TheProgressivePatriot
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That is just too fucking stupid for words! You do not seem to get any smarter with time.
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Democrats Endorse Anti-Christian SPLC Report Branding Christians as biggots And Equating Them To Terrorists
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Nostra
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Do you know what Wiki is?According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
House and Senate Democrats endorsed the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (SPLC) “Year in Hate” report that brands mainstream conservative and Christian nonprofits “hate groups” and plots them on a map with the Ku Klux Klan. The Democrats did not respond to longstanding criticisms of the SPLC regarding its racial discrimination and sexual harassment scandal or the fact that former SPLC employees have described the “hate” accusations as a “highly profitable scam.”
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
And note the affiliation with Fuck Us On The Family:
10 Things You Should Know About Focus On The Family - HRC
WASHINGTON – Focus on the Family claims its mission is to help families thrive. Yet to anyone paying attention, it’s clear the organization is focused on one specific kind of family, and instead spends a lot of time, energy and money advocating against equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people and their families. In fact, the organization suggests that marriage equality will bring the destruction of civilization, and it has referred to the children of same-sex couples as “human guinea pigs
Read it and tell us how this is not HATE. Now lets look at the Alliance Defending Freedom.
Alliance Defending Freedom - Wikipedia
Alliance Defending Freedom(ADF, formerly Alliance Defense Fund) is an American conservative Christian nonprofit organization with the stated goal of advocating, training, and funding on the issues of "religious freedom, sanctity of life, and marriage and family".[5] ADF is headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona. It also has four branch offices located in Folsom, California; Washington, D.C.; Lawrenceville, Georgia; and New York.[6]
Because of its budget, caseload, and network of allied attorneys, ADF is seen as the most organized and influential Christian legal interest group in the country.[7] As of October 2018, ADF has argued nine cases before the Supreme Court and won all of them.[8][needs update]
The Southern Poverty Law Center designates the ADF as an anti-LGBTQ hate group.[9] The SPLC has also described the ADF as a "prominent Christian legal powerhouse," and criticized it for providing "advice to anti-gay bigots in Belize."[10]
Yes defending freedom. Defending the freedome of bigots to deny the freedome of others based on a warped definition of religious freedom.
Finally, there is ACT for America. It seems like thse so called mainstreme Christians that are being targeted as hate groups, do not just hate gays.
ACT! for America - Wikipedia
ACT for America - Wikipedia
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Creative Commons — Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported — CC BY-SA 3.0ACT! for America, founded in 2007, is a U.S.-based anti-Muslim advocacy group dedicated to combating what it describes as "the threat of radical Islam" to the safety of Americans and to democracy.
Critics of the group, including the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Center for American Progress, describe it as a hate group. It has been called the U.S.'s largest anti-Muslim organization. Since 2017, the group has organized rallies in support of Donald Trump.
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To say that these groups represent mainstream Christians is moronic. What would Jesus do?
easyt65
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Socialists believe in eliminating everything - EVERYTHING - people rely on, put faith in, count on OTHER THAN tge govt.
Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, is like an instruction manual for Socialists, and one of the most important rules it teaches is to divide and conquer, turn people against each other, create layers and levels of divisions within layers and levels.
The Socialists / ruling class chaos with the solutions they have to the problems they CREATE.
Case in point: China releases a virus whose mortality rate - for everyone other than the elderly and people with serious immune deficiencies - is about equal to or less than the annual seasonal flu.
The govt remedy is extremely oppressive, Constitutinal and Civil Rights-violatibg lockdowns - lockdowns the liberal Socialist elites hypocritically ignore - that hamstrings the economy, puts millions of Americans out of work, and destroys over half of the existing minority-owned small businesses in the US, wiping out all the success and independence achieved by millions of Americans under Trump.
The elites cause chaos and disasters they then convince us only they can save us from.
They cause massive division, incite destruction and violence, use Socialist fake news media to tell us who is to blame,, tell us who the racists and terrorists are, then push viole ce as tge answer to violence....and while we're too stupid and too busy inching closer to an internal civil war the elites do anything and everything they want.
As this board proves on a daily basis, the puppet masters have people so brainwashed / conned they spend all their times pushing debunked talking points and trying to convince each other that their politicians are less corrupt, criminal, & treasonous than the other's...and they are too stupid to see it going on
COVID-19 isn't the nation / world-destroying virus that is being spread - Division and Hate is.
Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, is like an instruction manual for Socialists, and one of the most important rules it teaches is to divide and conquer, turn people against each other, create layers and levels of divisions within layers and levels.
