Dem supermajority for 24 days, NOT 2 YEARS. Lying Pubs!

[francoHFW]

The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 24 working days during that period. Here are the details:

To define terms, a Filibuster-Proof Majority or Super Majority is the number of votes required to overcome a filibuster in the Senate. According to current Senate rules, 60 votes are required to overcome a filibuster.

Here is a time-line of the events after the 2008 election:

1. BALANCE BEFORE THE ELECTION. In 2007 – 2008 the balance in the Senate was 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. On top of that, there was a Republican president who would likely veto any legislation the Republicans didn’t like. Not exactly a super majority.

2. BIG GAIN IN 2008, BUT STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. Coming out the 2008 election, the Democrats made big gains, but they didn’t immediately get a Super Majority. The Minnesota Senate race required a recount and was not undecided for more than six months. During that time, Norm Coleman was still sitting in the Senate and the Balance 59-41, still not a Super Majority.

3. KENNEDY GRAVELY ILL. Teddy Kennedy casts his last vote in April and leaves Washington for good around the first of May. Technically he could come back to Washington vote on a pressing issue, but in actual fact, he never returns, even to vote on the Sotomayor confirmation. That leaves the balance in the Senate 58-41, two votes away from a super majority.

4. STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. In July, Al Frankin was finally declared the winner and was sworn in on July 7th, 2009, so the Democrats finally had a Super Majority of 60-40 six and one-half months into the year. However, by this point, Kennedy was unable to return to Washington even to participate in the Health Care debate, so it was only a technical super majority because Kennedy could no longer vote and the Senate does not allow proxies. Now the actual actual balance of voting members is 59-40 not enough to overcome a Republican filibuster.

5. SENATE IS IN RECESS. Even if Kennedy were able to vote, the Senate went into summer recess three weeks later, from August 7th to September 8th.

6. KENNEDY DIES. Six weeks later, on Aug 26, 2009 Teddy Kennedy died, putting the balance at 59-40. Now the Democrats don’t even have technical super majority.

7. FINALLY, A SUPER MAJORITY! Kennedy’s replacement was sworn in on September 25, 2009, finally making the majority 60-40, just enough for a super majority.

8. SENATE ADJOURNS. However the Senate adjourned for the year on October 9th, only providing 11 working days of super majority, from September 25th to October 9th.

8. SCOTT BROWN ELECTED. Scott Brown was elected in November of 2009. The Senate was not in session during November and December of 2009. The Senate was in session for 10 days in January, but Scott Brown was sworn into office on February 4th, so the Democrats only had 13 days of super majority in 2010.

Summary: The Democrats only had 24 days of Super Majority between 2008 and 2010.

Discussion: The Democrats had a super majority for a total of 24 days. On top of that, the period of Super Majority was split into one 11-day period and one 13-day period. Given the glacial pace that business takes place in the Senate, this was way too little time for the Democrats pass any meaningful legislation, let alone get bills through committees and past all the obstructionistic tactics the Republicans were using to block legislation.

Further, these Super Majorities count Joe Lieberman as a Democrat even though he was by this time an Independent. Even though he was Liberal on some legislation, he was very conservative on other issues and opposed many of the key pieces of legislation the Democrats and Obama wanted to pass. For example, he was adamantly opposed to “Single Payer” health care and vowed to support a Republican Filibuster if it ever came to the floor.

Summary:

1. 1/07 – 12/08 – 51-49 – Ordinary Majority.
2. 1/09 – 7/14/09 – 59-41 – Ordinary Majority. (Coleman/Franklin Recount.)
3. 7/09 – 8/09 - 60-40 – Technical Super Majority, but since Kennedy is unable to vote, the Democrats can’t overcome a filibuster
4. 8/09 – 9/09 - 59-40 – Ordinary Majority. (Kennedy dies)
5. 9/09 – 10/09 - 60-40 – Super Majority for 11 working days.
6. 1/10 – 2/10 – 60-40 – Super Majority for 13 working days

Total Time of the Democratic Super Majority: 24 Working days.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2009_calendar.pdf
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2010_calendar.pdf
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Using your logic that 59 Senators do not control the Senate then Bush never had the Senate in the 8 years he was President. The most he ever had was 51 Senators.

