Death Panels..Canadian Style

[Lumpy 1]

He is unresponsive, and practically dead as it is. Pulling the plug will not be murder.

In certain religions you can't pull the plug. You just can't do it. It's wrong.

Certain religions - well, all religions - are wrong and should have no say in making or applying law.

So according to you government has the right to trample on a citizens (religious freedoms) Constitutional Rights and decide on life or death ie.. "Life & Death Panels"..

 

[Dragonlady]

Oh we have death panels. Oh that we do.

Oh and our free health care costs us every mother trucking time we buy something.

It's called the GST. You pay it you little bastards. Every time in your life. I want you to feel this pain liberals.

PAY IT. for your free health care. PAY IT.

Again, this is false. The GST is a federal tax which had nothing to do with health care. Health care is funded by the provinces.

This tax came about because of the North American Free Trade Agreement and replaced the manufacturing tax, this allowing Canadian manufacturers to sell goods to Americans at a lower cost.

Please don't spread misinformation.

 

[tinydancer]

Dragon Lady. Wanna dance on our health care system?

Hey just for fun why don't you tell everyone who you fired because tey fucked up so bad and that Obama hired to run his healthcare website?

Why don't you tell the Americans who they outsourced to Montreal bitch and has completely fucked up their system girl?

Oh and has cost them the original bid?

 

[Dragonlady]

Try again but try to comprehend the article first..

I am a Canadian who is VERY familiar with the case and very familiar with this ruling. I don't need to read some bullshit US propaganda piece to know what happened.

Not to mention, this case was all over the news reports here this past week.

There are no death panels in Canada. Not now, not ever. That is a lie.

 

[tinydancer]

Oh we have death panels. Oh that we do.

Oh and our free health care costs us every mother trucking time we buy something.

It's called the GST. You pay it you little bastards. Every time in your life. I want you to feel this pain liberals.

PAY IT. for your free health care. PAY IT.

Again, this is false. The GST is a federal tax which had nothing to do with health care. Health care is funded by the provinces.

This tax came about because of the North American Free Trade Agreement and replaced the manufacturing tax, this allowing Canadian manufacturers to sell goods to Americans at a lower cost.

Please don't spread misinformation.

*cough* what company did the American government hire?

What company did the Ontario government fire?

Explain it to the American public dragon lady. Over half a billion dragon lady.

And before I take you out on the GST on how money is transferred in the government I don't want to publicaly shame you again.

 

[tinydancer]

Try again but try to comprehend the article first..

I am a Canadian who is VERY familiar with the case and very familiar with this ruling. I don't need to read some bullshit US propaganda piece to know what happened.

Not to mention, this case was all over the news reports here this past week.

There are no death panels in Canada. Not now, not ever. That is a lie.

The old jew out here. Fuck you. He was allowed to live till he died.

We're talking Winnipeg here. Don't fuck with me.

 

[Dragonlady]

*cough* what company did the American government hire?

What company did the Ontario government fire?

Explain it to the American public dragon lady. Over half a billion dragon lady.

And before I take you out on the GST on how money is transferred in the government I don't want to publicaly shame you again.

What bearing does the ACA website have on this court case? Answer: None. So why are you even bringing it up in this thread?

The latest version of the Canada Health Act was passed in 1985, although publically funded health care in Canada originated in the 1960's when Lester Pearson was prime minister.

The GST was introduced in Canada on January 1, 1991. So please explain to me how we managed to have unfunded health care in this country for 30 years prior to the introduction of the GST.

Health care in Ontario is funded by the Employers Health Tax which is 0.98% on salaries up to $200,000. and slightly higher on salaries over this amount. In additional, employees pay $25 per month as a payroll deduction.

Federal transfer payments to the provinces and which are used, in part, to fund portions of our health care, are paid from income taxes received from the originating provinces.

Your ignorance on Canadian government knows no bounds. Last week you said Pierre Trudeau was responsible for Canadian Banking regulations which saved our banks from requiring bailouts. That would be Finance Minister Paul Martin and Prime Minister Jean Chretien.

