Culture v. Reality

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    "Culture in America is an enchanted place where the conservative facts of life are magically transformed into liberal fantasies. In movies, TV shows, novels, even comedy routines, our intellectuals, entertainers, and other fools are busily reshaping reality into works of art through their piercing insights into what will get them good reviews and awards, and through their rich and varied experience of the café in the Chateau Marmont in Los Angeles.

    To illustrate, I’ll give you some examples. See if you can spot the difference between reality and American culture. In reality, President John F. Kennedy was a fierce Cold Warrior who twice tripled America’s military presence in the Vietnam War to try to stop the spread of Communism and risked nuclear disaster by standing up to the Soviet Union in Cuba. He was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, an America-hating leftist who had once defected to the USSR.

    Now, the culture: in Oliver Stone’s film JFK—nominated for Best Picture Oscar in 1991—Kennedy is a peaceful lefty contemplating a withdrawal from Vietnam. He’s assassinated by a vast right-wing cabal that includes every single person in America except for Oliver Stone. Reality, culture. Can you spot the difference?

    Here’s another: in reality, Terri Schiavo was a severely brain-damaged woman who was judicially starved to death in 2005 at the request of her husband, while evangelical Christian right-to-life groups unsuccessfully petitioned to keep her alive. In the culture, a 2005 episode of Law and Order entitled “Age of Innocence” depicted a severely brain-damaged woman whose husband tried to euthanize her—until he was murdered at the instigation of an evangelical Christian right-to-lifer. In reality, evangelical Christians try to keep people alive. In the culture, they murder people. That’s a subtle one, I know—but can you spot the difference?

    In reality, it’s civilization, democracy, capitalism, and technology that give us greater health, equality, and happiness.

    But in our culture, the U.S. military is always evil, housewives are always desperate, corporations are always corrupt, and poverty is always the fault of wealthy people’s greed. Can you spot the difference between those assumptions and reality?
    If you can’t, you’re probably a liberal. And a knucklehead."
    Culture v. Reality by Andrew Klavan, City Journal 5 February 2010
     
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    I can agree with the points you make in your post.
    Unfortunately, it seems like our public schools are teaching our kids the story according to culture, not according to history.
     
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    Actually, as far as the post, none of my words are included. I thought that Klavan wrote in a pretty funny way.

    Now, as far as our so called education system, your point: so true, so true.

    Probably the most disastrous effect of Progressivism.

    One of the problems, as pointed out by Chester Finn, in "Troublemker:"


    a. The ‘middle school movement’ was a set back for the pursuit of educational excellence, which supposed that grades five though eight should focus on life-adjustment, and non-academic and anti-intellectual agendas, and development, self-confidence, and socialization. Rather, the hormone-and-angst adolescents should not be expected to absorb much in the way of formal skills and knowledge.

    b. Just when the middle grades were needed to supply a strong foundation for high school, the middle school became the place “where academic achievement goes to die.” Cheri Pierson Yecke, “Mayhem in the Middle: How Middle Schools Have Failed America, and How to Make Them Work,” 2005.
     
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    In an attempt to point out how "culture" supposedly revises reality to suit its particular agenda, you... revised reality in order to suit your agenda. Congratulations!
     
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    "In reality, it’s civilization, democracy, capitalism, and technology that give us greater health, equality, and happiness."



    if it weren't for progressive liberals;


    blacks would still be descriminated against, and even lynched, by conservative christian culturalists

    women would still be home, barefoot and pregnant

    gays would still be in the closet
    or in jail

    the capitalist leaders would still take 98% of the wealth

    workers would still be living in poverty (and owing the company store)

    and advanced technology and health care would be for the benefit SOLEY of the rich and the military

    liberal progressives helped raise the pay scales (and health benefits) of MOST Americans to a decent and honorable level

    and, btw, the authors use of the words "ALWAYS" is a bit extreme.

    I've seen movies.

    many of them portray America and the American military as being good...

    independence day, for example.


    have you seen a psychiatrist yet?

    you should get help for your "I HATE HATE HATE liberals" insanity

    cons are NOT as good as you claim

    and liberals are NOT as evil as you think
     
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    would you like more liberal cultural reality?


    can you handle it?


    without grabbing your gun, running off to some place you THINK is "too liberal" and killing everyone?

    well

    here goes

    presenting todays progressive liberal America!;

    gays are out and about!

    everywhere!

    and most people are fine with that, even many cons (how liberal of them)

    we see them on tv (they even have their own shows), they work with us, live in our neighborhoods

    they are our friends
    our children

    and according to latest polls most Americans would accept gay spousal benefits in lieu of marriage

    (that's pretty progressive and liberal)

    women are in the armed forces

    they are even in military institutes

    and nobody cares!

    15 years ago when shannon faulkner was the 1st female to attend the citadel people like you made her life a living hell...

    today...nobody cares

    blacks and whites marry!
    and nobody bats an eye!

    30 years ago you cons would have had a hissy fit...

    but today even you cons don't really care

    - blacks and gays and women are in prominent positions in the government, in the military, in business

    - everyone has sex outside of marriage (even you, no doubt, though you probably have to pay someone)

    - millions of men and women are living together without bothering to marry!

    - more and more people are waiting longer and longer before getting married (if they ever do marry)

    - and atheism is on the rise with up to 15% of the population admitting that they are not believers

    welcome to liberal and progressive America
     
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    Did you actually have a point?
     
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    Obviously you are unfamiliar with the relationship between 'progressive liberals' and philosophy from which they descend.

    That would be fascism.

    Progressives began with the concept that the collective, the state, is of greater value than the individual, and this is what differentiates 'progressive liberalism' from classical liberalism.

    If fact, I'll bet that you are ignorant of the fact that the late 19th century- early 20th century Progressives, most prominently personified by President Woodrow Wilson, were so reviled by the American public, that they changed their name to 'Liberal.'

    Did you know that under the Progressives, American was indeed a Fascist nation:

    1. Had the world’s first modern propaganda ministry
    2. Political prisoners by the thousands were harassed, beaten, spied upon and thrown in jail for simply expressing private opinions.
    3. The national leader accused foreigners and immigrants of injecting treasonous ‘poison’ into the American bloodstream
    4. Newspapers and magazines were closed for criticizing the government
    5. Almost 100,000 government propaganda agents were sent out to whip up support for the regime and the war
    6. College professors imposed loyalty oaths on their colleagues
    7. Nearly a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate ‘slackers’ and dissenters
    8. Leading artists and writers dedicated their work to proselytizing for the government.
    http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9


    Here, for your edification, John Dewey:

    “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.” John Dewey and the philosophical refounding of America | National Review | Find Articles at BNET

    “DEWEY'S influential 1935 tract, Liberalism and Social Action, should be read in light of this conclusion. In this essay, Dewey purportedly recounts the "history of liberalism." "Liberalism," he suggests, is a social theory defined by a commitment to certain "enduring," fundamental principles, such as liberty and individualism. After defining these principles in the progressives' terms--…” John Dewey and the philosophical refounding of America | National Review | Find Articles at BNET


    If you would like to continue this discussion, you had best be prepared for thrills, spills and readin' wills.
     
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    I must admit, I like your tenacity.

    It is the silliness of your position that detracts.

    So, to be clear, are you now defending the modern liberal vs. the conservative positions?

    Have we left behind your jaundiced view of Progressivism?

    Or, would you like me to continue to educate you on the provenance of your vaunted idea of 'progressive-liberalism'?

    Pick your poison.
     
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    I kept it pretty simple for you. Which word was confusing for you?
     

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