CDZ Decline of public consciousness in America

[2aguy]

I did manage to find one interesting statement from the author of this thread:

"...The greatest reason in my opinion is a loss of public consciousness, since it is absolutely vital that a ruling state presides over a strong nation, and the American nation is losing its identity and culture."

That sounds like a rousing endorsement of President Trump's nationalism putting America and Americans first. Good to see you are on board.

He has let the world identify Americans as dumb as fuck while creating a culture of hate and divisiveness.

No...obama is out of office...Trump is in office now and the world is going to see that we aren't going to bow and scrape to other countries anymore....

Again..the hate is coming from democrats, not republicans....

Charles Murray attacked....
A Violent Attack on Free Speech at Middlebury
Radio host Mike Savage attacked...
Radio host Savage says he was attacked outside Tiburon restaurant
Riot at Milo rallies....
Physical Violence, Injuries at Anti-MILO Riots at UC Berkeley - Breitbart
Woman Trump supporter sprayed in face with pepper spray at Milo Speech...
Female Trump Supporter Pepper-Sprayed By Berkeley Rioter During TV Interview [VIDEO]
elderly woman hit with a chair by hilary supporter, sent to hospital...
PA Police: Hillary Fan Bashed Elderly Woman's Head with Chair During Election Argument - Breitbart

An argument over the recent election ended with one Donora, Pennsylvania, supporter of Hillary Clinton charged with assault after hitting a 69-year-old woman over the head with a chair, according to police.
Matthew Pugh, 27, was arrested on November 30 on charges of attempted homicide, aggravated assault, simple assault, and reckless endangerment, after allegedly attacking the elderly woman in the lobby of a high rise, according to the Observer-Reporter.
Police say that Clinton supporter Pugh and the woman were discussing the recent election in the lobby of the building back on November 20 when the woman either spoke against Hillary or made a favorable comment about Trump, sending the younger man into a rage.
He allegedly picked up a chair and hit the old woman in the head, opening a gash in her forehead. Pugh was said to have knocked the woman to the floor, and she suffered additional injuries in the fall.
Officials report that both the elderly woman and her attacker were taken to Monongahela Valley Hospital for treatment of injuries suffered in the fight.
Republican headquarters firebombed.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/u...bombed-gop-office-in-north-carolina.html?_r=0
Trump supporter chased and beaten because he wore Trump Hat...
Black Lives Matter Mob Chases, Beats Man Wearing Trump Hat
---Trump supporter shot in the leg...

Paul Jones, Trump supporter, shot at Cleveland bar during heated political debate

---Trump supporter hit with crow bar....

Man Attacked With Crowbar Over Donald Trump T-Shirt: Cops

---Female Trump supporter hit with eggs and bottle....

Female Trump Supporter Hit With Eggs, Bottles as California Protest Turns Violent — See What Was Caught on Video

SAN JOSE, Calif. (TheBlaze/AP) — A few hundred protesters are blocking traffic and some are scuffling with supporters of Donald Trump after the presidential candidate’s rally in San Jose, California.

Police were keeping their distance and not getting involved with the protesters marching in the streets outside of San Jose Convention Center on Thursday night.

One woman, a Trump supporter, was surrounded by protesters who allegedly threw eggs and bottles at her head,BuzzFeed reported.


---Moron democrats stop Trump rally in chicago..

Inside the Protest That Stopped the Trump Rally

--left wing socialist, a democrat supporter, tries to murder Trump...

Source: Man who grabbed gun wanted to kill Trump - CNN Video

---left wing democrats shut down Arizona highway to Trump rally....

'Shut Down Trump': Protesters Shut Down AZ Highway to Rally

--democrats punch Trump supporters at same rally where they threw eggs and bottles at the woman....

Punches, eggs thrown as protesters attack Trump supporters outside San Jose rally

Protests outside a Donald Trump rally in downtown San Jose spun out of control Thursday night when some demonstrators attacked the candidate's supporters.

Protesters jumped on cars, pelted Trump supporters with eggs and water balloons, snatched signs, and stole "Make America Great" hats off supporters' heads before burning them and snapping selfies with the charred remains.

