Democrats freaking out about church voice regarding abortion

[Cecilie1200]

There isn't anything to tax,

Whoah, you're way off!

- sales tax for purchase of services
- income/payroll tax for employees
- Property taxes
- limiting of deductions...no, the new LED Marquee and parking lot are NOT charity....

One wonders if you throw this much of a hissy about other charities and non-profits having the gall to have lighted signs or parking lots without paying a shitload of taxes on these normal operating expenditures because they're "not charity", or if it's just churches that come in for your bile and vitriol.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Babies are killed because God gives us our agency and evil men and women kill children.

And sometimes animals and viruses and bacteria and accidents and genetic defects (i.e., poor design) kill them. Man, you sure didn't think this though very well.

But it is quite amazing that you know the will and plan of god. You're truly a shaman for the ages . Or, more likely, you carefully contrived a narrative that preserves your image of what a god should be, then stated it without really thinking it through.

 

[Cecilie1200]

One day I hope the Lord opens your eyes and you let the joy of the gospel of Jesus Christ into your life to overcome your anger and cynicism

Have you any idea the so called ‘gospel of Jesus Christ’ is a mish mash of mistranslations, expurgations and deliberate distortions by the early church?
A passing acquaintance with the last several centuries of biblical studies may assist in your understanding. Thanks for the sermon anyway.

The Lord restored his gospel for a reason

How convenient. You claim to know god's plan, when it suits you. But, when babies are killed? "God works in mysterious ways!"

Babies are killed because God gives us our agency and evil men and women kill children.

Regardless, I’m glad to see that you see how evil abortion is

He may be trying to go with the "Babies die, which means God is killing babies, which means it's okay for ME to do it!" argument. Hard to tell with leftists which boilerplate talking point they're using sometimes.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Babies are killed because God gives us our agency and evil men and women kill children.

And sometimes animals and viruses and bacteria and accidents and genetic defects (i.e., poor design) kill them. Man, you sure didn't think this though very well.

But it is quite amazing that you know the will and plan of god. You're truly a shaman for the ages . Or, more likely, you carefully contrived a narrative that preserves your image of what a god should be, then stated it without really thinking it through.

Yes, bad things happen to human beings. That does not make it okay for YOU to be the bad thing that happens to human beings. And believe me, I'm cringing in horror at the idea that I have to explain that to a putative adult. It speaks to either a shocking level of stupidity or amorality on your part that you can't work out basic moral logic like this on your own.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He may be trying to go with the "Babies die, which means God is killing babies, which means it's okay for ME to do it!"

No dummy, I don't think there are any gods or fairies or leprechauns or unicorns. That's all you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

He may be trying to go with the "Babies die, which means God is killing babies, which means it's okay for ME to do it!"

No dummy, I don't think there are any gods or fairies or leprechauns or unicorns. That's all you.

Didn't say you believed in them. I said you try to use them to bolster your arguments, anway. Thank you for pointing out yet another instance of your hypocrisy.

Btw, denigrating the intelligence of my beliefs doesn't really work if you continue to be yourself while you do it. You're the second-worst selling point I know of for your beliefs.

 

[denmark]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

 

[ding]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

 

[Cecilie1200]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Boy, am I glad you asked, and I'm not the only one with no idea what he's gabbling about.

 

[denmark]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

 

[Cecilie1200]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

Yes, what Christians need is religiophobic assholes "educating" them about how their beliefs are wrong, and how much "smarter" they would be if they were just like you. Because I'm sure lots of people look at you and say, "I want to be just like that!"

Why do you people never wonder if maybe YOU are the biggest reason why Christians don't listen to anything you say? Does it ever cross your mind that they look at you and think, "If that's what atheism and hating religion does for you, get me to the church FAST"?

 

[emilynghiem]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

So if you are a Progressive, how can the DNC overcome the church?

Dear Votto
Actually the Catholic Church advocates against the Death Penalty
are one of the strongest allies with Progressives for prison, immigration and worker Reforms.

This issue has come up before in the Houston Peace and Justice community.
The Liberals for prison reform and against the Death Penalty have been able
to work in partnership with MANY Catholic clergy and members to address
the "dehumanizing" mentality behind War and Capital Punishment and
collective abuse and oppression of "poor masses" seen and treated as faceless nameless and voiceless.

the LIBERAL Christians on the Left have no problem aligning with Liberals on common issues.