Pubs don't want to fix anything- they love the greedy rich stealing. They just want to cut taxes (on the bloated rich)-only need 51 votes. Disfunction and paralysis, and refusal to pass ANYTHING , in THEIR depression, is a very bad idea for the country. They've already said they don't care, just want to get Obama out. Unfortunately for them, there's not that many dupes anymore....

 

[francoHFW]

Dems compromise on good bills, even not such good bills, like Pharma reform...Pubs these days, NOT.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 24 working days during that period. Here are the details:

To define terms, a Filibuster-Proof Majority or Super Majority is the number of votes required to overcome a filibuster in the Senate. According to current Senate rules, 60 votes are required to overcome a filibuster.

Here is a time-line of the events after the 2008 election:

1. BALANCE BEFORE THE ELECTION. In 2007 – 2008 the balance in the Senate was 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. On top of that, there was a Republican president who would likely veto any legislation the Republicans didn’t like. Not exactly a super majority.

2. BIG GAIN IN 2008, BUT STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. Coming out the 2008 election, the Democrats made big gains, but they didn’t immediately get a Super Majority. The Minnesota Senate race required a recount and was not undecided for more than six months. During that time, Norm Coleman was still sitting in the Senate and the Balance 59-41, still not a Super Majority.

3. KENNEDY GRAVELY ILL. Teddy Kennedy casts his last vote in April and leaves Washington for good around the first of May. Technically he could come back to Washington vote on a pressing issue, but in actual fact, he never returns, even to vote on the Sotomayor confirmation. That leaves the balance in the Senate 58-41, two votes away from a super majority.

4. STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. In July, Al Frankin was finally declared the winner and was sworn in on July 7th, 2009, so the Democrats finally had a Super Majority of 60-40 six and one-half months into the year. However, by this point, Kennedy was unable to return to Washington even to participate in the Health Care debate, so it was only a technical super majority because Kennedy could no longer vote and the Senate does not allow proxies. Now the actual actual balance of voting members is 59-40 not enough to overcome a Republican filibuster.

5. SENATE IS IN RECESS. Even if Kennedy were able to vote, the Senate went into summer recess three weeks later, from August 7th to September 8th.

6. KENNEDY DIES. Six weeks later, on Aug 26, 2009 Teddy Kennedy died, putting the balance at 59-40. Now the Democrats don’t even have technical super majority.

7. FINALLY, A SUPER MAJORITY! Kennedy’s replacement was sworn in on September 25, 2009, finally making the majority 60-40, just enough for a super majority.

8. SENATE ADJOURNS. However the Senate adjourned for the year on October 9th, only providing 11 working days of super majority, from September 25th to October 9th.

8. SCOTT BROWN ELECTED. Scott Brown was elected in November of 2009. The Senate was not in session during November and December of 2009. The Senate was in session for 10 days in January, but Scott Brown was sworn into office on February 4th, so the Democrats only had 13 days of super majority in 2010.

Summary: The Democrats only had 24 days of Super Majority between 2008 and 2010.

Discussion: The Democrats had a super majority for a total of 24 days. On top of that, the period of Super Majority was split into one 11-day period and one 13-day period. Given the glacial pace that business takes place in the Senate, this was way too little time for the Democrats pass any meaningful legislation, let alone get bills through committees and past all the obstructionistic tactics the Republicans were using to block legislation.

Further, these Super Majorities count Joe Lieberman as a Democrat even though he was by this time an Independent. Even though he was Liberal on some legislation, he was very conservative on other issues and opposed many of the key pieces of legislation the Democrats and Obama wanted to pass. For example, he was adamantly opposed to “Single Payer” health care and vowed to support a Republican Filibuster if it ever came to the floor.

Summary:

1. 1/07 – 12/08 – 51-49 – Ordinary Majority.
2. 1/09 – 7/14/09 – 59-41 – Ordinary Majority. (Coleman/Franklin Recount.)
3. 7/09 – 8/09 - 60-40 – Technical Super Majority, but since Kennedy is unable to vote, the Democrats can’t overcome a filibuster
4. 8/09 – 9/09 - 59-40 – Ordinary Majority. (Kennedy dies)
5. 9/09 – 10/09 - 60-40 – Super Majority for 11 working days.
6. 1/10 – 2/10 – 60-40 – Super Majority for 13 working days

Total Time of the Democratic Super Majority: 24 Working days.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2009_calendar.pdf
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2010_calendar.pdf
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Waaaaaaaaa.