Several people were caught on camera punching Trump supporters. At least one attacker was arrested, according to CNN, although police did not release much information.


---democrat mob attacks Trump motorcade and supporters....

Mainstream media ignores anti-Trump mob in Minneapolis | Fox News

A violent mob terrorized Donald Trump donors but the Mainstream Media ignored the story. It happened Friday night at a fundraiser held at the Minneapolis Convention Center.

Some of Trump’s supporters were punched and spat upon, The Hill reports. Others were pelted by garbage and taunted by the angry mob.

Click here to join Todd’s American Dispatch: a must-read for Conservatives!

The vicious thugs actually attacked elderly women. What kind of a lowlife does something like that?

 

[MarathonMike]

I did manage to find one interesting statement from the author of this thread:

"...The greatest reason in my opinion is a loss of public consciousness, since it is absolutely vital that a ruling state presides over a strong nation, and the American nation is losing its identity and culture."

That sounds like a rousing endorsement of President Trump's nationalism putting America and Americans first. Good to see you are on board.

He has let the world identify Americans as dumb as fuck while creating a culture of hate and divisiveness.

What is dumb about protecting our borders, renegotiating trade agreements, rebuilding infrastructure, and reducing corporate taxes to a more globally competitive level?

 

[Onyx]

What is dumb about protecting our borders, renegotiating trade agreements, rebuilding infrastructure, and reducing corporate taxes to a more globally competitive level?

You believe in God right? Well he didn't create the world just to divide his people along arbitrary lines. A competitive economy cannot exist without a competitive workforce, and a competitive workforce cannot exist without full immigration.

Renegotiation of trade deals really just means higher tariffs, which is a position that virtually all economists reject.

Rebuilding infrastructure is code for giving hundreds of billions in welfare for corporations. It's disgraceful to hard working taxpayers.

I agree with lowering corporate taxes. It looks like he is only going to lower corporate taxes, while everyone else has their taxes raised or stay the same in order to pay for all his bullshit.

 

[Picaro]

You believe in God right? Well he didn't create the world just to divide his people along arbitrary lines.

Where do you get this nonsense? The bible is full of nations and tribes and peoples, and recognizes the need for governments and defense. Why is it people who don't have the first clue about that book are always telling those who have what it says they should do? Ridiculous.

A competitive economy cannot exist without a competitive workforce, and a competitive workforce cannot exist without full immigration.

More nonsense with zero basis in fact or history.The years the U.S. restricted immigration were among its best decades in productivity growth, and infrastructure growth as well.

Renegotiation of trade deals really just means higher tariffs, which is a position that virtually all economists reject.

Wrong, and economics is not a real science, and unilaterally rejecting tariffs while nobody else does just bleeds a country dry, as does out-sourcing capital investment and jobs. There is no right to some limitless access to labor for businesses, especially at the expense of the nation as a whole. There has never been a labor shortage in America, not in its entire history.

Rebuilding infrastructure is code for giving hundreds of billions in welfare for corporations. It's disgraceful to hard working taxpayers.

Getting really ridiculous here. It's infrastructure spending that increases then means to move ahead and grow and expand for a much larger group than just a few farmers living on waterways.

I agree with lowering corporate taxes. It looks like he is only going to lower corporate taxes, while everyone else has their taxes raised or stay the same in order to pay for all his bullshit.

He's promoting lowering domestic taxes, but also promoting bringing back our tax base. whether he succeeds or not is open, since both establishment parties represent rent seekers who like the easy money from labor racketeering and tax breaks from overseas, and don't want to rock that boat.

 

[Picaro]

What is dumb about protecting our borders, renegotiating trade agreements, rebuilding infrastructure, and reducing corporate taxes to a more globally competitive level?

Because assorted racists, 'globalists', and the like said so, apparently, and since the same assortment also promotes sexual deviancy and legalizing pot or something they must be right ...

They now claim it's Trump who promoted violence and inflamed racial hatred, too, which of course is just the opposite of the truth, so yeah, they're lying and stupid about it to boot.