What is MISSING is the knowledge and practice of Christian Spiritual Healing
that would not only end the drug addictions and abuse fueling the Drug Wars
(that incidentally is uniting both Left and Right on that cause despite divisions over immigration)
but would also reform the entire prison system, medical and mental health system
by drastically cutting the cost of criminal disorders and corrections and allow
effective rehab, recovery and meaningful social and financial restitution for crimes.

It seems the issue of drug and human trafficking that is victimizing poor people
may be the key to uniting Left and Right. And the solution to ending abuse and
addiction is the very Spiritual Healing that Christians and even Catholics are supposed to be teaching and practicing.

This knowledge has been suppressed, censored, and denied
by rejection of Christianity particularly by the Left that has no understanding of it.

Somewhere in there is the key to breaking through this deadlock dividing left and right
and uniting people on common solutions instead of fighting to blame each other for problems!

 

[there4eyeM]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

 

[ding]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

 

[denmark]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

Yes, what Christians need is religiophobic assholes "educating" them about how their beliefs are wrong, and how much "smarter" they would be if they were just like you. Because I'm sure lots of people look at you and say, "I want to be just like that!"

Why do you people never wonder if maybe YOU are the biggest reason why Christians don't listen to anything you say? Does it ever cross your mind that they look at you and think, "If that's what atheism and hating religion does for you, get me to the church FAST"?

“You people”? I don’t represent anyone else. As Jesus supposedly said, don’t judge others!


So, do YOU believe that Eve was born from Adam’s rib?

 

[Votto]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

So if you are a Progressive, how can the DNC overcome the church?

Dear Votto
Actually the Catholic Church advocates against the Death Penalty
are one of the strongest allies with Progressives for prison, immigration and worker Reforms.

This issue has come up before in the Houston Peace and Justice community.
The Liberals for prison reform and against the Death Penalty have been able
to work in partnership with MANY Catholic clergy and members to address
the "dehumanizing" mentality behind War and Capital Punishment and
collective abuse and oppression of "poor masses" seen and treated as faceless nameless and voiceless.

the LIBERAL Christians on the Left have no problem aligning with Liberals on common issues.

What is MISSING is the knowledge and practice of Christian Spiritual Healing
that would not only end the drug addictions and abuse fueling the Drug Wars
(that incidentally is uniting both Left and Right on that cause despite divisions over immigration)
but would also reform the entire prison system, medical and mental health system
by drastically cutting the cost of criminal disorders and corrections and allow
effective rehab, recovery and meaningful social and financial restitution for crimes.

It seems the issue of drug and human trafficking that is victimizing poor people
may be the key to uniting Left and Right. And the solution to ending abuse and
addiction is the very Spiritual Healing that Christians and even Catholics are supposed to be teaching and practicing.

This knowledge has been suppressed, censored, and denied
by rejection of Christianity particularly by the Left that has no understanding of it.

Somewhere in there is the key to breaking through this deadlock dividing left and right
and uniting people on common solutions instead of fighting to blame each other for problems!

Like the Catholics during the reign of terror of Hitler, they just looked the other way when it comes to issues of mass genocide.

It could be they feared for their lives or perhaps they loved the socialist economy that kept the average German citizen living large with free everything.

Either way, I don't care, and nor should anyone else. They were equally as guilty for not resisting.

 

[Votto]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

I see, so prove that the unborn are or are not really human? How does one go about that I wonder? Shouldn't that have been done before murdering over 50 million since Roe vs Wade?

Or we can just believe in the Birth Fairy. You know the Birth Fairy, she waves her magic wand over the unborn child as it exists the womb, thus making it human.

 

[emilynghiem]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

WRT the account of Adam and Eve and the fall from grace... We are so far removed from these events that they have lost original meaning. The first 11 chapters of Genesis is the allegorical account of world history that every nation shares. Sprinkled in were wisdoms. These accounts had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years until they were eventually recorded in writing. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. We have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. Suffice it to say, ancient man believed that the material world was created by spirit and that man was a product of that creation. The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

WRT to the account of Jesus, if you don't believe it is possible that the material world was created by spirit, then beliefs about Jesus won't make much sense to you. Right?