 

[007]

Well, Boooshies only passed tax cuts- only 51 votes needed. And there was always the blue dogs. Dems are not lockstep liars and obstructionists like Pubs (see Iraq)...

All Pubs care about are stupid tax cuts and putting their cronies in charge of the SEC, GSA, ATF, pentagon, etc so they can rip off the country and pretend they're cops and soldiers, stupid chickenhawks...

I'd neg ya, but you're so sons a bitchin' stupid you've already been negged thousands into the hole so what's the use?

Did your brain washing start at a young age?

 

[Intense]

The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 24 working days during that period. Here are the details:

To define terms, a Filibuster-Proof Majority or Super Majority is the number of votes required to overcome a filibuster in the Senate. According to current Senate rules, 60 votes are required to overcome a filibuster.

Here is a time-line of the events after the 2008 election:

1. BALANCE BEFORE THE ELECTION. In 2007 – 2008 the balance in the Senate was 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. On top of that, there was a Republican president who would likely veto any legislation the Republicans didn’t like. Not exactly a super majority.

2. BIG GAIN IN 2008, BUT STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. Coming out the 2008 election, the Democrats made big gains, but they didn’t immediately get a Super Majority. The Minnesota Senate race required a recount and was not undecided for more than six months. During that time, Norm Coleman was still sitting in the Senate and the Balance 59-41, still not a Super Majority.

3. KENNEDY GRAVELY ILL. Teddy Kennedy casts his last vote in April and leaves Washington for good around the first of May. Technically he could come back to Washington vote on a pressing issue, but in actual fact, he never returns, even to vote on the Sotomayor confirmation. That leaves the balance in the Senate 58-41, two votes away from a super majority.

4. STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. In July, Al Frankin was finally declared the winner and was sworn in on July 7th, 2009, so the Democrats finally had a Super Majority of 60-40 six and one-half months into the year. However, by this point, Kennedy was unable to return to Washington even to participate in the Health Care debate, so it was only a technical super majority because Kennedy could no longer vote and the Senate does not allow proxies. Now the actual actual balance of voting members is 59-40 not enough to overcome a Republican filibuster.

5. SENATE IS IN RECESS. Even if Kennedy were able to vote, the Senate went into summer recess three weeks later, from August 7th to September 8th.

6. KENNEDY DIES. Six weeks later, on Aug 26, 2009 Teddy Kennedy died, putting the balance at 59-40. Now the Democrats don’t even have technical super majority.

7. FINALLY, A SUPER MAJORITY! Kennedy’s replacement was sworn in on September 25, 2009, finally making the majority 60-40, just enough for a super majority.

8. SENATE ADJOURNS. However the Senate adjourned for the year on October 9th, only providing 11 working days of super majority, from September 25th to October 9th.

8. SCOTT BROWN ELECTED. Scott Brown was elected in November of 2009. The Senate was not in session during November and December of 2009. The Senate was in session for 10 days in January, but Scott Brown was sworn into office on February 4th, so the Democrats only had 13 days of super majority in 2010.

Summary: The Democrats only had 24 days of Super Majority between 2008 and 2010.

Discussion: The Democrats had a super majority for a total of 24 days. On top of that, the period of Super Majority was split into one 11-day period and one 13-day period. Given the glacial pace that business takes place in the Senate, this was way too little time for the Democrats pass any meaningful legislation, let alone get bills through committees and past all the obstructionistic tactics the Republicans were using to block legislation.

Further, these Super Majorities count Joe Lieberman as a Democrat even though he was by this time an Independent. Even though he was Liberal on some legislation, he was very conservative on other issues and opposed many of the key pieces of legislation the Democrats and Obama wanted to pass. For example, he was adamantly opposed to “Single Payer” health care and vowed to support a Republican Filibuster if it ever came to the floor.