The Socialists / ruling class chaos with the solutions they have to the problems they CREATE.
Case in point: China releases a virus whose mortality rate - for everyone other than the elderly and people with serious immune deficiencies - is about equal to or less than the annual seasonal flu.
The govt remedy is extremely oppressive, Constitutinal and Civil Rights-violatibg lockdowns - lockdowns the liberal Socialist elites hypocritically ignore - that hamstrings the economy, puts millions of Americans out of work, and destroys over half of the existing minority-owned small businesses in the US, wiping out all the success and independence achieved by millions of Americans under Trump.
The elites cause chaos and disasters they then convince us only they can save us from.
They cause massive division, incite destruction and violence, use Socialist fake news media to tell us who is to blame,, tell us who the racists and terrorists are, then push viole ce as tge answer to violence....and while we're too stupid and too busy inching closer to an internal civil war the elites do anything and everything they want.
As this board proves on a daily basis, the puppet masters have people so brainwashed / conned they spend all their times pushing debunked talking points and trying to convince each other that their politicians are less corrupt, criminal, & treasonous than the other's...and they are too stupid to see it going on
COVID-19 isn't the nation / world-destroying virus that is being spread - Division and Hate is.
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I think that we have had this conversation before, but I will try again. My position has always been that all religions-especially authoritarian, monotheistic religions- have their dark underbellies, a tendancy towards controll their "flock" and others with fear and guilt.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
Interesting that you don't put Muslims in the same category, or frankly, even a worse category, considering that it isn't just terrorists and ISIS hate groups who behave this way. Most countries with Islamic governments oppress the rights of women and homosexuals and will jail them and literally execute them in some cases. They are far more brutal than any extremist Christian group, but strangely that never seems to bother you guys.
However, the extent to which those tendancies are allowed to florish unfettered, or are tamped down is a function of the social and political environment that they exist in.
The Muslim majority states that you refer to- for the most part- have no tradition of governement being separate from religion, freedom of religion, the rule of law, or a democratic process.
This country is far from perfect in those respects. But we have a basic framework that cultivates some degree of tollerance and freedom of religion and individuality. You can not deny that there are Chriistians in this country-in our congress- who would trample on the rights of women even more that they already do,and subject gays to the harshest of penalties for just being gay and strip them of their rights and dignity if they only could. But with all of it's flaws, it is still the United States, and we still have a framework to hold the worst of such toitalitarian and theocratic tendancies at bay- at least for now.
Islam is not the problem. Radical theocracy, regardless of the brand, in the context of a conservitive and complicit social structure and inadequite legal protections are the problem.
Lastly, let me ask you this. In this country, who is it-Muslims or Christians- who are trying to roll back the righjts of women and attacking LGBT people? Who?
- it was a Muslim attorney general in Minnesota who dragged his wife out of bed by her ankles.
- it was a Muslim who shot up a gay nightclub in Orlando
Not sure if I showed where Christians are trying.
TheProgressivePatriot
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Lazy ass, anecdotal bullshit that in no way addresses the points that I madeI think that we have had this conversation before, but I will try again. My position has always been that all religions-especially authoritarian, monotheistic religions- have their dark underbellies, a tendancy towards controll their "flock" and others with fear and guilt.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
Interesting that you don't put Muslims in the same category, or frankly, even a worse category, considering that it isn't just terrorists and ISIS hate groups who behave this way. Most countries with Islamic governments oppress the rights of women and homosexuals and will jail them and literally execute them in some cases. They are far more brutal than any extremist Christian group, but strangely that never seems to bother you guys.
However, the extent to which those tendancies are allowed to florish unfettered, or are tamped down is a function of the social and political environment that they exist in.
The Muslim majority states that you refer to- for the most part- have no tradition of governement being separate from religion, freedom of religion, the rule of law, or a democratic process.
This country is far from perfect in those respects. But we have a basic framework that cultivates some degree of tollerance and freedom of religion and individuality. You can not deny that there are Chriistians in this country-in our congress- who would trample on the rights of women even more that they already do,and subject gays to the harshest of penalties for just being gay and strip them of their rights and dignity if they only could. But with all of it's flaws, it is still the United States, and we still have a framework to hold the worst of such toitalitarian and theocratic tendancies at bay- at least for now.
Islam is not the problem. Radical theocracy, regardless of the brand, in the context of a conservitive and complicit social structure and inadequite legal protections are the problem.
Lastly, let me ask you this. In this country, who is it-Muslims or Christians- who are trying to roll back the righjts of women and attacking LGBT people? Who?
- it was a Muslim attorney general in Minnesota who dragged his wife out of bed by her ankles.