Dear ding
That's not the only way to understand Jesus.

I have plenty of atheist / nontheist friends who understand the
concept of Universal Peace and Justice and "Restorative Justice"
as the secular equivalent of faith in Christ Jesus saving "all humanity."

I find if we focus on RESTORATIVE JUSTICE we unite people in Christ as neighbors.

For BELIEVERS, yes, if we are not "for him" then we are "against him."
But for secular gentiles, as long as these are "not against" him then they are "for him."

There are many secular gentiles who receive Christ "indirectly" by receiving and respecting Christians.
That is all it takes to allow "agreement in Christ" that we forgive and receive one another.

We don't all have to believe the same things,
we don't have to believe in a personified God that created everything,
we don't have to believe in a personified Jesus.

As long as we agree to FORGIVE AND RECEIVE one another
we can still embody and agree in the spirit of Restorative Justice.

What I will say, it does help with this forgiveness process that
people do RECEIVE and NOT REJECT the spirit, meaning and message of Christ Jesus.

As long as we are not "against him" then Christ Jesus and Restorative Justice can still work.
As long as we are not "against God's truth" then other people can still teach it.

Just not reject each other.
So the Christian believers have as much work to do to
forgive and receive in order to stop the mutual rejection
that prevents fuller inception and reception of the meaning and message
of Christ Jesus which is the same as universal Justice and Peace,
Justice with Mercy, Restorative Justice, and Equal Justice under Law.

ding I hope you will unite and stand with other Catholics and
liberals pushing to replace the death penalty and harsh drug war/prison policies
with more Restorative Justice measures that will allow corrections and restitution
which the Catholic Church teaches as more effective than capital punishment.

If we unite behind the teachings that Christ Jesus MEANS "Restorative Justice"
we might better work together to achieve this common goal and vision for humanity sake.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

People opposed to abortion should use every propaganda method at their disposal, just not legislative. Educate. If people learn, perhaps they'll agree with you. If they don't, they don't. Until then, the decision is the woman's.

I see, so prove that the unborn are or are not really human? How does one go about that I wonder? Shouldn't that have been done before murdering over 50 million since Roe vs Wade?

Or we can just believe in the Birth Fairy. You know the Birth Fairy, she waves her magic wand over the unborn child as it exists the womb, thus making it human.

Or you can just make your own decisions for yourself and stay the fuck out of other people's lives,Bible boy.

 

[ding]

DNC Chairman Tom Perez is very upset that Americans listen to what they hear in church

Apparently there are those in the DNC livid about what is being said about abortion in churches all around the US. I think they would either like to censor the speech or create a voice that is equal or greater to the ones in church.

Not only abortion, but church going suckers need to be educated about LOTS of issues regarding church perversion and stupid claims about history.

Such as?

Such as claiming that Jesus of Nazareth was the “son of God” and “God” himself,
That Eve was the first woman on Earth and God made her from Adam’s rib, etc.

Yes, what Christians need is religiophobic assholes "educating" them about how their beliefs are wrong, and how much "smarter" they would be if they were just like you. Because I'm sure lots of people look at you and say, "I want to be just like that!"

Why do you people never wonder if maybe YOU are the biggest reason why Christians don't listen to anything you say? Does it ever cross your mind that they look at you and think, "If that's what atheism and hating religion does for you, get me to the church FAST"?

“You people”? I don’t represent anyone else. As Jesus supposedly said, don’t judge others!


So, do YOU believe that Eve was born from Adam’s rib?

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 1500 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 1500 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

The account of Adam and Eve is the allegorical account of when mankind became conscious of himself, his surrounding and his Creator. Lost in all the critical evaluations is that the fall from grace tells us maybe the single most important thing about man that we should know which is man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong.

As to the creation of Adam and Eve - the allegorical representation of the first humans - the account tells us that they believe that man came from dust. That man literally was created from the creation of space and time.

You are so convinced that these are fairy tales, that you treat them like fairy tales and miss out on what these ancient accounts are actually telling us.