Summary:

1. 1/07 – 12/08 – 51-49 – Ordinary Majority.
2. 1/09 – 7/14/09 – 59-41 – Ordinary Majority. (Coleman/Franklin Recount.)
3. 7/09 – 8/09 - 60-40 – Technical Super Majority, but since Kennedy is unable to vote, the Democrats can’t overcome a filibuster
4. 8/09 – 9/09 - 59-40 – Ordinary Majority. (Kennedy dies)
5. 9/09 – 10/09 - 60-40 – Super Majority for 11 working days.
6. 1/10 – 2/10 – 60-40 – Super Majority for 13 working days

Total Time of the Democratic Super Majority: 24 Working days.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2009_calendar.pdf
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2010_calendar.pdf
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Congress approves $3.44 trillion budget resolution
HEALTH CARE
April 29, 2009

Congress approved a budget plan Wednesday, President Obama's 100th day in office.

Congress approved a $3.4 trillion budget for the coming year Wednesday, approving most of President Obama's key spending priorities including increasing in health care, education and alternative energy spending.

The spending plan passed without a single Republican vote in either the House or Senate.

The Senate voted for the plan 53-43. Four Democrats, including recent party-switcher Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, voted against it.

Earlier, the House approved the budget 233-193, with 17 Democrats voting against it.

The measure passed two days after congressional Democrats reached an agreement reconciling House and Senate versions of the budget package.

"Today, for the first time in many, many years, we have a president's budget ... that is a statement of our national values," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said during the final debate on the House floor.

"What is important to us as a nation is reflected in this budget. It's a very happy day for our country."

Republicans said the budget reflected reckless taxing and spending priorities that would leave the country in a more fiscally precarious position.

"Budgets are supposed to be about tough decisions, and there are no tough decisions in this budget," said House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio.

"It spends an awful lot of money, it raises a lot of taxes, and it puts all of this debt on the backs of our kids and grandkids. This is not the American way. The American way has been about a more limited government."

In one of the most contentious and politically polarizing decisions this year, Democratic budget negotiators decided to fast-track a key part of the budget process.

Major health care reform is likely to pass this year because the special process, known as budget reconciliation, won't allow Republicans to filibuster the legislation, as was widely expected.

Democrats, who control 59 seats in the Senate, will be able to pass it with a simple majority vote instead of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster.

Congress approves $3.44 trillion budget resolution - CNN


Anything you say, Frank.

 

[Harry Dresden]

No they dont have party discipline like in Europe, but it does matter. The healthcare vote was extremely partisan. I mean it costs congressmen their jobs, because people voted for it when the public didnt want it and still doesnt.

No party has EVER been as lockstep filibusterers as Pubs right now. Not to mention destructive brinkmanship on normally routine things like debt limit rises, and ridiculous witch hunts. Or such lying propagandists. A disgrace.

ACA is a GD Pub bill, based on Nixon/Dole/Heritage/Newt/Romney plans. Just shows what swine Pubs are these days. Not only Pub voters are dupes of their gigantic propaganda machine, and 30 % wanted MORE, ie single payer.

ACA will be THE most popular gov't progam by 2016. Romneycare is a great success, has cut costs 15%, and Mass already has the slowest rising costs in the US, 2%/yr. (Frontline) And ACA is better...

Trolls don't argue facts, they make stupid insults, Pubtroll (the only kind).

I think I asked this question in this very thread a little while ago, and you didn't answer. Now you're repeating the same BS with absolutely no shame. What filibuster did the R's use against your Messiah's plans?

Answer or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

get your Franco-American dictionary out.....your going to need it....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No they dont have party discipline like in Europe, but it does matter. The healthcare vote was extremely partisan. I mean it costs congressmen their jobs, because people voted for it when the public didnt want it and still doesnt.

No party has EVER been as lockstep filibusterers as Pubs right now. Not to mention destructive brinkmanship on normally routine things like debt limit rises, and ridiculous witch hunts. Or such lying propagandists. A disgrace.

ACA is a GD Pub bill, based on Nixon/Dole/Heritage/Newt/Romney plans. Just shows what swine Pubs are these days. Not only Pub voters are dupes of their gigantic propaganda machine, and 30 % wanted MORE, ie single payer.

ACA will be THE most popular gov't progam by 2016. Romneycare is a great success, has cut costs 15%, and Mass already has the slowest rising costs in the US, 2%/yr. (Frontline) And ACA is better...

Trolls don't argue facts, they make stupid insults, Pubtroll (the only kind).

I think I asked this question in this very thread a little while ago, and you didn't answer. Now you're repeating the same BS with absolutely no shame. What filibuster did the R's use against your Messiah's plans?

