Democrat Debate- Impressions and Tells

[Anathema]

The Wall Street bailouts and the QE program was what did me in for playing fair with Wall Street and the corporations. No, fuck them, fuck them to hell and Sanders promises he will do just that. It has a very nice ring to it.

It seems to be Mr. Sanders plan to pay for all his "free" stuff on the backs of Wall Street and the banks. How long do you think Wall Street and these bsnks are goibg to take thst before picking up their proverbial ball and findibg snother place to play their game? Then who's left to pay the bill?...... you and me.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The Wall Street bailouts and the QE program was what did me in for playing fair with Wall Street and the corporations. No, fuck them, fuck them to hell and Sanders promises he will do just that. It has a very nice ring to it.

It seems to be Mr. Sanders plan to pay for all his "free" stuff on the backs of Wall Street and the banks. How long do you think Wall Street and these bsnks are goibg to take thst before picking up their proverbial ball and findibg snother place to play their game? Then who's left to pay the bill?...... you and me.

What other place?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

It upsets you, I know.......but I'm very reasonable and have a very reasonable tone until presented with something really stupid.

You can't point to a single batshit crazy thing that I've ever said here. And that is why you have a visceral response whenever I post in one of your threads.

If I were so inclined I think I could, but you saved me from such an onerous slugging through the sewage with this.
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Blah.....blah....blah.....libtard......blah blah.......dumbass......blah blah.

That's you declining a simple challenge. Show me something I've said here that is unreasonable, please.

Your issue with me is that we don't agree on several issues. You therefore assume that I'm unreasonable.....while calling someone like AVGUYIA....reasonable. You must see the disconnect.

Quit whining about me. Jim isn't carrying my banner here. Yeah, I use hyperbole on occasion with my comments. But there is an element of truth to socialist killing the opposition. Defending open borders when Isis said they will use our southern border to invade is the same thing.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

One thing America learned from the debate last night is that the Democrat party needs to rebrand themselves as the American Democratic Socialist party. They are unashamedly socialists.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It upsets you, I know.......but I'm very reasonable and have a very reasonable tone until presented with something really stupid.

You can't point to a single batshit crazy thing that I've ever said here. And that is why you have a visceral response whenever I post in one of your threads.

If I were so inclined I think I could, but you saved me from such an onerous slugging through the sewage with this.
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Blah.....blah....blah.....libtard......blah blah.......dumbass......blah blah.

That's you declining a simple challenge. Show me something I've said here that is unreasonable, please.

Your issue with me is that we don't agree on several issues. You therefore assume that I'm unreasonable.....while calling someone like AVGUYIA....reasonable. You must see the disconnect.

Quit whining about me. Jim isn't carrying my banner here. Yeah, I use hyperbole on occasion with my comments. But there is an element of truth to socialist killing the opposition. Defending open borders when Isis said they will use our southern border to invade is the same thing.

Hyperbole? That's a very nice way to describe what's you do. It's misleading, but nice.

And...I'm not whining about you. I'm challenging Jim to do what he ought to do and dismiss the crazy that you bring to the discussion in spite of the fact that you and he agree on many issues. He's not accepting that challenge, of course.

You need to put an "s" at the end of "socialist" when you are discussing many people.

And......now to the "hyperbole" you added here. Socialism is an economic system. It isn't a form of government. You can have a socialist economy and a representative democracy......no dictators......no killing the opposition. You need to learn that.

Nobody is defending open borders, either. Nobody is inviting ISIS to attack the "homeland". That's not hyperbole......that's cray-cray.

 

[JimBowie1958]

It upsets you, I know.......but I'm very reasonable and have a very reasonable tone until presented with something really stupid.

You can't point to a single batshit crazy thing that I've ever said here. And that is why you have a visceral response whenever I post in one of your threads.

If I were so inclined I think I could, but you saved me from such an onerous slugging through the sewage with this.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Blah.....blah....blah.....libtard......blah blah.......dumbass......blah blah.

That's you declining a simple challenge. Show me something I've said here that is unreasonable, please.

Your issue with me is that we don't agree on several issues. You therefore assume that I'm unreasonable.....while calling someone like AVGUYIA....reasonable. You must see the disconnect.

No, I find AVeguy2a to be reasonable enough because he makes arguments and is not insulting. When I ask him a question he answers it reasonably even if I disagree with him. He tolerates disagreement and you have no respect for those that disagree with you.

And I met your challenge by simply including the sample post. No need to go further.

 

[JimBowie1958]

...snip...

The Wall Street bailouts and the QE program was what did me in for playing fair with Wall Street and the corporations. No, fuck them, fuck them to hell and Sanders promises he will do just that. It has a very nice ring to it.

Sanders presidency will cost $18 trillion. There is your "ring".

Got a link? It would be interesting to see who is making the estimate and whether that is net cost or gross cost.

How do you estimate the benefit to the public of having everyone who is capable of being an engineer, doctor, lawyer, teacher, etc fulfill those goals and then contribute to society and pay taxes? I seriously doubt that the later gain is included in the $18 trillion.

