D-Day Myth Feeds Trump's Militarism

[georgephillip]

How does taking incredible casualties equate to winning a freaking war? Stalin and Hitler were two of a kind and neither intended to live up to the pact they signed. Stalin turned to his other friend, FDR, when he needed supplies to fight the Nazis and FDR was glad to oblige his new friend "uncle Joe". The Russians had little in the way of air power and no navy forces to speak of. They had troops used for cannon fodder and a a cavalry on horseback. The Russians didn't break the back of the Germans at Stalingrad, the winter did. Through the years Stalin probably killed more of his own people than the Nazis did. Ike was set to take Berlin in the closing days of the war and for some reason he was told to hold up and let the Russian hoard take the city. How did that work out?

Throughout most of WWII, the US and British faced a combined 10 Nazi divisions; the Soviets confronted around 200.

The Germans lost about 1 million men of the Western front.

They lost 6 million of the Eastern front.

That's why Churchill said the Red Army tore the guts out of the German war machine

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"However, that’s not what Americans learn. But the reality is that the Soviets defeated the Nazis with aid from the Americans and the British and the Canadians and others.

"It was a vast coalition.

"But the ones who did most of the fighting and most of the dying were the Soviets.

"The Americans lost about little more than 300,000 in combat and 400,000 total in World War II.

"The Soviets lost 27 million. 27 million. Even now in the public opinion surveys, Americans are asked who won the war in Europe. 11 percent said the Soviets won the war in Europe.

"The Europeans have come in a little bit better. Maybe 15 percent understand that the Soviets won the war in Europe.

"In France, in a survey taken in May of 1945, when they were asked who won the war in Europe, 57 percent said the Soviets did.

"Now it’s under 15 percent who say the Soviets did."

Had FDR lived his political skills might well have averted the Cold War. Stalin was worried about Germany and Japan quickly regaining power and looking for a rematch.

Once Roosevelt was gone, little Harry Truman was in way over his head, and we are still paying for his incompetence today.

 

[georgephillip]

<snip>
"But the ones who did most of the fighting and most of the dying were the Soviets.
<snip>

Dying is about the only thing communists are good for anyway.

Moving target practice is another.

Dying is about the only thing communists are good for anyway.

Moving target practice is another.

What's Wall Street good for?

"This is the third and final volume of a trilogy describing the role of the American corporate socialists, otherwise known as the Wall Street financial elite or the Eastern Liberal Establishment, in three significant twentieth-century historical events: the 1917 LeninTrotsky Revolution in Russia, the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States, and the 1933 seizure of power by Adolf Hitler in Germany.

"Each of these events introduced some variant of socialism into a major country — i.e., Bolshevik socialism in Russia, New Deal socialism in the United States, and National socialism in Germany.

"Contemporary academic histories, with perhaps the sole exception of Carroll Quigley's Tragedy And Hope, ignore this evidence.

"On the other hand, it is understandable that universities and research organizations, dependent on financial aid from foundations that are controlled by this same New York financial elite, would hardly want to support and to publish research on these aspects of international politics.

"The bravest of trustees is unlikely to bite the hand that feeds his organization."

https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler-3.pdf

 

[Moonglow]

plus the day and night air war against Germany which decimated the Luftwaffe

The Soviets used female pilots for night bombing.

 

[Ambivalent1]

the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.

Answer the question kid.

 

[georgephillip]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

I see you forgot to mention that the russians worked WITH hitler at the start of the war, had a non-aggression pact, and managed to pick up some territory while the germans did the REAL work.....


If hitler hadn't invaded russia the russians would have been happy to let hitler continue his aggression while they (the russians) kept absorbing smaller countries.

They were NOT heroes.

And let us not forget that AFTER the war while the EVIL AMERICANS were busy spending money helping countries to rebuild and maintain their autonomy the russians KEPT all of the territory they stole, built walls to keep people in and slaughtered thousands.......

the russians were NOT "the good guys".....

I see you forgot to mention that the russians worked WITH hitler at the start of the war, had a non-aggression pact, and managed to pick up some territory while the germans did the REAL work....

After repeatedly asking the west to stop Hitler, the Soviets signed the Hitler-Stalin pact in 1939. The Soviets proved their commitment to stopping fascism between 1936 to 1939 in Spain.

