Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties

[BWK]

The odds are that someone who demands that you “should read the Constitution” has never read the fucking thing.

And when you provide them with the proof, from the Constitution, their argument is just a laugh. That's pretty funny. And yea, he hasn't read shit about the Constitution. That's how he got burned over this debate.

 

[yidnar]

Personally, I have a tough time recalling the last time the Democrats stood up for anybody's civil liberties who weren't trying to get an abortion. That's been the party's holy grail since the 70s. It always seems to be Democratic leaning states like Illinois, California, my birth state of Massachusetts, etc. that have the most draconian laws and heavy handed enforcement of those laws not to mention exorbitant taxes, fees, and licensing requirements. During the current pandemic it's the Democratic governors and mayors, with a few exceptions, who have laid down the most authoritarian measures in their states and cities depriving people of their basic civil liberties with questionably legal edicts. They claim to be doing this in the name of science and saving lives, but enough evidence is out there now to show that simply isn't true. In the case of Andrew Cuomo, his orders have literally killed people. Either they're ignorant or on a power trip. I pondered in the CA-25 election thread as to how much influence, if any, California's lockdown had in determining the outcome of that special election last Tuesday. Everybody had that race as Lean D until a few days ahead of the election when they saw the disproportionate amount of ballots being returned by Republicans.

Now, they are covering for and defending the actions of rogue FBI agents and others within the Obama administration of their railroading of General Flynn and abdication of established protocols and basic civil rights.

The Blue Party’s Trump-era Embrace of Authoritarianism Isn’t Just Wrong, it’s a Fatal Political Mistake

Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties

The Blue Party’s Trump-era Embrace of Authoritarianism Isn’t Just Wrong, it’s a Fatal Political Mistake

taibbi.substack.com

What should one do when they come upon a thread started by a long time forum member and staff member which consists of nothing but disinformation and false claims?

Spend time disputing every false claim?

Ignore it and allow the disinformation to fester?

Insult the OP and add a sentence or two about the topic?

So boring.

Real Americans and politicians have no skin in this game. With 90,000 sure to top 100,000 and over by the end of May, well over 1.5 million infected, my problem becomes your problem. It's called nature. You aren't going to tell nature when you've had enough. Nature tells you. I find it mind boggling that the common man cannot see that.

So now you're going to use death counts as a political weapon?

of course they are ...they believe more deaths helps them get more power .... but its going to backfire on them once more is learned about chinas deception and the dems defense of them .

 

[yidnar]

The odds are that someone who demands that you “should read the Constitution” has never read the fucking thing.

go hide in your basement commie real Americans will let you know when there are no more threats that might hurt you ....but you should be prepared for a long long amount of time cowering downstairs ... you weak chicken shit communist bitch.

 

[yidnar]

Too much to unpack here but here we go. I know of no circumstance where a Democrat denied one's civil liberties to go against abortion? Do you even know what civil liberties actually means?

And the guidelines laid down by Democrat mayors and governors was for protection, not to deprive civil liberties. You do understand that door swings open both ways don't you? When you run around town without protection, you are violating my civil liberties by creating an unsafe environment. I can't get out because of your reckless behavior.

And what is your documented evidence Flynn was railroaded by the Obama administration? You don't have any do you?

The guidelines laid down by democrat mayors and governors were to flatten the curve so hospitals would not be overrun. That was accomplished 3 weeks ago. At no time did they say we would keep everything closed until the virus is gone.

You do know this argument is a common sense argument where only one outcome is desired, and only one strategy will work. You do know that right? What is it about the Right? Do you think life is some fantasy, where you do A, and you are automatically awarded B? WTF ails you people? Seriously? Nature doesn't guarantee you anything with three week shut downs and social distancing. The virus tells you what you should be doing, not mayors and governors. You are scapegoating the mayors and governors who are trying to protect you, not rob you of your civil liberties. People, this is not that hard.

Here's your problem. If they told the American people they were going to shut down the economy four 2 months and people would be out of work for 2 months or longer nobody would have agreed to it.
The scientists and medical experts have been wrong many times throughout the shutdown. Now the politicians are playing their political power games and real Americans have had enough.