I have seen for the last 8 years the cost of designing our economy to maximize corporate and Wall Street bank profits. That was $18 trillion in lost capital in the derivatives market alone, if I recall correctly and over $4 trillion in bank bailouts and QE cost. And that had no gain to the 'investment' just lost revenue and capital from gambling on derivatives.

 

[JimBowie1958]

One thing America learned from the debate last night is that the Democrat party needs to rebrand themselves as the American Democratic Socialist party. They are unashamedly socialists.

There is a socialistic vein in the Democratic Party and has been at least since FDR.

Just as FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ are still fairly popular icons, the Demos did not lose their overwhelming popularity over their 'socialist' policies. They lost their brand over social issues like gun control, gay marriage, Affirmative Action, and so forth that was sponsored by the Ford Foundation with the obvious successful intent of dividing the working class against itself.

Sander's socialism is a fairly light touch as he is not calling for the nationalization of the means of production of any or all goods.

 

[JimBowie1958]

And...I'm not whining about you. I'm challenging Jim to do what he ought to do and dismiss the crazy that you bring to the discussion in spite of the fact that you and he agree on many issues. He's not accepting that challenge, of course.

I don't dismiss polite and reasonable disagreement.

And......now to the "hyperbole" you added here. Socialism is an economic system. It isn't a form of government. You can have a socialist economy and a representative democracy......no dictators......no killing the opposition. You need to learn that.

But for socialism to work it requires a strong central government and that is inimical to I think a majority of Americans, and we were seeing the effects of a government overly meddling in the economy with the Carter administration and his economy of 'malaise.'

Nobody is defending open borders, either. Nobody is inviting ISIS to attack the "homeland". That's not hyperbole......that's cray-cray.

Aveguy is talking about a practical or implied 'invitation, as when a family moves away for a three week vacation and does not get their mail or newspapers picked up and they leave all their doors unlocked and the windows open. One could well say that they are inviting anyone to enter into their house and do what they will. That isnot cray-cray.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Wall Street bailouts and the QE program was what did me in for playing fair with Wall Street and the corporations. No, fuck them, fuck them to hell and Sanders promises he will do just that. It has a very nice ring to it.

It seems to be Mr. Sanders plan to pay for all his "free" stuff on the backs of Wall Street and the banks. How long do you think Wall Street and these bsnks are goibg to take thst before picking up their proverbial ball and findibg snother place to play their game? Then who's left to pay the bill?...... you and me.

Agree with that entirely, and the trick or challenge to such 'soak the rich' policies is that you have to increase their taxes while at the same time increasing their services in some fashion and not make the tax increases so onerous that it simply drives many of the targeted rich out of the country.

It concerns me that the only person that was even raising such concerns was Webb who is being dismissed by some as someone who should be in the GOP. So we have this implication that if you want 'free' handouts, vote Democrat, but if you want reasonable governance, you have to go to the Republicans.

But on the other hand, the Republicans need to resurrect their concern, respect and love of the working class that they supplicate in every election before they go back to Washington DC and then immediately forget as they meet and greet all the corporate lobbyists instead.

 

[dannyboys]

The Wall Street bailouts and the QE program was what did me in for playing fair with Wall Street and the corporations. No, fuck them, fuck them to hell and Sanders promises he will do just that. It has a very nice ring to it.

It seems to be Mr. Sanders plan to pay for all his "free" stuff on the backs of Wall Street and the banks. How long do you think Wall Street and these bsnks are goibg to take thst before picking up their proverbial ball and findibg snother place to play their game? Then who's left to pay the bill?...... you and me.

What other place?

Oh let's see.
Japan/China/India/Canada/N.european countries like Germany.
You seem to be under the impression that the boys on Wall Street are dummies who would sit back and watch a fucking Socialist US government just walk in and take their money?
Wise up pal.
These are some seriously smart people who play three dimension financial chess while Bonobo and his bunch of feather weights are playing financial checkers.
I know someone 'on Wall Street' who moves millions of dollars around the world every hour. For his efforts he keeps .000000001%.
He's twenty five and he's a multimillionaire.
He laughs out loud when he hears 'Bobobo' whine about how unfair Wall Street is. He tells me the Federal government doesn't have a fucking clue about how/when/where billions of US dollars are at any given minute in the world economy.
I believe him.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Oh let's see.
Japan/China/India/Canada/N.european countries like Germany.
You seem to be under the impression that the boys on Wall Street are dummies who would sit back and watch a fucking Socialist US government just walk in and take their money?
Wise up pal.
These are some seriously smart people who play three dimension financial chess while Bonobo and his bunch of feather weights are playing financial checkers.
I know someone 'on Wall Street' who moves millions of dollars around the world every hour. For his efforts he keeps .000000001%.
He's twenty five and he's a multimillionaire.
He laughs out loud when he hears 'Bobobo' whine about how unfair Wall Street is. He tells me the Federal government doesn't have a fucking clue about how/when/where billions of US dollars are at any given minute in the world economy.
I believe him.

And that is going to change. The derivatives market is going to be put in good order soon, and the black pools and backside arrangements, HFT's and market manipulation that has been going on is going to be disciplined.

