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Where is JimBowie? I think some liberal took over his password. Let's say you mortgage your house, cashed in your life insurance and 401k to start your business. Which option do you choose now?It was actually a lot better than I was expecting. Of course, I did not have very high expectations.
Neither did I, but I was pleasantly surprised.
Obviously they are all jumping on the wealth disparity issue.
And why not? Why do conservatives have this inane idea that this country exists to pad Wall Street bonus checks? What is so fundamentally wrong with designing our economic policies to let anyone willing to work have a prosperous future that conservatives think the whole idea 'repulsive'?
The whole "share profits with the workers upon whose backs they were earned" is repulsive and wrong on so many levels.
Why? Say I have this neato idea to make a widget for $1 and sell them for $5, but I cant personally make enough of them to fill all the orders I get, so I hire people to make the widgets. Three scenarios, which is the more optimal?
Scenario one: I pay each worker $15 an hour plus all benefits imaginable and I net a 1% profit and after a few years of 60 hour work weeks making my business work, I finally sell it and retire.
Scenario 2: I pay the workers the lowest prevailing wage I can get away with and they only make a 50 cent commission per widget they make and I get fabulously rich overseeing them.
Scenario 3: I pay the workers $2 per widget, splitting my profit with them. They make a lot of money and I make a lot of money. I give them stock options in my little company so they make more money as I grow my business and we all profit from playing for the same team; my company I started that is now a joint venture for everyone involved.
I like scenario 3 myself, and wonder why we don't see it more and I know why; too many businesses working on the second model undercut the decent ones and drive them out of business in cut throat capitalism.
WHY DO CONSERVATIVE THINK OUR ECONOMIC POLCIES SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARD CUT THROAT COMPETITION? Who really wants to live life like that?
20 years ago there would have been no way they could have gotten away with that leftist tripe. Now the audience applauds it.
Where is your indignation at the $13 trillion dollars lost in the 2008 real estate meltdown? Where is the outrage at Wall Street banks collecting over $4 trillion in QE bailouts that is coming indirectly out of the savings of every American in the form of higher inflation?
Why is it good to throw more profits to the ridiculously rich and kick hard working Americans to the curb to live or die or what ever? What is right about letting companies fire workers in their 50's who have never worked at another company in their whole lives and have no other skill set to go get a comparably paying job that wont hire them anyway due to their age? Whole towns in this country are dying off and American conservatives are like 'and so what?' This is one facet of conservatism that alienates so many Americans from conservative ideology.
Pretty discouraging for the future of our nation.
Americans coming together to protect their own interest is discouraging? Discouraging for who exactly? Corporations? Wall Street banks?
Don't worry, they'll survive Iron head and still live at a logarithmically higher life style scale than you or I do.
you're a complete idjitSanders is a Socialist. Their solution to America's problems would be the same as the communist party of Russia. Kill anybody who disagrees with them. American Socialist will take the easy out too and kill conservatives if they stand there holding the Constitution.
It's a Democratic party primary you goofballHere's thing. Nobody except the fanatic liberal crazies are going to vote for any of these candiates.
Blackrook: "It is ingrained in the minds of millions of Americans that they are entitled to free stuff from the government."
Like you? You don't even support this Forum but here you are posting here and criticizing others as liking "free stuff".......what a buffoon.
too bad. you could have done humanity a favor and choked on your own pukeI couldn't tell you anything about it because I didn't watch it. If I had to listen to that bunch of progs for very long, I'd probably have to vomit.
What a great debate.....Democrats showed Republicans how a debate is done. They discussed issues that Americans are concerned about instead of attacking each other like the "food fight" debate the Republicans held. They talked about supporting programs that help Americans unlike the Republicans, whose main topic was getting rid of programs that help Americans. What a difference.
The best performer was Hillary........Bernie was okay, but your idea that Huckabee would beat him is hilarious.
And none of the Republican candidates are going to be able to debate Hillary.......she's way more polished and experienced than any of your "outsiders" who are still wet behind the ears.
The only reason you think Webb did the best was because he was the one that sounded more like a conservative than any of the others. He doesn't have a chance against Hillary, though.
Sanders is a Socialist. Their solution to America's problems would be the same as the communist party of Russia. Kill anybody who disagrees with them. American Socialist will take the easy out too and kill conservatives if they stand there holding the Constitution.