What did the US government contribute to that fight?

Spanish Civil War - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

I see you forgot to mention that the russians worked WITH hitler at the start of the war, had a non-aggression pact, and managed to pick up some territory while the germans did the REAL work.....


If hitler hadn't invaded russia the russians would have been happy to let hitler continue his aggression while they (the russians) kept absorbing smaller countries.

They were NOT heroes.

And let us not forget that AFTER the war while the EVIL AMERICANS were busy spending money helping countries to rebuild and maintain their autonomy the russians KEPT all of the territory they stole, built walls to keep people in and slaughtered thousands.......

the russians were NOT "the good guys".....

And let us not forget that AFTER the war while the EVIL AMERICANS were busy spending money helping countries to rebuild and maintain their autonomy the russians KEPT all of the territory they stole, built walls to keep people in and slaughtered thousands.......

How many millions did the heroic "good guys" butcher in Korea and Vietnam?

Vietnam War: 'Kill anything that moves'

 

[georgephillip]

the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah

Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah

Where did you learn History, Trump U?

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"What we have to remember is that throughout most of World War II, the U.S. and the British faced 10 German divisions combined.

"The Soviets were facing more than 200 German divisions.

"The Germans lost approximately 1 million men on the Western front.

"They lost 6 million on the Eastern front.

"There is reason why Churchill said the Red Army tore the guts out of the German war machine.

"However, that’s not what Americans learn.

"But the reality is that the Soviets defeated the Nazis with aid from the Americans and the British and the Canadians and others. It was a vast coalition.

"But the ones who did most of the fighting and most of the dying were the Soviets.

"The Americans lost about little more than 300,000 in combat and 400,000 total in World War II.

"The Soviets lost 27 million. 27 million."

and?? so?

and?? so?

Ideology is a poor substitute for certainty.

Roosevelt’s Warm Alliance and the Cold War - UConn Today

"Roosevelt was laying the groundwork to continue the Big Three alliance after the war, but his death in April 1945 from a brain aneurysm changed things in a day..."

"Harry Truman, who had been vice president for only three months and had been kept in the dark about Roosevelt’s plans, soon took a hard line against the Soviet Union.

"Churchill lost when the Labour Party won parliamentary elections in Great Britain in July 1945.

"Labour leaders had little sophistication in foreign affairs, and Truman ('the buck stops here') also liked simplicity and unambiguous solutions, Costigliola says.

"That year saw dramatic changes – Roosevelt died, the war ended, Churchill was defeated, the U.S. dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, and Japan surrendered.

"In a time of drastic, turbulent change...'you saw people in both Russia and the West grasping at ideology as a means toward certainty.'"

 

[daveman]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

In another thread, I talked about people sucking the ass of the Soviet Union's cold and rotted corpse.

And here comes George Phillip to take a puff on it.

 

[georgephillip]

the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.

Answer the question kid.

I suspect a very large percentage of Americans today do NOT know that Canadians and British were targeting Gold, Juno, and Sword; why would they?
Normandy landings - Wikipedia

 

[Third Party]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

Did not read text, but nice picture!

 

[georgephillip]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

In another thread, I talked about people sucking the ass of the Soviet Union's cold and rotted corpse.

And here comes George Phillip to take a puff on it.

n another thread, I talked about people sucking the ass of the Soviet Union's cold and rotted corpse.

And here comes George Phillip to take a puff on it.

Your ignorance is truly Trumpian:

Roosevelt’s Warm Alliance and the Cold War - UConn Today

"While Roosevelt had planned to aid Russia after the war, and polls showed that stance was supported by 80 per cent of Americans, Truman took the State Department’s advice and decided to rebuild Germany instead. Stalin turned to the Eastern European countries that Russia controlled, dismantling their factories and using the equipment to rebuild a shattered Russia...."

"While Roosevelt had planned to tell Russia that the U.S. had made an atomic bomb, and top American generals even favored having Russian observers at the Los Alamos bomb test, Truman determined to hold onto the 'secret.'

"The Russians already knew much of the physics involved, and their spies were stealing many of the engineering secrets.

"Truman, however, clung to his belief in American exceptionalism – that only 'Yankee ingenuity' could produce a bomb...."

"He was wrong.

"The Cold War and the atomic arms race soon eliminated any chance that history might have gone in a different direction."

