Democrats freaking out about church voice regarding abortion

[Votto]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

Whether you take the story as a literal or figurative account, the world ignores the wisdom expressed in the story.

They both partook of the tree of Knowledge. Ring any bells? They wanted knowledge over God's wisdom.

And what do people want today? You guessed, it, they continue to crave knowledge over wisdom.

Now look at us today. Technology is threatening our very existence with such things as WMD's, climate change, pollution, genetically altering crops that can't reproduce, etc., etc.

Yes, the story is correct, knowledge without wisdom brings death.

 

[Votto]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

I see, so prove that the unborn are or are not really human? How does one go about that I wonder? Shouldn't that have been done before murdering over 50 million since Roe vs Wade?

Or we can just believe in the Birth Fairy. You know the Birth Fairy, she waves her magic wand over the unborn child as it exists the womb, thus making it human.

Or you can just make your own decisions for yourself and stay the fuck out of other people's lives,Bible boy.

Spoken like a true Brown shirt.

Just mind your own business and ignore the injustice of others.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for Progressives - and then I laughed my arse off

 

[denmark]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

I understand that stories (myths?) were passed down orally for many generations before writing/publications took over, but why retain ridiculous fairy-tale stories about Eve’s origin and her “original sin” for responding to a talking serpent?
Do you really believe that?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

I see, so prove that the unborn are or are not really human? How does one go about that I wonder? Shouldn't that have been done before murdering over 50 million since Roe vs Wade?

Or we can just believe in the Birth Fairy. You know the Birth Fairy, she waves her magic wand over the unborn child as it exists the womb, thus making it human.

Or you can just make your own decisions for yourself and stay the fuck out of other people's lives,Bible boy.

Spoken like a true Brown shirt.

Just mind your own business and ignore the injustice of others.

Sorry you crybaby little religious nutball, I don't subscribe to your little magical fetishes about what injustice is.

 

[ding]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

Dear ding
That's not the only way to understand Jesus.

I have plenty of atheist / nontheist friends who understand the
concept of Universal Peace and Justice and "Restorative Justice"
as the secular equivalent of faith in Christ Jesus saving "all humanity."

I find if we focus on RESTORATIVE JUSTICE we unite people in Christ as neighbors.

For BELIEVERS, yes, if we are not "for him" then we are "against him."
But for secular gentiles, as long as these are "not against" him then they are "for him."

There are many secular gentiles who receive Christ "indirectly" by receiving and respecting Christians.
That is all it takes to allow "agreement in Christ" that we forgive and receive one another.

We don't all have to believe the same things,
we don't have to believe in a personified God that created everything,
we don't have to believe in a personified Jesus.

As long as we agree to FORGIVE AND RECEIVE one another
we can still embody and agree in the spirit of Restorative Justice.

What I will say, it does help with this forgiveness process that
people do RECEIVE and NOT REJECT the spirit, meaning and message of Christ Jesus.

As long as we are not "against him" then Christ Jesus and Restorative Justice can still work.
As long as we are not "against God's truth" then other people can still teach it.

Just not reject each other.
So the Christian believers have as much work to do to
forgive and receive in order to stop the mutual rejection
that prevents fuller inception and reception of the meaning and message
of Christ Jesus which is the same as universal Justice and Peace,
Justice with Mercy, Restorative Justice, and Equal Justice under Law.

ding I hope you will unite and stand with other Catholics and
liberals pushing to replace the death penalty and harsh drug war/prison policies
with more Restorative Justice measures that will allow corrections and restitution
which the Catholic Church teaches as more effective than capital punishment.

If we unite behind the teachings that Christ Jesus MEANS "Restorative Justice"
we might better work together to achieve this common goal and vision for humanity sake.

Emily,

I did not attempt to tell him how to understand Jesus. I merely pointed out that if he doesn't accept that space and time were created by spirit, then the account of Jesus would not make sense to him.

So anyone who does not believe that will never be able to accept who and what Jesus is. What Jesus stood for cannot be properly apprised without understanding and accepting what he is. He did not give us that option.

 

[Cecilie1200]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

Yes, what Christians need is religiophobic assholes "educating" them about how their beliefs are wrong, and how much "smarter" they would be if they were just like you. Because I'm sure lots of people look at you and say, "I want to be just like that!"