Sanders is a Socialist. Their solution to America's problems would be the same as the communist party of Russia. Kill anybody who disagrees with them. American Socialist will take the easy out too and kill conservatives if they stand there holding the Constitution.
This is one of the foibles of the American conservative movement that I have been trying to get my conservative friends to reappraise for the last twenty years at least.
There are many kinds of socialism, from 'democratic socialism' and 'Fabian socialism' on the more populist/Western side of the spectrum all the way to Maoist radicalism which was pretty much as you described. You are not going to defeat Sanders by trying to paint him like a communist. Nobody want to hear that over-reach in comparisons when we have serious 'bad behavior' by Wall Street banks and major corporations and far too much corporate money in our political system, corrupting it. If conservatives don't pull their heads out of their asses on this topic they are going to lose and deserve to lose.
Where is JimBowie? I think some liberal took over his password. Let's say you mortgage your house, cashed in your life insurance and 401k to start your business. Which option do you choose now?It was actually a lot better than I was expecting. Of course, I did not have very high expectations.
Neither did I, but I was pleasantly surprised.
Obviously they are all jumping on the wealth disparity issue.
And why not? Why do conservatives have this inane idea that this country exists to pad Wall Street bonus checks? What is so fundamentally wrong with designing our economic policies to let anyone willing to work have a prosperous future that conservatives think the whole idea 'repulsive'?
The whole "share profits with the workers upon whose backs they were earned" is repulsive and wrong on so many levels.
Why? Say I have this neato idea to make a widget for $1 and sell them for $5, but I cant personally make enough of them to fill all the orders I get, so I hire people to make the widgets. Three scenarios, which is the more optimal?
Scenario one: I pay each worker $15 an hour plus all benefits imaginable and I net a 1% profit and after a few years of 60 hour work weeks making my business work, I finally sell it and retire.
Scenario 2: I pay the workers the lowest prevailing wage I can get away with and they only make a 50 cent commission per widget they make and I get fabulously rich overseeing them.
Scenario 3: I pay the workers $2 per widget, splitting my profit with them. They make a lot of money and I make a lot of money. I give them stock options in my little company so they make more money as I grow my business and we all profit from playing for the same team; my company I started that is now a joint venture for everyone involved.
I like scenario 3 myself, and wonder why we don't see it more and I know why; too many businesses working on the second model undercut the decent ones and drive them out of business in cut throat capitalism.
WHY DO CONSERVATIVE THINK OUR ECONOMIC POLCIES SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARD CUT THROAT COMPETITION? Who really wants to live life like that?
20 years ago there would have been no way they could have gotten away with that leftist tripe. Now the audience applauds it.
Where is your indignation at the $13 trillion dollars lost in the 2008 real estate meltdown? Where is the outrage at Wall Street banks collecting over $4 trillion in QE bailouts that is coming indirectly out of the savings of every American in the form of higher inflation?
Why is it good to throw more profits to the ridiculously rich and kick hard working Americans to the curb to live or die or what ever? What is right about letting companies fire workers in their 50's who have never worked at another company in their whole lives and have no other skill set to go get a comparably paying job that wont hire them anyway due to their age? Whole towns in this country are dying off and American conservatives are like 'and so what?' This is one facet of conservatism that alienates so many Americans from conservative ideology.
Pretty discouraging for the future of our nation.
Americans coming together to protect their own interest is discouraging? Discouraging for who exactly? Corporations? Wall Street banks?
Don't worry, they'll survive Iron head and still live at a logarithmically higher life style scale than you or I do.
Option 3 still as my higher amount of stock in my company would still give me a proportionate share of my profits from the company while still giving the workers a chance to buy into the company and share in the future with it.
Jim your third scenario said this:Where is JimBowie? I think some liberal took over his password. Let's say you mortgage your house, cashed in your life insurance and 401k to start your business. Which option do you choose now?It was actually a lot better than I was expecting. Of course, I did not have very high expectations.
Neither did I, but I was pleasantly surprised.
Obviously they are all jumping on the wealth disparity issue.
And why not? Why do conservatives have this inane idea that this country exists to pad Wall Street bonus checks? What is so fundamentally wrong with designing our economic policies to let anyone willing to work have a prosperous future that conservatives think the whole idea 'repulsive'?