Answer or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

All he does is make shit up never answers a question I have asked him this

I have this friend who has 17 years old daughter who want's to date this 19 year old guy. We both know the guy and he's a player who has knocked up three other girls. The Father is trying his best to obstruct his daughter from seeing the guy but the mother fully supports her daughter who wants to see the guy. Is my friend justified in being an obstructionist?

And he keeps throwing shit out there. Don't expect much.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Super-majority and filibuster-proof are totally meaningless terms as they apply to the political parties,

for the simple reason that no party member is required to vote with his party.

It's just fodder for meaningless conversations.

No they dont have party discipline like in Europe, but it does matter. The healthcare vote was extremely partisan. I mean it costs congressmen their jobs, because people voted for it when the public didnt want it and still doesnt.

A bigger percentage of Democrats who voted against the healthcare bill lost their jobs in 2010 than did Democrats who voted for it.

Uh, lets see some data on that and lets see if other factors, like the type of district were in play. I find that VERY hard to believe.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You're a GD brainwashed moron, there've been record numbers of filibusters the whole time Obama's been president. How 'bout everything BUT ACA. The Jobs Act, Dream Act. Now of course they have the House.

Frankie.....so are you.....i know ....its hard to believe....that Degree from the Cheerios box looks so real.....

 

[Charles_Main]

The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 24 working days during that period. Here are the details:

To define terms, a Filibuster-Proof Majority or Super Majority is the number of votes required to overcome a filibuster in the Senate. According to current Senate rules, 60 votes are required to overcome a filibuster.

Here is a time-line of the events after the 2008 election:

1. BALANCE BEFORE THE ELECTION. In 2007 – 2008 the balance in the Senate was 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. On top of that, there was a Republican president who would likely veto any legislation the Republicans didn’t like. Not exactly a super majority.

2. BIG GAIN IN 2008, BUT STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. Coming out the 2008 election, the Democrats made big gains, but they didn’t immediately get a Super Majority. The Minnesota Senate race required a recount and was not undecided for more than six months. During that time, Norm Coleman was still sitting in the Senate and the Balance 59-41, still not a Super Majority.

3. KENNEDY GRAVELY ILL. Teddy Kennedy casts his last vote in April and leaves Washington for good around the first of May. Technically he could come back to Washington vote on a pressing issue, but in actual fact, he never returns, even to vote on the Sotomayor confirmation. That leaves the balance in the Senate 58-41, two votes away from a super majority.

4. STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. In July, Al Frankin was finally declared the winner and was sworn in on July 7th, 2009, so the Democrats finally had a Super Majority of 60-40 six and one-half months into the year. However, by this point, Kennedy was unable to return to Washington even to participate in the Health Care debate, so it was only a technical super majority because Kennedy could no longer vote and the Senate does not allow proxies. Now the actual actual balance of voting members is 59-40 not enough to overcome a Republican filibuster.

5. SENATE IS IN RECESS. Even if Kennedy were able to vote, the Senate went into summer recess three weeks later, from August 7th to September 8th.

6. KENNEDY DIES. Six weeks later, on Aug 26, 2009 Teddy Kennedy died, putting the balance at 59-40. Now the Democrats don’t even have technical super majority.

7. FINALLY, A SUPER MAJORITY! Kennedy’s replacement was sworn in on September 25, 2009, finally making the majority 60-40, just enough for a super majority.

8. SENATE ADJOURNS. However the Senate adjourned for the year on October 9th, only providing 11 working days of super majority, from September 25th to October 9th.

8. SCOTT BROWN ELECTED. Scott Brown was elected in November of 2009. The Senate was not in session during November and December of 2009. The Senate was in session for 10 days in January, but Scott Brown was sworn into office on February 4th, so the Democrats only had 13 days of super majority in 2010.

Summary: The Democrats only had 24 days of Super Majority between 2008 and 2010.

Discussion: The Democrats had a super majority for a total of 24 days. On top of that, the period of Super Majority was split into one 11-day period and one 13-day period. Given the glacial pace that business takes place in the Senate, this was way too little time for the Democrats pass any meaningful legislation, let alone get bills through committees and past all the obstructionistic tactics the Republicans were using to block legislation.