Why do you people never wonder if maybe YOU are the biggest reason why Christians don't listen to anything you say? Does it ever cross your mind that they look at you and think, "If that's what atheism and hating religion does for you, get me to the church FAST"?

“You people”? I don’t represent anyone else. As Jesus supposedly said, don’t judge others!


So, do YOU believe that Eve was born from Adam’s rib?

Who said you represented anyone? "You people" means "dungheads who think the same things". Surely you didn't think your religiophobic babble was original?

And as I have not yet said a word about the state of your soul, nor do I intend to, I have not violated any instructions from the Bible about judging. Which you would know, if you bothered to know anything about the subject you're arrogantly presuming to instruct me on.

What I actually believe is that you have nothing to teach me about anything I would want to know, and doubly nothing when the subject is religion. There is no world in which I do not look at you and think, "Yeah, I'm better off without any of that."

 

[ding]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

I understand that stories (myths?) were passed down orally for many generations before writing/publications took over, but why retain ridiculous fairy-tale stories about Eve’s origin and her “original sin” for responding to a talking serpent?
Do you really believe that?

I believe they are allegorical accounts. I don't read them literally. Do you?

 

[ding]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

So if you are a Progressive, how can the DNC overcome the church?

Dear Votto
Actually the Catholic Church advocates against the Death Penalty
are one of the strongest allies with Progressives for prison, immigration and worker Reforms.

This issue has come up before in the Houston Peace and Justice community.
The Liberals for prison reform and against the Death Penalty have been able
to work in partnership with MANY Catholic clergy and members to address
the "dehumanizing" mentality behind War and Capital Punishment and
collective abuse and oppression of "poor masses" seen and treated as faceless nameless and voiceless.

the LIBERAL Christians on the Left have no problem aligning with Liberals on common issues.

What is MISSING is the knowledge and practice of Christian Spiritual Healing
that would not only end the drug addictions and abuse fueling the Drug Wars
(that incidentally is uniting both Left and Right on that cause despite divisions over immigration)
but would also reform the entire prison system, medical and mental health system
by drastically cutting the cost of criminal disorders and corrections and allow
effective rehab, recovery and meaningful social and financial restitution for crimes.

It seems the issue of drug and human trafficking that is victimizing poor people
may be the key to uniting Left and Right. And the solution to ending abuse and
addiction is the very Spiritual Healing that Christians and even Catholics are supposed to be teaching and practicing.

This knowledge has been suppressed, censored, and denied
by rejection of Christianity particularly by the Left that has no understanding of it.

Somewhere in there is the key to breaking through this deadlock dividing left and right
and uniting people on common solutions instead of fighting to blame each other for problems!

Like the Catholics during the reign of terror of Hitler, they just looked the other way when it comes to issues of mass genocide.

It could be they feared for their lives or perhaps they loved the socialist economy that kept the average German citizen living large with free everything.

Either way, I don't care, and nor should anyone else. They were equally as guilty for not resisting.

I don't believe you have the whole story or even attempted looking for it.

 

[emilynghiem]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

I see, so prove that the unborn are or are not really human? How does one go about that I wonder? Shouldn't that have been done before murdering over 50 million since Roe vs Wade?

Or we can just believe in the Birth Fairy. You know the Birth Fairy, she waves her magic wand over the unborn child as it exists the womb, thus making it human.

Dear Votto there4eyeM
There are two separate issues here, that both need to be resolved:
1. one is the issue that Roe V Wade and there4eyeM brought up
Laws banning abortion end up punishing women more than men (who tend to be equally if not more responsible for the sex that led to unwanted pregnancy)
so this brings up the SEPARATE legal issue of DUE PROCESS (or speciflcally Substantive Due Process, thanks to Dante for pointing this out)

2. The other is the issue of FAITH BASED BELIEFS
on when does the human will, consciousness or personality ENTER the human body.
Is this at conception or is it after birth that a person is legally recognized?

2a. And this brings up two more related issues:
Why should Govt be in the business of "having to establish" EITHER such beliefs of prochoice or prolife?
Why can't both be protected, where neither "requires" court or legal argument to "establish or defend"?