Real Americans and politicians have no skin in this game. With 90,000 sure to top 100,000 and over by the end of May, well over 1.5 million infected, my problem becomes your problem. It's called nature. You aren't going to tell nature when you've had enough. Nature tells you. I find it mind boggling that the common man cannot see that.

could you imagine if over 60 million Americans were infected like when the h1 n1 outbreak occurred [a less lethal and much much less contagious disease ] during the obumer administrations joke of a term ? why did the great obumer let so many get infected by a disease that was much less contagious ? if covid 19 would have been allowed to spread like that millions would be dead .

 

[yidnar]

Personally, I have a tough time recalling the last time the Democrats stood up for anybody's civil liberties who weren't trying to get an abortion. That's been the party's holy grail since the 70s. It always seems to be Democratic leaning states like Illinois, California, my birth state of Massachusetts, etc. that have the most draconian laws and heavy handed enforcement of those laws not to mention exorbitant taxes, fees, and licensing requirements. During the current pandemic it's the Democratic governors and mayors, with a few exceptions, who have laid down the most authoritarian measures in their states and cities depriving people of their basic civil liberties with questionably legal edicts. They claim to be doing this in the name of science and saving lives, but enough evidence is out there now to show that simply isn't true. In the case of Andrew Cuomo, his orders have literally killed people. Either they're ignorant or on a power trip. I pondered in the CA-25 election thread as to how much influence, if any, California's lockdown had in determining the outcome of that special election last Tuesday. Everybody had that race as Lean D until a few days ahead of the election when they saw the disproportionate amount of ballots being returned by Republicans.

Now, they are covering for and defending the actions of rogue FBI agents and others within the Obama administration of their railroading of General Flynn and abdication of established protocols and basic civil rights.

The Blue Party’s Trump-era Embrace of Authoritarianism Isn’t Just Wrong, it’s a Fatal Political Mistake

Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties

The Blue Party’s Trump-era Embrace of Authoritarianism Isn’t Just Wrong, it’s a Fatal Political Mistake

taibbi.substack.com

hahahahahaha
You've got an impeached POTUS who has fired 4 inspectors general in the last month because they won't cover his ass for his fucking up the pandemic crisis. So you drank the Kool-AId on "Obamagate", which is just another one of Trump's distractions....to cover his ass for fucking up the pandemic crisis.

When did you join the CULT?

Obama, the FBI, Comey and SpyGate were dealt with and done last year. How many fucking times do I have to post these links????

Michael Horowitz just shot down a bunch of Trump conspiracy ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/12/11 › mich...
Dec 11, 2019 - The report found 17 instances in which the FBI's Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) applications to surveil former Trumpcampaign ...

Horowitz did not find evidence Obama asked for probe of Trump
thehill.com › homenews › senate › 474098-horowitz-di...
Dec 11, 2019 - that he was not aware of any evidence that former President Obama asked his administration to investigate then-candidate Donald Trump.

DOJ inspector general refutes Trump claim that Obama ...
thehill.com › policy › national-security › 474134-doj-i...
Dec 11, 2019 - Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General Michael Horowitzsaid Wednesday that he found no evidence the FBI wiretapped anyone other ...

DOJ IG Horowitz: Trump's FBI conspiracy theory is false
www.usatoday.com › story › opinion › 2019/12/11 › j...
Dec 11, 2019 - We need to put things in perspective. President Trump spread some baseless rumors. But now it's up to the FBI to undertake some major ...


Who wants to bet that DOJ Watchdog Horowitz won't be the next IG that Trump fires????

Fake nooz isn't an argument.

Always in search of an argument. Keep looking. Lol!

So what am I to believe, the sketchy "investigation" of a lifer bureaucrat, or the actual evidence -much of in the words of and signed by the alleged perps- presented over the past fews days?....Do I believe you and the fake nooz or my own lying eyes?

Clown.

Believe wtf you want to believe. You aren't debating anything anyway. So why are you even here?

There's no debate...The evidence is pretty clear.....And you're carrying the water for police state goons who couldn't care less about civil rights or the laws that they're supposed to be enforcing.

You're a piss poor excuse for an alleged "liberal".

When you show up with that documented evidence, be sure to let us know.

You would deny it if you were beaten over the head with it, so what would be the point?

Oh, and you are still the shittiest excuse for an alleged "liberal" that I can imagine.

Republicans lost this debate because of a lack of creative thinking/substance/ honesty/ and information. Nature is kicking your ass and you don't even know it. Better luck next time. This thread has outlived its usefulness. Too boring to continue on this one. See you on another one.

goodbye bitch.