Democrats, can you give me a critique on socialism? Whats wrong with it?

Democrats, can you give me a critique on socialism? Whats wrong with it?

Democrats continually assert they're against socialism and they're really capitalists and they're just not moonbat crazy like the free market guys.

So I'm wondering what democrats find so unappealing about socialism, which social or socioeconomic byproducts of the theory do you find oppressive..

Central economic planning's failing is that when the central planners screw the pooch, they do so for an entire marcoeconomy.

That's the major problem of socialism economically.

The other major problem with a socialized economy is that it ultimately leads to VERY authoritarian governments. As both the power of the law and government and the power of the economy are all the same few hands, their authority is extreme.

Of course there's many paths to authoritarian government.

Socialism is only the one obvious path to distopia.

Another path is the one that this nation seem to be on, right now.

The path where Insider capital takes over control of the monetary supply, thus putting themselves in the position of where they manipulate the money supply thus they can easily saddle the government and the people with debt.

Once their control of the money supply is achieved, they have authority over the state of the society no less than any aparachenik of the Soviet.

And of course then the GOLDEN RULE is truly in effect.

I'm not really convinced that any kind of government or economic system doesn't ultimately lead to increasingly authoritarian systems

It is in the nature of all social systems to put power into the hands of the few.

And it is in the nature of men that the kinds of people who seek power are ultimately corrupted by that power, too.

It is arguable that the kinds of people who seek power were probably corrupted before they sought power, but either way we know that few people when given power don't ultimately become arrogant and corrupted by it.
 
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Funny how conservatives are blaming Democrats for our fiscal issues when we don't have a government-controlled economy.

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I never cease to be amazed at how little people understand about Socialism. What are some of the Socialist movements the Democrats have done in the past oh, let's say 20 years?

As for one thing Democrats oppose about Socialism? The right to choose where you live, and what property you live on (obviously provided you can afford it).

PS-Socialism is when the general public/producers of a product, control/own the means of production-NOT the government. This means by default Socialism is NOT the same thing as Communism. I'd love to hear how Socialism and Communism are the same thing. It's inaccurate to say anyone (or group of people) promote both Socialism, and Communism. In order for this, they would obviously need to be the same thing. So go ahead guys-let's hear it.


I'm not saying I support Socialism or Communism-I don't. But seriously, get educated on the issues. Go read some Marx (I promise it wont kill you).

Are you talking to me?

Things like "socialism", "Marxism", "Communism" (or even Marxist-Leninist/ Mao Zedong Thought, if you will) overlap a little. It depends on the context...none of these things are entirely universal, but they don't have to be mutually exclusive.


Socialist economics still requires some planning by the state. That's not really something you can contest.
 
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Communism, Socialism Fascism, Crony Capitalism suffer from all being Statism

The problem with it, Sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state


Mussolini said it best about being a Statist leader

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."-
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)
 
Communism, Socialism Fascism, Crony Capitalism suffer from all being Statism

The problem with it, Sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state


Mussolini said it best about being a Statist leader

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."-
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)


I think that nailed it rather well.

If one defines socialism rather loosely as " the power of government to oversee activity of the people on all fronts" then certainly socialism leads to authoritarianism.


But let me ask you folks...what system does not lead to authoritarianism?

None that I can think of.
 
Communism, Socialism Fascism, Crony Capitalism suffer from all being Statism

The problem with it, Sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state


Mussolini said it best about being a Statist leader

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."-
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)


I think that nailed it rather well.

If one defines socialism rather loosely as " the power of government to oversee activity of the people on all fronts" then certainly socialism leads to authoritarianism.


But let me ask you folks...what system does not lead to authoritarianism?

None that I can think of.

Interesting...

The historical avg age of any society without major change
is claimed to be what- 200 years?

The Founding Fathers did try with the Constitution to create a central gov't with Enumerated powers.
Knowing that any social contract the people have with gov't does invite these problems

We see how well that has worked out over the years
:eusa_angel:

Perhaps, several thousand years from now
the US will be remembered as having distinct periods like Rome before its fall
 
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