If someone has either belief, that should ALREADY be protected and not require further Govt dependence to
establish someone's right to exercise, fund, defend or express their beliefs!!!

2b. and also the issue of Discrimination by Creed
If the Liberals insist on pushing beliefs such as LGBT orientation and identity
that are "faith based" and defending that, even to the point of PUNISHING others for not believing or complying,
how can Christians be banned from imposing and establishing Christian beliefs about marriage or prayer through Govt the same way?

If Liberals can push "right to health care" as a BELIEF through Govt,
even force Taxpayers to fund and follow this belief by force and penalty of tax laws,
then how can Christians be banned from imposing and establishing "right to life" beliefs through Govt.

We are not treating beliefs equally when they involve govt, as in "political beliefs."

So that's a separate issue that branches out in many other areas.

If we address
2b. Political Discrimination by Creed or Belief
we might have a chance to get beliefs out of govt and quit fighting
but focusing on solutions by FREE CHOICE "outside of govt"

Then we could go back and address the original
conflict in Roe V Wade which is how to reform the laws
where they don't target, punish and criminalize women more than
men who are equally if not more responsible for the decision to have
sex which led to unwanted pregnancy.

 

[Hollie]

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

I understand that stories (myths?) were passed down orally for many generations before writing/publications took over, but why retain ridiculous fairy-tale stories about Eve’s origin and her “original sin” for responding to a talking serpent?
Do you really believe that?

I believe they are allegorical accounts. I don't read them literally. Do you?

Classic pick and choose religious belief.

 

[ding]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

I understand that stories (myths?) were passed down orally for many generations before writing/publications took over, but why retain ridiculous fairy-tale stories about Eve’s origin and her “original sin” for responding to a talking serpent?
Do you really believe that?

You think they are all myths, right?

Can you tell me what the "myth" of the account of the Tower of Babel is all about?

 

[Votto]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

So if you are a Progressive, how can the DNC overcome the church?

Dear Votto
Actually the Catholic Church advocates against the Death Penalty
are one of the strongest allies with Progressives for prison, immigration and worker Reforms.

This issue has come up before in the Houston Peace and Justice community.
The Liberals for prison reform and against the Death Penalty have been able
to work in partnership with MANY Catholic clergy and members to address
the "dehumanizing" mentality behind War and Capital Punishment and
collective abuse and oppression of "poor masses" seen and treated as faceless nameless and voiceless.

the LIBERAL Christians on the Left have no problem aligning with Liberals on common issues.

What is MISSING is the knowledge and practice of Christian Spiritual Healing
that would not only end the drug addictions and abuse fueling the Drug Wars
(that incidentally is uniting both Left and Right on that cause despite divisions over immigration)
but would also reform the entire prison system, medical and mental health system
by drastically cutting the cost of criminal disorders and corrections and allow
effective rehab, recovery and meaningful social and financial restitution for crimes.

It seems the issue of drug and human trafficking that is victimizing poor people
may be the key to uniting Left and Right. And the solution to ending abuse and
addiction is the very Spiritual Healing that Christians and even Catholics are supposed to be teaching and practicing.

This knowledge has been suppressed, censored, and denied
by rejection of Christianity particularly by the Left that has no understanding of it.

Somewhere in there is the key to breaking through this deadlock dividing left and right
and uniting people on common solutions instead of fighting to blame each other for problems!

Like the Catholics during the reign of terror of Hitler, they just looked the other way when it comes to issues of mass genocide.

It could be they feared for their lives or perhaps they loved the socialist economy that kept the average German citizen living large with free everything.

Either way, I don't care, and nor should anyone else. They were equally as guilty for not resisting.

I don't believe you have the whole story or even attempted looking for it.

Why then was the tree referred to as the tree of "Knowledge"?

Seems kind of self explanatory if you ask me.

 

[Votto]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

I see, so prove that the unborn are or are not really human? How does one go about that I wonder? Shouldn't that have been done before murdering over 50 million since Roe vs Wade?

Or we can just believe in the Birth Fairy. You know the Birth Fairy, she waves her magic wand over the unborn child as it exists the womb, thus making it human.

Or you can just make your own decisions for yourself and stay the fuck out of other people's lives,Bible boy.

Spoken like a true Brown shirt.