 

[night_son]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

Historical revisionism that does nothing more than afford you additional (false) reason(s) to hate America. Pathetic. So what you're confessing to us here is you've a patriotic love of the Stalin era Soviet Union? I suppose kooks must come in all shapes and sizes . . .

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.

Answer the question kid.

I suspect a very large percentage of Americans today do NOT know that Canadians and British were targeting Gold, Juno, and Sword; why would they?
Normandy landings - Wikipedia

I'm using this to reply to all of your posts. You talk about myth..and you are busy trying to sell us on yours.
The obvious slant and anti-American propaganda is ridiculous..as well as your incorrect and revisionist view of the events of the last 70 years.
A few reminders..Stalin had FDR mesmerized. It was pitiful to watch. As FDR gushed about Papa Stalin..very reminiscent of Trump and Putin, BTW...the USSR was infiltrating thousands of spies into the US. When Donovan and Hoover tried to warn FDR..he discounted everything they had to say--so they mounted their own campaign to root out as many spies as they could. Once Truman took office, it was on---thus the Cold War.

Trying to equate Vietnam and Korea with the events of WWII is just plain pitiful--I'm amazed you would even try it--although it does reveal your anti-American agenda.

I wold point out the the 'butchering' in Vietnam went both ways..and while one can argue the rights and the wrongs..in the field it was war..and war is a shitty business..period.

You bring up the Spanish civil war? Really? You ask what America contributed to it? Well, Americans fought and died on both sides in that war...but what business of it was America's? Rightfully so, we stayed out of it..even though many civilians went to Spain..most all of them on the communist side. They lost..and they died. BTW..Stalin betrayed those people as well.

As I forensically study your posts it becomes clear that you are a fool..who has swallowed the Progressive false narrative hook, line and sinker.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

The western continental leftist are even more ignorant and retarded than our own .Whats sad our leftist look up to them

 

[Ambivalent1]

the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.

Answer the question kid.

I suspect a very large percentage of Americans today do NOT know that Canadians and British were targeting Gold, Juno, and Sword; why would they?
Normandy landings - Wikipedia

Meaning you're making shit up. You called out for lying, I'll do it every time.

 

[georgephillip]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

Historical revisionism that does nothing more than afford you additional (false) reason(s) to hate America. Pathetic. So what you're confessing to us here is you've a patriotic love of the Stalin era Soviet Union? I suppose kooks must come in all shapes and sizes . . .

Historical revisionism that does nothing more than afford you additional (false) reason(s) to hate America. Pathetic. So what you're confessing to us here is you've a patriotic love of the Stalin era Soviet Union? I suppose kooks must come in all shapes and sizes .

Since history is written by the winners, and all governments lie, some history should be revised (before it repeats or rhymes) If you sincerely believe the US is NOT the greatest purveyor of violence in the world since the end of WWII, I can only pity your blind patriotism.

 

[daveman]

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

In another thread, I talked about people sucking the ass of the Soviet Union's cold and rotted corpse.

And here comes George Phillip to take a puff on it.

n another thread, I talked about people sucking the ass of the Soviet Union's cold and rotted corpse.

And here comes George Phillip to take a puff on it.

Your ignorance is truly Trumpian:

Roosevelt’s Warm Alliance and the Cold War - UConn Today

"While Roosevelt had planned to aid Russia after the war, and polls showed that stance was supported by 80 per cent of Americans, Truman took the State Department’s advice and decided to rebuild Germany instead. Stalin turned to the Eastern European countries that Russia controlled, dismantling their factories and using the equipment to rebuild a shattered Russia...."

"While Roosevelt had planned to tell Russia that the U.S. had made an atomic bomb, and top American generals even favored having Russian observers at the Los Alamos bomb test, Truman determined to hold onto the 'secret.'

"The Russians already knew much of the physics involved, and their spies were stealing many of the engineering secrets.

"Truman, however, clung to his belief in American exceptionalism – that only 'Yankee ingenuity' could produce a bomb...."

"He was wrong.

"The Cold War and the atomic arms race soon eliminated any chance that history might have gone in a different direction."

Yes, I know your heart's broken that your Soviet masters lost the Cold War.

Tough shit, Commie.

 

[georgephillip]

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.

Answer the question kid.