The whole "share profits with the workers upon whose backs they were earned" is repulsive and wrong on so many levels.
Why? Say I have this neato idea to make a widget for $1 and sell them for $5, but I cant personally make enough of them to fill all the orders I get, so I hire people to make the widgets. Three scenarios, which is the more optimal?
Scenario one: I pay each worker $15 an hour plus all benefits imaginable and I net a 1% profit and after a few years of 60 hour work weeks making my business work, I finally sell it and retire.
Scenario 2: I pay the workers the lowest prevailing wage I can get away with and they only make a 50 cent commission per widget they make and I get fabulously rich overseeing them.
Scenario 3: I pay the workers $2 per widget, splitting my profit with them. They make a lot of money and I make a lot of money. I give them stock options in my little company so they make more money as I grow my business and we all profit from playing for the same team; my company I started that is now a joint venture for everyone involved.
I like scenario 3 myself, and wonder why we don't see it more and I know why; too many businesses working on the second model undercut the decent ones and drive them out of business in cut throat capitalism.
WHY DO CONSERVATIVE THINK OUR ECONOMIC POLCIES SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARD CUT THROAT COMPETITION? Who really wants to live life like that?
20 years ago there would have been no way they could have gotten away with that leftist tripe. Now the audience applauds it.
Where is your indignation at the $13 trillion dollars lost in the 2008 real estate meltdown? Where is the outrage at Wall Street banks collecting over $4 trillion in QE bailouts that is coming indirectly out of the savings of every American in the form of higher inflation?
Why is it good to throw more profits to the ridiculously rich and kick hard working Americans to the curb to live or die or what ever? What is right about letting companies fire workers in their 50's who have never worked at another company in their whole lives and have no other skill set to go get a comparably paying job that wont hire them anyway due to their age? Whole towns in this country are dying off and American conservatives are like 'and so what?' This is one facet of conservatism that alienates so many Americans from conservative ideology.
Pretty discouraging for the future of our nation.
Americans coming together to protect their own interest is discouraging? Discouraging for who exactly? Corporations? Wall Street banks?
Don't worry, they'll survive Iron head and still live at a logarithmically higher life style scale than you or I do.
Option 3 still as my higher amount of stock in my company would still give me a proportionate share of my profits from the company while still giving the workers a chance to buy into the company and share in the future with it.
Scenario 3: I pay the workers $2 per widget, splitting my profit with them. They make a lot of money and I make a lot of money. I give them stock options in my little company so they make more money as Igrow mybusiness and we all profit from playing for the same team; my companyI started that is now a joint venture for everyone involved.
Good assessment JB. I would give Anderson a high grade. He did not pull punches or ask softball questions. I would also agree that Webb was the realist on the panel and he is the only one that I would even consider voting for.
The luntz focus group gave Bernie the blue ribbon. All,I can say about the focus group is that those dems live in a totally different world than I do, and it reenforces the huge divide in this country.
I cannot believe that all the dems wanted to give every illegal alien in this country all the benefits that would accrue to American citizens.
The overview of the whole debate for me though was that you would think that whole panel was running against an incumbent republican administration. There are so many problems that have not been solved or have been made worse in the last,years. The constant talk about a declining middle class and income inequality are all products of the Obama administration.
So a smart political operative would take these comments and make a killer ad FOR republicans with sound bites from this debate.
Sanders is a Socialist. Their solution to America's problems would be the same as the communist party of Russia. Kill anybody who disagrees with them. American Socialist will take the easy out too and kill conservatives if they stand there holding the Constitution.
This is one of the foibles of the American conservative movement that I have been trying to get my conservative friends to reappraise for the last twenty years at least.
There are many kinds of socialism, from 'democratic socialism' and 'Fabian socialism' on the more populist/Western side of the spectrum all the way to Maoist radicalism which was pretty much as you described. You are not going to defeat Sanders by trying to paint him like a communist. Nobody want to hear that over-reach in comparisons when we have serious 'bad behavior' by Wall Street banks and major corporations and far too much corporate money in our political system, corrupting it. If conservatives don't pull their heads out of their asses on this topic they are going to lose and deserve to lose.
Why did you "thank" his comment, then? Reflex?
Sanders is a Socialist. Their solution to America's problems would be the same as the communist party of Russia. Kill anybody who disagrees with them. American Socialist will take the easy out too and kill conservatives if they stand there holding the Constitution.