 

[Onyx]

Where do you get this nonsense? The bible is full of nations and tribes and peoples, and recognizes the need for governments and defense. Why is it people who don't have the first clue about that book are always telling those who have what it says they should do? Ridiculous.

So when did God commission the creation of these kingdoms, and what does the bible mean when it implies that the only true kingdom is that of God.

The years the U.S. restricted immigration were among its best decades in productivity growth, and infrastructure growth as well.

The US has never had a strict immigration policy, and ended up with the largest economy on earth. More people results in more money and competition.

and unilaterally rejecting tariffs while nobody else does just bleeds a country dry, as does out-sourcing capital investment and jobs.

Tariffs limit trade, and less trade never creates more money.

Outsourcing does create jobs, and usually higher quality ones. Allowing a product to be produced at lower costs overseas allows it to be sold for more profit at home. More profit means more business, which results in the creation of marketing, salesman, R&D, and all other kinds of high quality positions.

It's infrastructure spending that increases then means to move ahead and grow and expand for a much larger group than just a few farmers living on waterways.

No one is disputing the importance of infrastructure. What Donald Trump wants is corporate welfare, which protects unproductive behavior and disadvantages fair competition.

He's promoting lowering domestic taxes, but also promoting bringing back our tax base. whether he succeeds or not is open, since both establishment parties represent rent seekers who like the easy money from labor racketeering and tax breaks from overseas, and don't want to rock that boat.

I have only seen plans to help the rich out thus far, but let's say you're right. His proposed budget increases the deficit (even though they claim it will stay the same) which necessitates levying more taxes.. The idea that even the highest level of considerable tax cuts would increase the tax base large enough to equalize the situation in time is ludicrous.

His ramblings do not reconcile from a fiscally responsible point of view, and when they realize this either taxes or the debt will skyrocket.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Clean debate zone and he starts of with .."you fucker"......mods ...anyone

 

[Onyx]

Clean debate zone and he starts of with .."you fucker"......mods ...anyone

Big deal. Whining to the mods because you don't like what I have to say is pathetic.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Clean debate zone and he starts of with .."you fucker"......mods ...anyone

Big deal. Whining to the mods because you don't like what I have to say is pathetic.

I stopped at you fuckkers......if you really wanted someone to "care" perhaps honest discussion with mutual respect eh which is what this forum is supposed to be.......

 

[MarathonMike]

What is pathetic is opening a CDZ topic to do nothing but make vague, rambling anti-American statements. Do you have a point ? If so, what is it?

 

[Onyx]

What is pathetic is opening a CDZ topic to do nothing but make vague, rambling anti-American statements. Do you have a point ? If so, what is it?

The OP was asking a series of questions. My personal position is that Americans have lost their collective consciousness, and is one of the reasons why the United States is a rapidly declining joke.

 

[Picaro]

So when did God commission the creation of these kingdoms, and what does the bible mean when it implies that the only true kingdom is that of God.

Who said he commissioned them? this is just a stupid comment. If you don't know what is being implied by the 'true kingdom', that's up to you to find out. Hint: it isn't Somalia.

The US has never had a strict immigration policy, and ended up with the largest economy on earth

Yes, it has. you don't know because you've never studied American history.

More people results in more money and competition.

For who? Not for most people, it doesn't.

Tariffs limit trade, and less trade never creates more money.

Simplistic nonsense. Ask the British what happened when they did away with their tariffs while everybody else kept theirs. American companies pay tariffs on their exports now. The U.S. grew to a world power via tariffs protecting its industries from foreign dumping.

Outsourcing does create jobs, and usually higher quality ones.

lol no it doesn't; it makes it less and less worthwhile for your own people to strive for those jobs, and eventually you become entirely dependent on foreign labor. It's a stupid and destructive policy. You reach a point where you can't be self-supporting and sufficient.

Allowing a product to be produced at lower costs overseas allows it to be sold for more profit at home.

Products sell for what they get for them, period; no company lowers their prices just because they cut labor costs or any other costs. You know squat about business.

More profit means more business, which results in the creation of marketing, salesman, R&D, and all other kinds of high quality positions.