I suspect a very large percentage of Americans today do NOT know that Canadians and British were targeting Gold, Juno, and Sword; why would they?
Normandy landings - Wikipedia

I'm using this to reply to all of your posts. You talk about myth..and you are busy trying to sell us on yours.
The obvious slant and anti-American propaganda is ridiculous..as well as your incorrect and revisionist view of the events of the last 70 years.
A few reminders..Stalin had FDR mesmerized. It was pitiful to watch. As FDR gushed about Papa Stalin..very reminiscent of Trump and Putin, BTW...the USSR was infiltrating thousands of spies into the US. When Donovan and Hoover tried to warn FDR..he discounted everything they had to say--so they mounted their own campaign to root out as many spies as they could. Once Truman took office, it was on---thus the Cold War.

Trying to equate Vietnam and Korea with the events of WWII is just plain pitiful--I'm amazed you would even try it--although it does reveal your anti-American agenda.

I wold point out the the 'butchering' in Vietnam went both ways..and while one can argue the rights and the wrongs..in the field it was war..and war is a shitty business..period.

You bring up the Spanish civil war? Really? You ask what America contributed to it? Well, Americans fought and died on both sides in that war...but what business of it was America's? Rightfully so, we stayed out of it..even though many civilians went to Spain..most all of them on the communist side. They lost..and they died. BTW..Stalin betrayed those people as well.

As I forensically study your posts it becomes clear that you are a fool..who has swallowed the Progression false narrative hook, line and sinker.

A few reminders..Stalin had FDR mesmerized. It was pitiful to watch. As FDR gushed about Papa Stalin..very reminiscent of Trump and Putin, BTW...the USSR was infiltrating thousands of spies into the US. When Donovan and Hoover tried to warn FDR..he discounted everything they had to say--so they mounted their own campaign to root out as many spies as they could. Once Truman took office, it was on---thus the Cold War.

I wonder if we agree the last thing Stalin needed in 1945 was a "Cold War" with a continental superpower whose homeland's infrastructure was not only untouched by the carnage of WWII, but also producing at a level only a command (war time) economy was capable of?

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/yalta-conference-foreshadows-the-cold-war

"As the Cold War became a reality in the years that followed the Yalta Conference, many critics of Roosevelt’s foreign policy accused him of 'selling out' at the meeting and naively letting Stalin have his way.

"It seems doubtful, however, that Roosevelt had much choice.

"He was able to secure Russian participation in the war against Japan (Russia declared war on Japan on August 8, 1945), established the basic principles of the United Nations, and did as much as possible to settle the Poland issue.

"With World War II still raging, his primary interest was in maintaining the Grand Alliance.

"He believed that troublesome political issues could be postponed and solved after the war.

"Unfortunately, Roosevelt never got that chance—almost exactly two months after the end of the conference, Roosevelt suffered a stroke and died."

 

[georgephillip]

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.

Answer the question kid.

I suspect a very large percentage of Americans today do NOT know that Canadians and British were targeting Gold, Juno, and Sword; why would they?
Normandy landings - Wikipedia

I'm using this to reply to all of your posts. You talk about myth..and you are busy trying to sell us on yours.
The obvious slant and anti-American propaganda is ridiculous..as well as your incorrect and revisionist view of the events of the last 70 years.
A few reminders..Stalin had FDR mesmerized. It was pitiful to watch. As FDR gushed about Papa Stalin..very reminiscent of Trump and Putin, BTW...the USSR was infiltrating thousands of spies into the US. When Donovan and Hoover tried to warn FDR..he discounted everything they had to say--so they mounted their own campaign to root out as many spies as they could. Once Truman took office, it was on---thus the Cold War.

Trying to equate Vietnam and Korea with the events of WWII is just plain pitiful--I'm amazed you would even try it--although it does reveal your anti-American agenda.

I wold point out the the 'butchering' in Vietnam went both ways..and while one can argue the rights and the wrongs..in the field it was war..and war is a shitty business..period.

You bring up the Spanish civil war? Really? You ask what America contributed to it? Well, Americans fought and died on both sides in that war...but what business of it was America's? Rightfully so, we stayed out of it..even though many civilians went to Spain..most all of them on the communist side. They lost..and they died. BTW..Stalin betrayed those people as well.