This is one of the foibles of the American conservative movement that I have been trying to get my conservative friends to reappraise for the last twenty years at least.
There are many kinds of socialism, from 'democratic socialism' and 'Fabian socialism' on the more populist/Western side of the spectrum all the way to Maoist radicalism which was pretty much as you described. You are not going to defeat Sanders by trying to paint him like a communist. Nobody want to hear that over-reach in comparisons when we have serious 'bad behavior' by Wall Street banks and major corporations and far too much corporate money in our political system, corrupting it. If conservatives don't pull their heads out of their asses on this topic they are going to lose and deserve to lose.
Why did you "thank" his comment, then? Reflex?
I appreciate his reasonable tone and asking a legit and fair question, unlike you libtards who cant seem to fathom what a legit and fair question even is.
You're taking all the risk, not your employees.
Sanders is a Socialist. Their solution to America's problems would be the same as the communist party of Russia. Kill anybody who disagrees with them. American Socialist will take the easy out too and kill conservatives if they stand there holding the Constitution.
This is one of the foibles of the American conservative movement that I have been trying to get my conservative friends to reappraise for the last twenty years at least.
There are many kinds of socialism, from 'democratic socialism' and 'Fabian socialism' on the more populist/Western side of the spectrum all the way to Maoist radicalism which was pretty much as you described. You are not going to defeat Sanders by trying to paint him like a communist. Nobody want to hear that over-reach in comparisons when we have serious 'bad behavior' by Wall Street banks and major corporations and far too much corporate money in our political system, corrupting it. If conservatives don't pull their heads out of their asses on this topic they are going to lose and deserve to lose.
Why did you "thank" his comment, then? Reflex?
I appreciate his reasonable tone and asking a legit and fair question, unlike you libtards who cant seem to fathom what a legit and fair question even is.
You think that dude has a reasonable tone? Funny.
Sanders is a Socialist. Their solution to America's problems would be the same as the communist party of Russia. Kill anybody who disagrees with them. American Socialist will take the easy out too and kill conservatives if they stand there holding the Constitution.
This is one of the foibles of the American conservative movement that I have been trying to get my conservative friends to reappraise for the last twenty years at least.
There are many kinds of socialism, from 'democratic socialism' and 'Fabian socialism' on the more populist/Western side of the spectrum all the way to Maoist radicalism which was pretty much as you described. You are not going to defeat Sanders by trying to paint him like a communist. Nobody want to hear that over-reach in comparisons when we have serious 'bad behavior' by Wall Street banks and major corporations and far too much corporate money in our political system, corrupting it. If conservatives don't pull their heads out of their asses on this topic they are going to lose and deserve to lose.
Why did you "thank" his comment, then? Reflex?
I appreciate his reasonable tone and asking a legit and fair question, unlike you libtards who cant seem to fathom what a legit and fair question even is.
You think that dude has a reasonable tone? Funny.
You wouldn't have a clue about what reasonable is, dumbass.
It upsets you, I know.......but I'm very reasonable and have a very reasonable tone until presented with something really stupid.
You can't point to a single batshit crazy thing that I've ever said here. And that is why you have a visceral response whenever I post in one of your threads.
Blah.....blah....blah.....libtard......blah blah.......dumbass......blah blah.
My impression...... I didn't hear anything new from any of the candidates.
Bernie is still politically closer to Joe Stalin thsn George Washington.
Webb, O'Malley and Chaffee still have better chances of winning last night's PowerBall jackpot than the race.
Hillary is still sonethibg vaguely related to a human female.
In short there was nithi g on that stage last night that would be any good for the USA.
It upsets you, I know.......but I'm very reasonable and have a very reasonable tone until presented with something really stupid.
You can't point to a single batshit crazy thing that I've ever said here. And that is why you have a visceral response whenever I post in one of your threads.
If I were so inclined I think I could, but you saved me from such an onerous slugging through the sewage with this.
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Blah.....blah....blah.....libtard......blah blah.......dumbass......blah blah.
Sanders presidency will cost $18 trillion. There is your "ring"....snip...
The Wall Street bailouts and the QE program was what did me in for playing fair with Wall Street and the corporations. No, fuck them, fuck them to hell and Sanders promises he will do just that. It has a very nice ring to it.