More nonsense. High productivity jobs get replaced with unemployment and low paying part time service jobs. That in turn causes less disposable income, which of course less demand and starts the same cycle in the other countries; it's nothing but a race to the bottom. Always has been. Quit reading the Ron Paul nonsense and the Wall Street Journal; they're liars.

No one is disputing the importance of infrastructure. What Donald Trump wants is corporate welfare, which protects unproductive behavior and disadvantages fair competition.

According to you.

I have only seen plans to help the rich out thus far, but let's say you're right. His proposed budget increases the deficit (even though they claim it will stay the same) which necessitates levying more taxes.The idea that even the highest level of considerable tax cuts would increase the tax base large enough to equalize the situation in time is ludicrous.

This makes no sense either. It's some meme you repeat here. And I didn't say tax cuts would be what increases the tax base, I said bringing back jobs here and increasing investment here would work to to do that. Of course you have to ignore that part as if it didn't exist in order to sell some simplistic libertarian narrative.

His ramblings do not reconcile from a fiscally responsible point of view,

How do you know?

and when they realize this either taxes or the debt will skyrocket.

That would have happened under hillary or Jeb, so what? They were just going to expand the looting of our economy, bring in more third world rabble, while Trump wants to rebuild the real economy; if the coupon clippers and stock speculators lose some money, tough, they contribute less than nothing to it now so nobody need care about their whining either.

If he fails it won't be his fault, and we know whose it will be.

 

[Picaro]

What is pathetic is opening a CDZ topic to do nothing but make vague, rambling anti-American statements. Do you have a point ? If so, what is it?

They're all mostly troll threads, not serious topics. This one is no different.

 

[Tehon]

Financially, militarily, socially, and internally. Best that Americans just abandon hope and look towards the future.

In your estimation, what is at the rootO of the decay? How should the future deviate from the present?

I offer up capitalism as the root of the decay.

I believe the American country, American nation, and American state are three different concepts. All three are in decline.

The American country, as in the actual land of America, is in decline primarily due to disregard for the environment. The American nation, as in the people and culture of America, are in decline due to a loss of public consciousness and divisiveness due to politics.

Now the American state, as in the actual government and military that composes the United States, is in decline due to fiscal irresponsibility, widespread corruption, outdated thinking, loss of public consciousness, internal and societal rifts, failure to maintain competitive trade relationships, ect. The greatest reason in my opinion is a loss of public consciousness, since it is absolutely vital that a ruling state presides over a strong nation, and the American nation is losing its identity and culture.

I have plenty of radical opinions on economics, and am a vocal critic of state capitalism. However I would not characterize state capitalism as the underlying reason for the decline of the United States, since literally every state on earth engages in that economic philosophy.

We live in a society that has organized itself economically to reward self interest. The loss of social consciousness should come as no surprise.

"In the social production of their life, men enter into definite relations that are indispensable and independent of their will; these relations of production correspond to a definite stage of development of their material forces of production. The sum total of these relations of production constitutes the economic structure of society — the real foundation, on which rises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness. The mode of production of material life determines the social, political and intellectual life process in general. It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness."
Karl Marx

Quoting marx...the man who created a belief system that murdered 100 million innocent men, women and children since 1917...can't be taken seriously......

Marx is still relevant today.

It takes no effort to view Trump's victory thru the lens of class struggle. The working class want their jobs back. Jobs that the capitalist class relocated elsewhere for higher profit margins.

The struggle continues......

 

[Picaro]

Marx is still relevant today.

Parts of Vol. I are; he had many valid critiques, it's his 'solutions' that sucked. We can forget Vols. II and III, since they were merely Engel's pet nonsense, not Marx's, as Marx himself abandoned defending his theories when Karl Menger and others published theirs; he had no valid rebuttals to Menger's theories.

 

[MarathonMike]

What is pathetic is opening a CDZ topic to do nothing but make vague, rambling anti-American statements. Do you have a point ? If so, what is it?

The OP was asking a series of questions. My personal position is that Americans have lost their collective consciousness, and is one of the reasons why the United States is a rapidly declining joke.

America is not "The Borg".

 

[Onyx]

Who said he commissioned them?

If God didn't commission the creation of states, then my point stands.

For who? Not for most people, it doesn't.