Just mind your own business and ignore the injustice of others.

Sorry you crybaby little religious nutball, I don't subscribe to your little magical fetishes about what injustice is.

Yes, destroy the unborn and white man!

Racism/ageism, is what being a Progressive is all about.

Locking up innocent Japanese Americans is good too.

Thanks FDR.

 

[Cecilie1200]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

I see, so prove that the unborn are or are not really human? How does one go about that I wonder? Shouldn't that have been done before murdering over 50 million since Roe vs Wade?

Or we can just believe in the Birth Fairy. You know the Birth Fairy, she waves her magic wand over the unborn child as it exists the womb, thus making it human.

Or you can just make your own decisions for yourself and stay the fuck out of other people's lives,Bible boy.

Says the person who practically breaks his leg to go into every religious thread he can find for the sole purpose of telling people how their beliefs keep them from being "smart" like him (ignoring the fact that that's an excellent argument to hold onto their beliefs as tightly as possible).

You're such a hypocrite.

 

[BreezeWood]

Ah yes, we hear again from idiots who think everybody is in for the money, just because he/she/it/mutant's mentality and its peer group is oriented to that bent. Sounds like some gimp who never got over learning Santa Claus wasn't real and has decided to spend its life sulking and whining as if it 'knows how the real world works n stuff'. lol if it were about money, 99.99% of pastors and ministers would have been long gone by now. All the apostles got out of it was tortured and murdered by the state and pagan trash for hundreds of years, and even today the vast majority don't make a living out of it, but we have these fatuous idiots here like this poster who thinks they're all making vast riches off of it or something.

I think you’re assuming he has any idea how most churches operate

.

Leftists are big idiots. Just like any big idiot, you need a remarkably ignorant idea to push forward.

I think you’re assuming he has any idea how most churches operate

how most churches operate ... you need a remarkably ignorant idea to push forward.


Indulgence:

In the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, an indulgence (Latin: indulgentia, from *dulgeō, "persist") is "a way to reduce the amount of punishment one has to undergo for sins"

The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes an indulgence as "a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and all of the saints"

there is no time in history any of the desert religion churches were not at the forefront of the most heinous crimes against humanity - including as well all other crimes imaginable. without repentance.

- and they were able with their ill-begotten riches to buy their way into heaven, Indulgences. whatever their crimes may have been.


persecuting and victimizing the weakest in society has been their, the christians bread and butter since the 4th century, that is what Roe v. Wade took from them, their callous ability to victimize the week and innocent of our society unimpeded - they now have the courts to answer to for their malicious behavior. placing the adult at their personal and unjustified discretion.

Is anyone surprised that the lamest pretender to intellect on the board came up with "This is how most churches operate" . . . and then cited a practice that only exists in ONE church?

Is anyone surprised that the lamest pretender to intellect on the board came up with "This is how most churches operate" . . . and then cited a practice that only exists in ONE church?

- and then cited a practice that only exists in ONE church?


Indulgence: "a way to reduce the amount of punishment one has to undergo for sins"

* The unrestricted sale of indulgences by pardoners was a widespread abuse during the later Middle ages.


you were given an example that included all churches during the middle ages, the catechism of the church of the roman empire, yours. - you seem incapable of responding in substance when the proof is provided refuting your statements. your rebuttals are kneejerk and childish.

your lack of recourse for such an egregious misuse of religion is likewise notable, christian.

All churches during the Middle Ages. Hey, pinhead, what year is it now? Do not tell me "how most churches operate", and then cite the Middle frigging Ages as proof. Learn the difference between present and past tense, you illiterate.

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All churches during the Middle Ages. Hey, pinhead, what year is it now? Do not tell me "how most churches operate", and then cite the Middle frigging Ages as proof. Learn the difference between present and past tense, you illiterate.

Learn the difference between present and past tense, you illiterate ...

you requested an example not a time line, past to present day would include the pedophilia all churches have been covering up from their inception that only with modern technology have they been forced to admit their crimes. as just one more example of the multitudes that exist within the christian communities.

the same for your 4th century christian bible, it was compiled for nearly a century and manipulated the events of the 1st century to conform to their own selfserving objectives that continue to this day - you are an example of both their misdeeds and your own complicity with that documents deliberate corruption.