As I forensically study your posts it becomes clear that you are a fool..who has swallowed the Progression false narrative hook, line and sinker.

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

I see you forgot to mention that the russians worked WITH hitler at the start of the war, had a non-aggression pact, and managed to pick up some territory while the germans did the REAL work.....


If hitler hadn't invaded russia the russians would have been happy to let hitler continue his aggression while they (the russians) kept absorbing smaller countries.

They were NOT heroes.

And let us not forget that AFTER the war while the EVIL AMERICANS were busy spending money helping countries to rebuild and maintain their autonomy the russians KEPT all of the territory they stole, built walls to keep people in and slaughtered thousands.......

the russians were NOT "the good guys".....

Trying to equate Vietnam and Korea with the events of WWII is just plain pitiful--I'm amazed you would even try it--although it does reveal your anti-American agenda

My references to Vietnam and Korea were in response to a claim the Russians slaughtered thousands in the wake of WWII. Obviously, they did, but not on the opposite side of the planet from their homeland.

You may be uncomfortable with reality, but that doesn't change the number of innocent human beings who've been maimed, murdered, and displaced by the US military over the past 70 years.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?

Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.

Answer the question kid.

I suspect a very large percentage of Americans today do NOT know that Canadians and British were targeting Gold, Juno, and Sword; why would they?
Normandy landings - Wikipedia

I'm using this to reply to all of your posts. You talk about myth..and you are busy trying to sell us on yours.
The obvious slant and anti-American propaganda is ridiculous..as well as your incorrect and revisionist view of the events of the last 70 years.
A few reminders..Stalin had FDR mesmerized. It was pitiful to watch. As FDR gushed about Papa Stalin..very reminiscent of Trump and Putin, BTW...the USSR was infiltrating thousands of spies into the US. When Donovan and Hoover tried to warn FDR..he discounted everything they had to say--so they mounted their own campaign to root out as many spies as they could. Once Truman took office, it was on---thus the Cold War.

Trying to equate Vietnam and Korea with the events of WWII is just plain pitiful--I'm amazed you would even try it--although it does reveal your anti-American agenda.

I wold point out the the 'butchering' in Vietnam went both ways..and while one can argue the rights and the wrongs..in the field it was war..and war is a shitty business..period.

You bring up the Spanish civil war? Really? You ask what America contributed to it? Well, Americans fought and died on both sides in that war...but what business of it was America's? Rightfully so, we stayed out of it..even though many civilians went to Spain..most all of them on the communist side. They lost..and they died. BTW..Stalin betrayed those people as well.

As I forensically study your posts it becomes clear that you are a fool..who has swallowed the Progression false narrative hook, line and sinker.

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.

"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

I see you forgot to mention that the russians worked WITH hitler at the start of the war, had a non-aggression pact, and managed to pick up some territory while the germans did the REAL work.....


If hitler hadn't invaded russia the russians would have been happy to let hitler continue his aggression while they (the russians) kept absorbing smaller countries.

They were NOT heroes.

And let us not forget that AFTER the war while the EVIL AMERICANS were busy spending money helping countries to rebuild and maintain their autonomy the russians KEPT all of the territory they stole, built walls to keep people in and slaughtered thousands.......

the russians were NOT "the good guys".....

Trying to equate Vietnam and Korea with the events of WWII is just plain pitiful--I'm amazed you would even try it--although it does reveal your anti-American agenda

My references to Vietnam and Korea were in response to a claim the Russians slaughtered thousands in the wake of WWII. Obviously, they did, but not on the opposite side of the planet from their homeland.

You may be uncomfortable with reality, but that doesn't change the number of innocent human beings who've been maimed, murdered, and displaced by the US military over the past 70 years.

I'm sure that whatever number you come up with would still pale in comparison to the 10's of millions of innocent people that Russia killed. Either through warfare..or neglect...or deliberate genocide.

You also seem, as those like you always do, to completely ignore the good that America has done through the years, the millions fed..freed from tyranny...given homes and medical care. To put in the context of WWII and its aftermath....let us consider the Berlin airlift..where we risked open warfare with the Soviets..to feed our former enemies. How about that?

You lack balance, accuracy and contextual awareness. You are presenting propaganda....and old and tired propaganda, at that...

BTW..to snip a piece of a post and present out of context so you can make a point is intellectually dishonest. Just sayin'...