A market is not a free market simply because it has zero or little regulation. To have a truly free market one has to make the people who are engaged in it feel that they can freely engage that market without worrying about the market makers manipulating the markets as they are presently doing.

So a dash of government regulation, like salt on pork, keeps the market MORE free from corruption for those engaged in it, while making sure that the market makers are legit in their market policies and procedures.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The drudge instapoll thingy is showing Sanders considered winner at 54% and Webb number two at 24%.


**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE FIRST DEM DEBATE '16? - Results (poll 9125655)


I expected Sanders as he has an excellent ground game of devoted rank and file activists, but WEBB? How deos that compute? Webb may have done a Carly Fiorina here. I think he looked more mature and 'Presidential' than any of them, including Sanders, but I am inclined to have more regard for people who try to see all angles to a subject, and so I really like Webb.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Overnight debate numbers have the Dems at about half the GOP viewership, and that isn't good for the Dems no matter how you spin it.


Overnight ratings point to Democratic debate record

The total viewer number for Tuesday's matchup will be released on Wednesday afternoon. It will be much lower than both recent Republican debates, but the early data suggests there was still a surprising surge of interest in Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Martin O'Malley, Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb's first time together on stage.

Heading into Tuesday night, there was unanimous agreement that the total audience would be lower than the 25 million who tuned in for Fox's Republican debate on August 6. That debate -- fueled by Donald Trump -- shattered all previous primary debate records.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Trump twitterin during debatge got a lot of chatter.


Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) | Twitter


"@TimCooperTweets: How amazing is it that the #1 trending topic is @realDonaldTrump talking about the #DemDebate-more than the debate itself

 

[LoneLaugher]

It upsets you, I know.......but I'm very reasonable and have a very reasonable tone until presented with something really stupid.

You can't point to a single batshit crazy thing that I've ever said here. And that is why you have a visceral response whenever I post in one of your threads.

If I were so inclined I think I could, but you saved me from such an onerous slugging through the sewage with this.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Blah.....blah....blah.....libtard......blah blah.......dumbass......blah blah.

That's you declining a simple challenge. Show me something I've said here that is unreasonable, please.

Your issue with me is that we don't agree on several issues. You therefore assume that I'm unreasonable.....while calling someone like AVGUYIA....reasonable. You must see the disconnect.

No, I find AVeguy2a to be reasonable enough because he makes arguments and is not insulting. When I ask him a question he answers it reasonably even if I disagree with him. He tolerates disagreement and you have no respect for those that disagree with you.

And I met your challenge by simply including the sample post. No need to go further.

I absolutely have respect for those who I disagree with. When they merit said respect.

 

[EverCurious]

I say go for it on the employees get profit from company - it'll be hilarious because outside the global companies, employees will end up getting a pay decrease and better still every company in the country will be on the razors edge of failure at the slightest economic slump because 1% profit isn't even enough to run most of them for more than 2 months, and fuck being able to expand or upgrade...

There won't be any consumer security; aka I know x company makes good stuff, because everything will have to be small mom-n-pops, those that happen to make it past a year will fail on the typical recession slump every 10 years or so. Employees will constantly be out of work because their store shut down, and no one will be able to move around in the country/state with the same employer because said employers won't have enough capital to open new stores.

And the funniest part, the ones you want to "punish" with this brilliant idea, the global companies and the banks, will make out like bandits...

 

[JimBowie1958]

I absolutely have respect for those who I disagree with. When they merit said respect.

If you will stop and think about it that is a tautology, dude.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I say go for it on the employees get profit from company - it'll be hilarious because outside the global companies, employees will end up getting a pay decrease and better still every company in the country will be on the razors edge of failure at the slightest economic slump because 1% profit isn't even enough to run most of them for more than 2 months, and fuck being able to expand or upgrade...

There won't be any consumer security; aka I know x company makes good stuff, because everything will have to be small mom-n-pops, those that happen to make it past a year will fail on the typical recession slump every 10 years or so. Employees will constantly be out of work because their store shut down, and no one will be able to move around in the country/state with the same employer because said employers won't have enough capital to open new stores.

And the funniest part, the ones you want to "punish" with this brilliant idea, the global companies and the banks, will make out like bandits...

If the employees are BUYING stock in the company that they work for, how is the company losing anything?

 

[LoneLaugher]

I absolutely have respect for those who I disagree with. When they merit said respect.

If you will stop and think about it that is a tautology, dude.

Hmmmm. A tautology. A new word.

tau·tol·o·gy
tôˈtäləjē/
noun

1. the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style (e.g., they arrived one after the other in succession ).
   synonyms: pleonasm, repetition, reiteration, redundancy, superfluity, duplication
   "avoid such tautology as "let's all work together, everyone, as a team" by saying simply "let's work together""
   • a phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words.
     plural noun: tautologies
   • LOGIC
     a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form.

I looked it up. Still not sure what you are trying to say. Wanna try something else?

Ask around, chief. If I show a person with whom I disagree..... disrespect.....they have earned it. In every case.