Further, these Super Majorities count Joe Lieberman as a Democrat even though he was by this time an Independent. Even though he was Liberal on some legislation, he was very conservative on other issues and opposed many of the key pieces of legislation the Democrats and Obama wanted to pass. For example, he was adamantly opposed to “Single Payer” health care and vowed to support a Republican Filibuster if it ever came to the floor.

Summary:

1. 1/07 – 12/08 – 51-49 – Ordinary Majority.
2. 1/09 – 7/14/09 – 59-41 – Ordinary Majority. (Coleman/Franklin Recount.)
3. 7/09 – 8/09 - 60-40 – Technical Super Majority, but since Kennedy is unable to vote, the Democrats can’t overcome a filibuster
4. 8/09 – 9/09 - 59-40 – Ordinary Majority. (Kennedy dies)
5. 9/09 – 10/09 - 60-40 – Super Majority for 11 working days.
6. 1/10 – 2/10 – 60-40 – Super Majority for 13 working days

Total Time of the Democratic Super Majority: 24 Working days.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2009_calendar.pdf
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2010_calendar.pdf
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As if being a couple Votes Short of Super Majorities in Both Houses is such a Handy Cap. What it proves is that Democrats were unwilling to Compromise on most Issues. If they had they could have got the Couple Rep Votes they needed to pass stuff. Period.

Do you not understand how pathetic you sound. "We didn't have Super Majorities for 2 years we had had them for 24 days, Then we still had some of the biggest Majorities either party has seen in Years and was unable to get anything done."

I know you will Blame it all on the Republican Filibuster, But the Truth is with so few votes needed to break them, It says more about Democrats unwillingness to genuinely Compromise than Republicans.

Instead Obama Had Pelosi and Reed Playing politics for him the whole time trying to make it look like Republicans were stopping his every move, when all he had to do was budge a little and he could have done so much.

Utter and complete Failure.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dems compromise on good bills, even not such good bills, like Pharma reform...Pubs these days, NOT.

Let's make sure the Republicans control the White House, have a big majority in the House and 59 votes in the Senate.

You won't have to worry, they won't be able to pass anything with those numbers.

 

[francoHFW]

Tell me the bills ONE pub has voted for since 2/2010 LOL. A total disgrace in the middle of THEIR depression. If Booosh had 59 votes, there's ALWAYS a bluedog or 2 that'll go along. Why do you think Snowe quit? Change the channel, morons- these Dem bills are compromises not a single Pub will vote vote for.

The Dream Act was WRITTEN by Dems AND Pubs. The ones that WROTE it won't vote for it LOL.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Dems compromise on good bills, even not such good bills, like Pharma reform...Pubs these days, NOT.

Let's make sure the Republicans control the White House, have a big majority in the House and 59 votes in the Senate.

You won't have to worry, they won't be able to pass anything with those numbers.

That's another way of looking at it.

 

[francoHFW]

Unfortunately for THAT dupe theory, Dems care too much about the country to go this far.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Unfortunately for THAT dupe theory, Dems care too much about the country to go this far.

hey dupe answer this if you have the guts

I have this friend who has 17 years old daughter who want's to date this 19 year old guy. We both know the guy and he's a player who has knocked up three other girls. The Father is trying his best to obstruct his daughter from seeing the guy but the mother fully supports her daughter who wants to see the guy. Is my friend justified in being an obstructionist?

 

[francoHFW]

Yes. Duh. Duh. Dupes!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes. Duh. Duh. Dupes!

What's wrong dupe?

 

[francoHFW]

And thanks for the depression and the stupidest wars ever. Pubs!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And thanks for the depression and the stupidest wars ever. Pubs!

dupe
wars are smart? How many Americans died in the democrats war of Vietnam? Was that a smart war?

 

[occupied]

Unfortunately for THAT dupe theory, Dems care too much about the country to go this far.

hey dupe answer this if you have the guts

I have this friend who has 17 years old daughter who want's to date this 19 year old guy. We both know the guy and he's a player who has knocked up three other girls. The Father is trying his best to obstruct his daughter from seeing the guy but the mother fully supports her daughter who wants to see the guy. Is my friend justified in being an obstructionist?

Crappy metaphor, to apply, the father would have to be doing horrible things to the daughter (America) and does not want this new kid stealing his action. Blanket congressional obstruction is an entirely self-interested tactic, do not assume even the slightest altruistic motive in making the senate vote 60.