For everyone. Competition boosts the economy, and a stronger economy will inevitably create more opportunities.

Ask the British what happened when they did away with their tariffs while everybody else kept theirs.

Tariffs are highly unpopular among British economists. You're still ignoring the fact that they are steeped in no logic whatsoever.

American companies pay tariffs on their exports now. The U.S. grew to a world power via tariffs protecting its industries from foreign dumping.

False. The United States had a high tariff policy leading up to the great depression. Since 1933 the United States has maintained a policy of extremely low tariffs. Pretty much the rest of the world too.

it makes it less and less worthwhile for your own people to strive for those jobs, and eventually you become entirely dependent on foreign labor.

Only foreign labor that is cheaper and more efficient. If domestic companies cannot stay competitive, then they shouldn't be protected. All that is doing is protecting unsustainable and uneconomic behavior.

Products sell for what they get for them, period; no company lowers their prices just because they cut labor costs or any other costs.

Lower costs = higher profit margins. More profit = economic growth. Economic growth = jobs

I didn't say lower costs = lower prices. I explicitly stated that lower costs = greater profits. The former is true as well.

High productivity jobs get replaced with unemployment and low paying part time service jobs.

This doesn't even make sense. When low income factory jobs are outsourced, high income white collar jobs are created domestically. It's basic macroeconomics.

And I didn't say tax cuts would be what increases the tax base, I said bringing back jobs here and increasing investment here would work to to do that.

My point still stands. No increase in the tax base can be made fast enough to offset the increased deficit.

 

[anotherlife]

Seriously, what do you fuckers stand for? It certainly isn't opportunity and new beginnings. Definitely not freedom and liberty.

Do the American people represent anything anymore? Where did the idealism and spirit go? A decline in public consciousness almost always predates the collapse of an empire. Is this the end of the United States?

The decline of public consciousness was arranged on purpose.

Other countries are worse though. Their public consciousness is strong, because it is based on killing their neighbors. At least Americans are not that way.

 

[MarathonMike]

Who said he commissioned them?

If God didn't commission the creation of states, then my point stands.

For who? Not for most people, it doesn't.

For everyone. Competition boosts the economy, and a stronger economy will inevitably create more opportunities.

Ask the British what happened when they did away with their tariffs while everybody else kept theirs.

Tariffs are highly unpopular among British economists. You're still ignoring the fact that they are steeped in no logic whatsoever.

American companies pay tariffs on their exports now. The U.S. grew to a world power via tariffs protecting its industries from foreign dumping.

False. The United States had a high tariff policy leading up to the great depression. Since 1933 the United States has maintained a policy of extremely low tariffs. Pretty much the rest of the world too.

it makes it less and less worthwhile for your own people to strive for those jobs, and eventually you become entirely dependent on foreign labor.

Only foreign labor that is cheaper and more efficient. If domestic companies cannot stay competitive, then they shouldn't be protected. All that is doing is protecting unsustainable and uneconomic behavior.

Products sell for what they get for them, period; no company lowers their prices just because they cut labor costs or any other costs.

Lower costs = higher profit margins. More profit = economic growth. Economic growth = jobs

I didn't say lower costs = lower prices. I explicitly stated that lower costs = greater profits. The former is true as well.

High productivity jobs get replaced with unemployment and low paying part time service jobs.

This doesn't even make sense. When low income factory jobs are outsourced, high income white collar jobs are created domestically. It's basic macroeconomics.

And I didn't say tax cuts would be what increases the tax base, I said bringing back jobs here and increasing investment here would work to to do that.

My point still stands. No increase in the tax base can be made fast enough to offset the increased deficit.

Agreed. That is why real budget cuts and shutting down redundant government departments and laying off non-essential employees and contractors has to happen. That is precisely what Trump is focusing on.

 

[Onyx]

Agreed. That is why real budget cuts and shutting down redundant government departments and laying off non-essential employees and contractors has to happen. That is precisely what Trump is focusing on.

Did you read his budget proposal? He is inevitably going to increase the deficit and raise the debt ceiling.

It isn't fiscally responsible, and he lied about not doing those things during the campaign.