 

[denmark]

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

Yes, what Christians need is religiophobic assholes "educating" them about how their beliefs are wrong, and how much "smarter" they would be if they were just like you. Because I'm sure lots of people look at you and say, "I want to be just like that!"

Why do you people never wonder if maybe YOU are the biggest reason why Christians don't listen to anything you say? Does it ever cross your mind that they look at you and think, "If that's what atheism and hating religion does for you, get me to the church FAST"?

“You people”? I don’t represent anyone else. As Jesus supposedly said, don’t judge others!


So, do YOU believe that Eve was born from Adam’s rib?

Who said you represented anyone? "You people" means "dungheads who think the same things". Surely you didn't think your religiophobic babble was original?

And as I have not yet said a word about the state of your soul, nor do I intend to, I have not violated any instructions from the Bible about judging. Which you would know, if you bothered to know anything about the subject you're arrogantly presuming to instruct me on.

What I actually believe is that you have nothing to teach me about anything I would want to know, and doubly nothing when the subject is religion. There is no world in which I do not look at you and think, "Yeah, I'm better off without any of that."

Is is embarrassing for you to try and answer my question, which you overlooked:
“Do YOU believe that Eve was born from Adam’s rib?”

 

[ding]

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

I understand that stories (myths?) were passed down orally for many generations before writing/publications took over, but why retain ridiculous fairy-tale stories about Eve’s origin and her “original sin” for responding to a talking serpent?
Do you really believe that?

I believe they are allegorical accounts. I don't read them literally. Do you?

Classic pick and choose religious belief.

If you read them literally it can only be to confirm your bias that they are fairy tales. If you don't then you are undertaking serious examination seeking to understand why these accounts were so important to ancient man so as to pass them down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years.

You are Jewish, right? You don't find it odd that you are arguing against your own heritage?

 

[ding]

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

Yes, what Christians need is religiophobic assholes "educating" them about how their beliefs are wrong, and how much "smarter" they would be if they were just like you. Because I'm sure lots of people look at you and say, "I want to be just like that!"

Why do you people never wonder if maybe YOU are the biggest reason why Christians don't listen to anything you say? Does it ever cross your mind that they look at you and think, "If that's what atheism and hating religion does for you, get me to the church FAST"?

“You people”? I don’t represent anyone else. As Jesus supposedly said, don’t judge others!


So, do YOU believe that Eve was born from Adam’s rib?

Who said you represented anyone? "You people" means "dungheads who think the same things". Surely you didn't think your religiophobic babble was original?

And as I have not yet said a word about the state of your soul, nor do I intend to, I have not violated any instructions from the Bible about judging. Which you would know, if you bothered to know anything about the subject you're arrogantly presuming to instruct me on.

What I actually believe is that you have nothing to teach me about anything I would want to know, and doubly nothing when the subject is religion. There is no world in which I do not look at you and think, "Yeah, I'm better off without any of that."

Is is embarrassing for you to try and answer my question, which you overlooked:
“Do YOU believe that Eve was born from Adam’s rib?”

Do you? And if you don't what is the significance of the entire account?

Could it be that ancient man believed that spirit created the material world and that man is a product of the material world?

And before you dismiss spirit creating the material world that is exactly the conclusion science has arrived at which is that space and time were created from nothing. Spirit is no thing. Space and time were created from no thing.

 

[denmark]

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

I understand that stories (myths?) were passed down orally for many generations before writing/publications took over, but why retain ridiculous fairy-tale stories about Eve’s origin and her “original sin” for responding to a talking serpent?
Do you really believe that?

I believe they are allegorical accounts. I don't read them literally. Do you?

Allegorical? WHY were they?
What else is “allegorical” in the Bible, everything you don’t want to believe?

 

[denmark]

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

I understand that stories (myths?) were passed down orally for many generations before writing/publications took over, but why retain ridiculous fairy-tale stories about Eve’s origin and her “original sin” for responding to a talking serpent?
Do you really believe that?

You think they are all myths, right?

Can you tell me what the "myth" of the account of the Tower of Babel is all about?

No, I cannot. I stopped reading the Bible after Genesis.
As is the case in legal matters, once discredited, believing a witness is hard to do.