- it was a Muslim who shot up a gay nightclub in Orlando
Not sure if I showed where Christians are trying.
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Lazy ass, anecdotal bullshit that in no way addresses the points that I madeI think that we have had this conversation before, but I will try again. My position has always been that all religions-especially authoritarian, monotheistic religions- have their dark underbellies, a tendancy towards controll their "flock" and others with fear and guilt.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
Interesting that you don't put Muslims in the same category, or frankly, even a worse category, considering that it isn't just terrorists and ISIS hate groups who behave this way. Most countries with Islamic governments oppress the rights of women and homosexuals and will jail them and literally execute them in some cases. They are far more brutal than any extremist Christian group, but strangely that never seems to bother you guys.
However, the extent to which those tendancies are allowed to florish unfettered, or are tamped down is a function of the social and political environment that they exist in.
The Muslim majority states that you refer to- for the most part- have no tradition of governement being separate from religion, freedom of religion, the rule of law, or a democratic process.
This country is far from perfect in those respects. But we have a basic framework that cultivates some degree of tollerance and freedom of religion and individuality. You can not deny that there are Chriistians in this country-in our congress- who would trample on the rights of women even more that they already do,and subject gays to the harshest of penalties for just being gay and strip them of their rights and dignity if they only could. But with all of it's flaws, it is still the United States, and we still have a framework to hold the worst of such toitalitarian and theocratic tendancies at bay- at least for now.
Islam is not the problem. Radical theocracy, regardless of the brand, in the context of a conservitive and complicit social structure and inadequite legal protections are the problem.
Lastly, let me ask you this. In this country, who is it-Muslims or Christians- who are trying to roll back the righjts of women and attacking LGBT people? Who?
- it was a Muslim attorney general in Minnesota who dragged his wife out of bed by her ankles.
- it was a Muslim who shot up a gay nightclub in Orlando
Not sure if I showed where Christians are trying.
Go back to your last paragraph. You asked a question and I provided two factual accounts that run counter to your premise that it is one or the other that is anti women or anti LGBT in this country.
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I know the SPLC was instrumental in cracking the back of the KKK.....so, I get the anger towards them.
House and Senate Democrats endorsed the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (SPLC) “Year in Hate” report that brands mainstream conservative and Christian nonprofits “hate groups” and plots them on a map with the Ku Klux Klan. The Democrats did not respond to longstanding criticisms of the SPLC regarding its racial discrimination and sexual harassment scandal or the fact that former SPLC employees have described the “hate” accusations as a “highly profitable scam.”
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Well, I get that from you. SPLC History: 1980sLol SPLC should be branded terrorists.
Bunch of hate filled loons
TheProgressivePatriot
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Bullshit . Two supposidly "factual accounts" does not in any way negate the my demonstrating that the nature of a religion in any given time or place is reflective of the social, historical and legal context. If you think what you provided is an answere, you are indeed a sad caseLazy ass, anecdotal bullshit that in no way addresses the points that I madeI think that we have had this conversation before, but I will try again. My position has always been that all religions-especially authoritarian, monotheistic religions- have their dark underbellies, a tendancy towards controll their "flock" and others with fear and guilt.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
Interesting that you don't put Muslims in the same category, or frankly, even a worse category, considering that it isn't just terrorists and ISIS hate groups who behave this way. Most countries with Islamic governments oppress the rights of women and homosexuals and will jail them and literally execute them in some cases. They are far more brutal than any extremist Christian group, but strangely that never seems to bother you guys.
However, the extent to which those tendancies are allowed to florish unfettered, or are tamped down is a function of the social and political environment that they exist in.
The Muslim majority states that you refer to- for the most part- have no tradition of governement being separate from religion, freedom of religion, the rule of law, or a democratic process.
This country is far from perfect in those respects. But we have a basic framework that cultivates some degree of tollerance and freedom of religion and individuality. You can not deny that there are Chriistians in this country-in our congress- who would trample on the rights of women even more that they already do,and subject gays to the harshest of penalties for just being gay and strip them of their rights and dignity if they only could. But with all of it's flaws, it is still the United States, and we still have a framework to hold the worst of such toitalitarian and theocratic tendancies at bay- at least for now.
Islam is not the problem. Radical theocracy, regardless of the brand, in the context of a conservitive and complicit social structure and inadequite legal protections are the problem.
Lastly, let me ask you this. In this country, who is it-Muslims or Christians- who are trying to roll back the righjts of women and attacking LGBT people? Who?
- it was a Muslim attorney general in Minnesota who dragged his wife out of bed by her ankles.