Please check your facts before making comments on things you clearly know little to nothing about.

 

[auditor0007]

After sticking all our youth with our debt and Dem-O-Care..reasonably, you gotta wonder.

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Last week Canada’s Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto family’s decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canada’s most populous province, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the family’s choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.

In other words: Canada has death panels.

Canada has death panels, and that?s a good thing.

The whole problem with this argument is that it has nothing to do with killing anyone. The patient is going to die; it's only a matter of when. Life support is the only thing keeping the patient alive and there is not going to be a change in the patient's condition. Eventually the patient will have to be taken off of life support and then will die. This is the type of shit we do in the US that costs billions of dollars per year. We extend people's lives for no reason at all. These are people who are not going to get better. They are only alive because a machine keeps them that way, and it costs everyone.

But, it's that big bad boogeyman, the DEATH PANEL that we must all fear.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Try again but try to comprehend the article first..

I am a Canadian who is VERY familiar with the case and very familiar with this ruling. I don't need to read some bullshit US propaganda piece to know what happened.

Not to mention, this case was all over the news reports here this past week.

There are no death panels in Canada. Not now, not ever. That is a lie.

I'm reminded of my Aunt Gladys who needed treatments for ovarian cancer. The Canadian health care system refused those treatments and she died. She would have lived several more years according to her and her doctors but it wasn't prudent, financially.

You don't have to call it "Death Panels" but the results are still the same..

btw.. I was born in London, Ontario and my beloved Aunt Gladys is buried there.

 

[Peterf]

In certain religions you can't pull the plug. You just can't do it. It's wrong.

Certain religions - well, all religions - are wrong and should have no say in making or applying law.

So according to you government has the right to trample on a citizens (religious freedoms) Constitutional Rights and decide on life or death ie.. "Life & Death Panels"..

According to me relatives have no right, constitutional or other, to have taxpayers subsidise their religious beliefs by paying to keep someone who is brain dead 'alive' indefinitely.

 

[Peterf]

After sticking all our youth with our debt and Dem-O-Care..reasonably, you gotta wonder.

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Last week Canada’s Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto family’s decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canada’s most populous province, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the family’s choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.

In other words: Canada has death panels.

Canada has death panels, and that?s a good thing.

The whole problem with this argument is that it has nothing to do with killing anyone. The patient is going to die; it's only a matter of when. Life support is the only thing keeping the patient alive and there is not going to be a change in the patient's condition. Eventually the patient will have to be taken off of life support and then will die. This is the type of shit we do in the US that costs billions of dollars per year. We extend people's lives for no reason at all. These are people who are not going to get better. They are only alive because a machine keeps them that way, and it costs everyone.

But, it's that big bad boogeyman, the DEATH PANEL that we must all fear.

In Sweden I will not be kept 'alive' artificially for an indefinite period. Do I therefore live in fear of some 'death panel'? Absolutely not! So your 'that we must all fear' line is just an unsupported assertion.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Certain religions - well, all religions - are wrong and should have no say in making or applying law.

So according to you government has the right to trample on a citizens (religious freedoms) Constitutional Rights and decide on life or death ie.. "Life & Death Panels"..

According to me relatives have no right, constitutional or other, to have taxpayers subsidise their religious beliefs by paying to keep someone who is brain dead 'alive' indefinitely.

soooo.. only pull the plug if their brain dead, seems humanitarian enough to me.

 

[Neotrotsky]

After sticking all our youth with our debt and Dem-O-Care..reasonably, you gotta wonder.

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Last week Canada’s Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto family’s decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canada’s most populous province, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the family’s choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.

In other words: Canada has death panels.

Canada has death panels, and that?s a good thing.

For those who actually WON'T read the article, and there will be MANY:

".......At issue in the Ontario case was the fate of Hassan Rasouli, a retired engineer who has been comatose in a Toronto hospital since he suffered complications following brain surgery three years ago. When Rasouli’s doctors determined that he had no reasonable prospect of recovery, they sought to pull the plug. His family, convinced that Rasouli was slowly recovering, took his doctors to court.

