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Peter Singer Joins Obama s Health Care Administrators I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story Experience
- "Newt Gingrich deflected a question ...by pointing out that Obama voted in favor of a law that protected abortion providers during his term as state senator of Illinois
"You did not once during the 2008 campaign ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide,"Gingrich said. "If we're going to debate about who is the extremist on this issues, it is President Obama, who, as a state senator, voted to protect doctors who killed babies."
Newt Gingrich Calls Obama An 'Extremist' Who Supported 'Infanticide' At GOP Debate
2. n·fan·ti·cide/inˈfantiˌsīd/
Noun:
The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.
3. "Gingrich was presumably referencing Obama’s opposition to Illinois’ proposed version of a “born alive” law,intended to require doctors to administer immediate medical care to any infant that survived an intended abortion....FactCheck.orgfound holes in Obama’s explanations as to why he did not support the “born alive” legislation..."
FACT CHECK: Gingrich Claim on Obama Infanticide Vote A Stretch - Naureen Khan - NationalJournal.com
a. "Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
FactCheck.org : Obama and ‘Infanticide’
4. If a child is 'accidentally' born alive as a result of a botched abortion attempt, SenatorObama had no problem allowing that newborn to die,sans any medical attention.
5. Now, lest anyone believe that there is a nuanced explanation that would be acceptable to normal people....consider the fact that PresidentObama appointed Professor Peter Singeras his heathcare advisor.
Peter Singer Joins Obama's Health Care Administrators : I Am Not a Fan of Peter Singer Story & Experience
a. "Singer once wrote, "because people arehuman does not mean that their lives are more valuable than animals."He not only advocates abortion but alsokilling disabled babies up to 28 days after they are born.In his book "Practical Ethics," he wrote, "When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed....Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.Often, it is not wrong at all."
Peter Singer, "Practical Ethics," Cambridge University Press, 1979, p. 191.
So...did Obama have a cavalier attitude about killing infants?
Would you appoint anyone who advises killing infants?....Obama did.
Was Gingrich correct?
Seems indisputable.
Links to Barack Obama s votes on Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Jill Stanek
Pay special attention to the vid @ :50
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Newt Gingrich? The serial liar?
The Newt Gingrich who was having an affair at the same time that he was impeaching Clinton for having an affair?
The Newt Gingrich who was the first Speaker of the House in the history of Congress to receive a reprimand for unethical conduct?
It is clear you just don't possess the intelligence to understand the heart of the abortion issue and the constant attacks on a woman's LEGAL right of choice by conservatives.
I am sure in your tiny simple mind the numerous legislative efforts by conservatives are meant solely to protect "babies"...
The TRUTH is they are ALL concocted to undermine Roe v. Wade, control women and keep women subservient to men, which is a conservative tenet.
The Illinois bill:
The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
That's a lie, and you, a liar.
"We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported. Both contained identical clauses saying that nothing in the bills could be construed to affect legal rights of an unborn fetus, according to an undisputed summary written immediately after the committee’s 2003 mark-up session."
Obama and Infanticide
You want to cherry pick FROM YOUR OWN SOURCE...
FACT: the 2005 version of the state bill, which passed, was a compromise bill free of any other measures Obama had previously opposed. Had he been there to vote for it, he may well have done so. Specifically addressing his onetime concern over the impact of a re-definition of what "born alive" could be interpreted to mean, the 2005 measure that passed after Obama left Springfield included three new clauses that read:
(c) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right
applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive, as defined in this Section.
(d) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion.
(e) Nothing in this Section shall be construed to alter generally accepted medical standards.
In sum, comparing the federal bill passed by Congress in 2002 with the various Illinois measures proposed during Obama's tenure in the state legislature is a bogus enterprise meant to confuse people who lack the time and resources required to tease out the differences between them.
I can understand how embarrassed you are at supporting the murder of innocent new borns.....
...but you are disgustingly guilty.
Comparison of the Federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and Illinois SB1082
● August 28, 2008 ● OBAMABAIPA
On March 12-13, 2003, the Illinois state senate committee chaired by Senator Barack Obama amended the proposed state Born-Alive Infants Protection bill (SB 1082) to exactly track the language of the already-enacted federal BAIPA, by adopting Senate Amendment No. 1, 10-0. The committee then voted to kill the amended bill, 6-4, with Obama and the other Democrats on the committee voting against it. The bill that Obama and his colleges voted to kill, as amended, was virtually identical to the federal law. The entirely non-substantive points at which the state bill language still differed from the federal law are shown in brackets below (except we have ignored differences in capitalizing).
Comparison of the Federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act and Illinois SB1082 National Right to Life
Why try to hide...you Liberals have supported and enabled all sorts of disreputable Democrats.
PLEASE explain the need for SB1082 if it identical to the federal law PC? Did Illinois secede from the union??
PLEASE explain the need for SB1082 in Illinois when Illinois law already provided that physicians must protect the life of a fetus when there is "a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support." ???
Try as you may....the import will not change.
Barack Obama...and you....refuse to save the life of a human being born as a result of a botched abortion.
infanticide
(ɪnˈfæntɪˌsaɪd)
n
1. the killing of an infant
2. the practice of killing newborn infants, still prevalent in some primitive tribes
3. a person who kills an infant
inˌfantiˈcidaladj
infanticide - definition of infanticide by The Free Dictionary
Perhaps you should argue that Obama merely facilitated the murder.