- it was a Muslim who shot up a gay nightclub in Orlando
Not sure if I showed where Christians are trying.
Go back to your last paragraph. You asked a question and I provided two factual accounts that run counter to your premise that it is one or the other that is anti women or anti LGBT in this country.
easyt65
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So this anti-Christian hate group helped 'crack the backs' of the Democrats' KKK....Sounds like they're not all bad.I know the SPLC was instrumental in cracking the back of the KKK.....so, I get the anger towards them.
House and Senate Democrats endorsed the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (SPLC) “Year in Hate” report that brands mainstream conservative and Christian nonprofits “hate groups” and plots them on a map with the Ku Klux Klan. The Democrats did not respond to longstanding criticisms of the SPLC regarding its racial discrimination and sexual harassment scandal or the fact that former SPLC employees have described the “hate” accusations as a “highly profitable scam.”
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I know the SPLC was instrumental in cracking the back of the KKK…
You “know” a lot of things that just aren't so.
For all intents an purposes, the KKK has been extinct since the 1980s. The SPLC is one of its successors.
TheProgressivePatriot
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I know the SPLC was instrumental in cracking the back of the KKK…
You “know” a lot of things that just aren't so.
For all intents an purposes, the KKK has been extinct since the 1980s. The SPLC is one of its successors.
marvin martian
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That is just too fucking stupid for words! You do not seem to get any smarter with time.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
I can see that. Racist and misogynistic Irish Catholics like the Kennedy and Biden families are good examples of hate groups.
Sorry my comment went over your head. I'll use smaller words next time, ok?
Winston
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According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
Wahhabism, you could probably make that argument. But you cannot label all of Islam as a hate group anymore than you can label all of Christianity as a hate group. But the factions mentioned in the OP, yeah, hate groups, easily. And yes, of the same order as the KKK.
Winston
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I think that we have had this conversation before, but I will try again. My position has always been that all religions-especially authoritarian, monotheistic religions- have their dark underbellies, a tendancy towards controll their "flock" and others with fear and guilt.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
Interesting that you don't put Muslims in the same category, or frankly, even a worse category, considering that it isn't just terrorists and ISIS hate groups who behave this way. Most countries with Islamic governments oppress the rights of women and homosexuals and will jail them and literally execute them in some cases. They are far more brutal than any extremist Christian group, but strangely that never seems to bother you guys.
However, the extent to which those tendancies are allowed to florish unfettered, or are tamped down is a function of the social and political environment that they exist in.
The Muslim majority states that you refer to- for the most part- have no tradition of governement being separate from religion, freedom of religion, the rule of law, or a democratic process.
This country is far from perfect in those respects. But we have a basic framework that cultivates some degree of tollerance and freedom of religion and individuality. You can not deny that there are Chriistians in this country-in our congress- who would trample on the rights of women even more that they already do,and subject gays to the harshest of penalties for just being gay and strip them of their rights and dignity if they only could. But with all of it's flaws, it is still the United States, and we still have a framework to hold the worst of such toitalitarian and theocratic tendancies at bay- at least for now.
Islam is not the problem. Radical theocracy, regardless of the brand, in the context of a conservitive and complicit social structure and inadequite legal protections are the problem.
Lastly, let me ask you this. In this country, who is it-Muslims or Christians- who are trying to roll back the righjts of women and attacking LGBT people? Who?
Muslim women could own property about a thousand years ago. Anglo-Saxon Christian women got that right less than two hundred years ago.
TheProgressivePatriot
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There isn't anything that you could spew from your pie hole that can go over my headThat is just too fucking stupid for words! You do not seem to get any smarter with time.No I do not. Islamic terrorists-ISIS, etc are hate groups. Islam is no more of a hate group that your typical Christian denonomination is. But there Christians-or so called Christian groups who are indeed hate groups.According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
Do you consider Islam to be a hate group?
I can see that. Racist and misogynistic Irish Catholics like the Kennedy and Biden families are good examples of hate groups.
Sorry my comment went over your head. I'll use smaller words next time, ok?
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No reason?There is no reason for anyone to think that the SPLC is "anti-Christian." There are people who call themselves "Christians" and then disgrace this faith by spreading hate and fear and actually try to justify it by reference to the Christian faith, which they are trying to destroy. Right-wing politics and the teachings of Jesus do not mix. They are polar opposites.
