claim that any item in my post was incorrect.
As predicted.
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
You need another beating?
Sure:
Peter Singer Joins Obama s Health Care Administrators I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story Experience
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Newt Gingrich? The serial liar?
The Newt Gingrich who was having an affair at the same time that he was impeaching Clinton for having an affair?
The Newt Gingrich who was the first Speaker of the House in the history of Congress to receive a reprimand for unethical conduct?
It is clear you just don't possess the intelligence to understand the heart of the abortion issue and the constant attacks on a woman's LEGAL right of choice by conservatives.
I am sure in your tiny simple mind the numerous legislative efforts by conservatives are meant solely to protect "babies"...
The TRUTH is they are ALL concocted to undermine Roe v. Wade, control women and keep women subservient to men, which is a conservative tenet.
The Illinois bill:
The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
"In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people..."
Watch me rip one who is one, a new one:
"Indeed, Mr. Obama appeared to misstate his position in the CBN interview on Saturday when he said the federal version he supported “was not the bill that was presented at the state level.” His campaign yesterday acknowledged that he had voted against an identical bill in the state Senate, and a spokesman, Hari Sevugan, said the senator and other lawmakers had concerns that even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law. "
.Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record - The New York Sun
":... the legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee, Douglas Johnson, was dubious. "These are newly manufactured and highly implausible excuses," he said. "There is no way that the bill would have had any effect on any method of abortion." Mr. Johnson said the version Mr. Obama voted down clearly applied only to fetuses that emerged from the womb alive."
Ibid.
Not only did Obama support allowing new born babies to die unattended.....
...that is called infanticide...
...but you support it to this day.
Did I mention that you are a low-life cur?
Bfgrn
Gold Member
- Apr 4, 2009
- 16,829
- 2,492
- 245
PC, the "truth" has never been part of your repertoire...you deal in extreme FAR right wing partisan propaganda and the absurd.
There is nothing "truthful" in your reply...just the absurd.
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
You need another beating?
Sure:
Peter Singer Joins Obama s Health Care Administrators I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story Experience
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Newt Gingrich? The serial liar?
The Newt Gingrich who was having an affair at the same time that he was impeaching Clinton for having an affair?
The Newt Gingrich who was the first Speaker of the House in the history of Congress to receive a reprimand for unethical conduct?
It is clear you just don't possess the intelligence to understand the heart of the abortion issue and the constant attacks on a woman's LEGAL right of choice by conservatives.
I am sure in your tiny simple mind the numerous legislative efforts by conservatives are meant solely to protect "babies"...
The TRUTH is they are ALL concocted to undermine Roe v. Wade, control women and keep women subservient to men, which is a conservative tenet.
The Illinois bill:
The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
That's a lie, and you, a liar.
"We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
Obama and Infanticide
You want to cherry pick FROM YOUR OWN SOURCE...
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
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- #179
You lying cur.
Everything I posted is totally correct.
Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
You need another beating?
Sure:
Peter Singer Joins Obama s Health Care Administrators I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story Experience
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Newt Gingrich? The serial liar?
The Newt Gingrich who was having an affair at the same time that he was impeaching Clinton for having an affair?
The Newt Gingrich who was the first Speaker of the House in the history of Congress to receive a reprimand for unethical conduct?
It is clear you just don't possess the intelligence to understand the heart of the abortion issue and the constant attacks on a woman's LEGAL right of choice by conservatives.
I am sure in your tiny simple mind the numerous legislative efforts by conservatives are meant solely to protect "babies"...
The TRUTH is they are ALL concocted to undermine Roe v. Wade, control women and keep women subservient to men, which is a conservative tenet.
The Illinois bill:
The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
That's a lie, and you, a liar.
"We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
Obama and Infanticide
You want to cherry pick FROM YOUR OWN SOURCE...
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
I can understand how embarrassed you are at supporting the murder of innocent new borns.....
...but you are disgustingly guilty.
Comparison of the Federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and Illinois SB1082
● August 28, 2008 ● OBAMABAIPA
On March 12-13, 2003, the Illinois state senate committee chaired by Senator Barack Obama amended the proposed state Born-Alive Infants Protection bill (SB 1082) to exactly track the language of the already-enacted federal BAIPA, by adopting Senate Amendment No. 1, 10-0. The committee then voted to kill the amended bill, 6-4, with Obama and the other Democrats on the committee voting against it. The bill that Obama and his colleges voted to kill, as amended, was virtually identical to the federal law. The entirely non-substantive points at which the state bill language still differed from the federal law are shown in brackets below (except we have ignored differences in capitalizing).
Comparison of the Federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and Illinois SB1082 National Right to Life
Why try to hide...you Liberals have supported and enabled all sorts of disreputable Democrats.
Bfgrn
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Everything you post is totally absurd...EVERY THING...TOTALLY
You need another beating?
Sure:
Peter Singer Joins Obama s Health Care Administrators I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story Experience
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
2:01
2:40
3:55
5:28
Newt Gingrich? The serial liar?
The Newt Gingrich who was having an affair at the same time that he was impeaching Clinton for having an affair?
The Newt Gingrich who was the first Speaker of the House in the history of Congress to receive a reprimand for unethical conduct?
It is clear you just don't possess the intelligence to understand the heart of the abortion issue and the constant attacks on a woman's LEGAL right of choice by conservatives.
I am sure in your tiny simple mind the numerous legislative efforts by conservatives are meant solely to protect "babies"...
The TRUTH is they are ALL concocted to undermine Roe v. Wade, control women and keep women subservient to men, which is a conservative tenet.
The Illinois bill:
The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
That's a lie, and you, a liar.
"We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
Obama and Infanticide
You want to cherry pick FROM YOUR OWN SOURCE...
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
I can understand how embarrassed you are at supporting the murder of innocent new borns.....
...but you are disgustingly guilty.
Comparison of the Federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and Illinois SB1082
● August 28, 2008 ● OBAMABAIPA
On March 12-13, 2003, the Illinois state senate committee chaired by Senator Barack Obama amended the proposed state Born-Alive Infants Protection bill (SB 1082) to exactly track the language of the already-enacted federal BAIPA, by adopting Senate Amendment No. 1, 10-0. The committee then voted to kill the amended bill, 6-4, with Obama and the other Democrats on the committee voting against it. The bill that Obama and his colleges voted to kill, as amended, was virtually identical to the federal law. The entirely non-substantive points at which the state bill language still differed from the federal law are shown in brackets below (except we have ignored differences in capitalizing).
Comparison of the Federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and Illinois SB1082 National Right to Life
Why try to hide...you Liberals have supported and enabled all sorts of disreputable Democrats.
PLEASE explain the need for SB1082 if it identical to the federal law PC? Did Illinois secede from the union??
PLEASE explain the need for SB1082 in Illinois when Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support." ???
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