Last Friday, they won. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled 5–2 that Ontario doctors may not decide to withhold treatment from patients in Rasouli’s condition without consent from the next-in-line decision maker.

In Rasouli’s case, that is his wife. But, if she refuses consent, then her husband’s doctors can still ask for a ruling from Ontario’s Consent and Capacity Board. The Supreme Court confirmed last week that the board has the power to overrule her.""""

""""....But American critics of Canadian health care will declare that merely asking this question is unacceptable, unethical, even unthinkable—and that it proves that the Canadian system gives doctors a dangerous incentive to kill off their patients as quickly as possible. They are wrong.""

Sorry, dumbass. Apparently you don't read either.

..I read the article and you missed the point....Big Surprise

They sure did

In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canada’s most populous province,
a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the family’s choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.​

Which is why Slate is trying to spin it
to sound good. The usual "socialism is good" crap

Besides, reactionary leftists always like when people have to prostrate themselves
before the state.

Which is why, you see so many Papa Obama apologists come out to defend this,,,,

 

[Noomi]

Ever here of iron lungs? I guess all the people in those wer really dead, even if they could talk to the doctors. We should have just pulled the plugs.

They lived in a machine, I would want someone to pull the plug on me.

But see you could choose.

OK let me do this for you.

A man. A giant of a man reduced to 65 pounds. That was my father. 215 pounds of a truck driver Danny Boone wanting to live.

Never wanting to die. At what point do you say he has no right to live any more? Does anyone have the right to choose if he lives?

But I'll tell you honestly if my father had asked me to take him out I would have. These are horrible questions we face.

Blessedly God took him before I was faced with this question and this answer.

If that was my dad and he told me he wanted to live, then he would have his wish. At least, I like to think I would follow his wishes. I haven't been in such a situation, so I don't know.

 

[Neotrotsky]

I am a Canadian who is VERY familiar with the case and very familiar with this ruling. I don't need to read some bullshit US propaganda piece to know what happened.

Not to mention, this case was all over the news reports here this past week.

There are no death panels in Canada. Not now, not ever. That is a lie.

I'm reminded of my Aunt Gladys who needed treatments for ovarian cancer. The Canadian health care system refused those treatments and she died. She would have lived several more years according to her and her doctors but it wasn't prudent, financially.

You don't have to call it "Death Panels" but the results are still the same..

btw.. I was born in London, Ontario and my beloved Aunt Gladys is buried there.

Sorry about your Aunt


Maybe the state should tell people when to have abortions?



Sad thing, there are reactionary leftists who would think this is a good thing
or at least make excuses for it.

 

[Geaux4it]

After sticking all our youth with our debt and Dem-O-Care..reasonably, you gotta wonder.

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Last week Canada’s Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto family’s decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, Canada’s most populous province, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the family’s choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.

In other words: Canada has death panels.

Canada has death panels, and that?s a good thing.

He is practically dead. He cannot be saved. Keeping him alive drains the healthcare system - the taxpayers. If they want to keep him alive, pay for his treatment. If not, pull the plug.

Talking about a drain on the tax payer, Then why don't we pull the plug on welfare? They are essentially dead until the end of the month. This man has every right to live as those scum I just mentioned

-Geaux

 

[Noomi]

The man has the 'right' to live if he can choose to live - he can't. He's a vegetable.

 

[Neotrotsky]

The man has the 'right' to live if he can choose to live - he can't. He's a vegetable.

Maybe the state should tell people when to have abortions?

 

[Noomi]

The man has the 'right' to live if he can choose to live - he can't. He's a vegetable.

Maybe the state should tell people when to have abortions?

If its a child involved, the State should certainly be able to force an abortion, but only if the life of the child is at risk, or if the child wants the abortion.

 

[Geaux4it]

The man has the 'right' to live if he can choose to live - he can't. He's a vegetable.

Then it is up to his wife to decide as they have agreed.

Not the people, doctors, or the government

-Geaux