“Anti-Christian Hate Group” SPLC Becoming Increasingly Discredited
The Southern Poverty Law Center, widely viewed as an anti-Christian hate group, has descended to new lows, earning criticism even from mainstream media. by Alex Newman
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TheProgressivePatriot
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The New American - WikipediaNo reason?There is no reason for anyone to think that the SPLC is "anti-Christian." There are people who call themselves "Christians" and then disgrace this faith by spreading hate and fear and actually try to justify it by reference to the Christian faith, which they are trying to destroy. Right-wing politics and the teachings of Jesus do not mix. They are polar opposites.
“Anti-Christian Hate Group” SPLC Becoming Increasingly Discredited
The Southern Poverty Law Center, widely viewed as an anti-Christian hate group, has descended to new lows, earning criticism even from mainstream media. by Alex Newman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_N...ipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics']far-right
print and digital magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society (JBS), a far-right organization.[2][3][4][5][6] The magazine was created in 1985 from the merger of two JBS magazines: American Opinion and The Review of the News.http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/The New American (TNA) is a far-right print and digital magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society (JBS), a far-right organization. The magazine was created in 1985 from the merger of two JBS magazines: American Opinion and The Review of the News.
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JustAGuy1
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According to PJ Media, The SPLC " tars the reputations of law-abiding mainstream conservative and Christian organizations like the Family Research Council (FRC), Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF), and ACT for America." Well, lets see what these organizations are about:
House and Senate Democrats endorsed the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (SPLC) “Year in Hate” report that brands mainstream conservative and Christian nonprofits “hate groups” and plots them on a map with the Ku Klux Klan. The Democrats did not respond to longstanding criticisms of the SPLC regarding its racial discrimination and sexual harassment scandal or the fact that former SPLC employees have described the “hate” accusations as a “highly profitable scam.”
Family Research Council - Wikipedia
\FRC was formed in the United States in 1981 by James Dobson and incorporated in 1983.[6] In the late 1980s, FRC officially became a division of Dobson's main organization, Focus on the Family; however, after an administrative separation, FRC became an independent entity in 1992. Tony Perkins is its current president. It opposes and lobbies against: access to pornography, embryonic stem-cell research, abortion, divorce, and LGBT rights (such as anti-discrimination laws, same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, and LGBT adoption). FRC is affiliated with a 501(c)(4) lobbying PAC known as FRC Action.[7]
Sounds like a hate group to me. If this is "main stream Christianity, then I want no part of it.
And note the affiliation with Fuck Us On The Family:
10 Things You Should Know About Focus On The Family - HRC
WASHINGTON – Focus on the Family claims its mission is to help families thrive. Yet to anyone paying attention, it’s clear the organization is focused on one specific kind of family, and instead spends a lot of time, energy and money advocating against equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people and their families. In fact, the organization suggests that marriage equality will bring the destruction of civilization, and it has referred to the children of same-sex couples as “human guinea pigs
Read it and tell us how this is not HATE. Now lets look at the Alliance Defending Freedom.
Alliance Defending Freedom - Wikipedia
Alliance Defending Freedom(ADF, formerly Alliance Defense Fund) is an American conservative Christian nonprofit organization with the stated goal of advocating, training, and funding on the issues of "religious freedom, sanctity of life, and marriage and family".[5] ADF is headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona. It also has four branch offices located in Folsom, California; Washington, D.C.; Lawrenceville, Georgia; and New York.[6]
Because of its budget, caseload, and network of allied attorneys, ADF is seen as the most organized and influential Christian legal interest group in the country.[7] As of October 2018, ADF has argued nine cases before the Supreme Court and won all of them.[8][needs update]
The Southern Poverty Law Center designates the ADF as an anti-LGBTQ hate group.[9] The SPLC has also described the ADF as a "prominent Christian legal powerhouse," and criticized it for providing "advice to anti-gay bigots in Belize."[10]
Yes defending freedom. Defending the freedome of bigots to deny the freedome of others based on a warped definition of religious freedom.
Finally, there is ACT for America. It seems like thse so called mainstreme Christians that are being targeted as hate groups, do not just hate gays.
ACT! for America - Wikipedia
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Creative Commons — Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported — CC BY-SA 3.0ACT! for America, founded in 2007, is a U.S.-based anti-Muslim advocacy group dedicated to combating what it describes as "the threat of radical Islam" to the safety of Americans and to democracy.
Critics of the group, including the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Center for American Progress, describe it as a hate group. It has been called the U.S.'s largest anti-Muslim organization. Since 2017, the group has organized rallies in support of Donald Trump.
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To say that these groups represent mainstream Christians is moronic. What would Jesus do?
He'd let them continue in their sin as they've chosen to do and then they'd go to Hell as He warned them they would. See how easy that was? There is no hatred in the condemnation of sin.
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