County makes English its official language

[konradv]

If English isnt official how is Spanish?

Never said it wasn't. It's just not "the" official language.

official American language,

Explain?

Used in government and spoken by most of the native born American citizens of the area.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So what's racist about stating that all official county documents and any business it conducts should be written in English?

It isn’t because the ordinance is symbolic only; forms and other day-to-day documents will still be provided in other languages.

Big deal.......it makes the wing nuts happy

They can now think that English is the only language that can be spoken in their county. In reality, some obscure documents will only be printed in English....just like they were before.

Correct.

Were any of these in a language other than English? Doesn't say anything about Election material.

Everything’s available in most other languages, including election material and applications for services.

Anything more restrictive would violate the First Amendment:

The United States Supreme Court has observed that "[c]omplete speech bans, unlike content-neutral restrictions on time, place or manner of expression, are particularly dangerous because they all but foreclose alternative means of disseminating certain information." 44 Liquormart, Inc. v. Rhode Island, 517 U.S. 484, 506, 116 S.Ct. 1495, 1507, 134 L.Ed.2d 711 (1996) (internal citation omitted); see also City of Ladue v. Gilleo, 512 U.S. 43, 55, 114 S.Ct. 2038, 2045, 129 L.Ed.2d 36 (1994) ("Our prior decisions have voiced particular concern with laws that foreclose an entire medium of expression.").

RUIZ V. HULL

 

[L.K.Eder]

So what's racist about stating that all official county documents and any business it conducts should be written in English?

It isn’t because the ordinance is symbolic only; forms and other day-to-day documents will still be provided in other languages.

Big deal.......it makes the wing nuts happy

They can now think that English is the only language that can be spoken in their county. In reality, some obscure documents will only be printed in English....just like they were before.

Correct.

Were any of these in a language other than English? Doesn't say anything about Election material.

Everything’s available in most other languages, including election material and applications for services.

Anything more restrictive would violate the First Amendment:

The United States Supreme Court has observed that "[c]omplete speech bans, unlike content-neutral restrictions on time, place or manner of expression, are particularly dangerous because they all but foreclose alternative means of disseminating certain information." 44 Liquormart, Inc. v. Rhode Island, 517 U.S. 484, 506, 116 S.Ct. 1495, 1507, 134 L.Ed.2d 711 (1996) (internal citation omitted); see also City of Ladue v. Gilleo, 512 U.S. 43, 55, 114 S.Ct. 2038, 2045, 129 L.Ed.2d 36 (1994) ("Our prior decisions have voiced particular concern with laws that foreclose an entire medium of expression.").

RUIZ V. HULL

please learn how to quote the posters you are replying to.

i can tell you how. it is easier than copying the posts and putting those in quote boxes.

 

[kaz]

The law does what it intends to do........let brown skin people know they are not welcome in Frederick County

So you think that only "brown skin" people don't speak English? Wow, you sir are a racist.

 

[kaz]

Big deal.......it makes the wing nuts happy

They can now think that English is the only language that can be spoken in their county. In reality, some obscure documents will only be printed in English....just like they were before

Funny, you keep using the term "straw man" without knowing what it means. This is a perfect example of a straw man fallacy. You might want to book mark it for future reference...

Do tell?

Explain how it is a straw man.......it should be interesting

I bolded it for you, half wit. No one said that...but you...

Seriously, google "straw man fallacy definition" and read what you wrote. If you have half a brain, you will see it. I am thinking you don't have half a brain though, prove me wrong...

 

[rightwinger]

The law does what it intends to do........let brown skin people know they are not welcome in Frederick County

So you think that only "brown skin" people don't speak English? Wow, you sir are a racist.

Who's zooming who?

We know which residents those laws are targeted for

 

[kaz]

The law does what it intends to do........let brown skin people know they are not welcome in Frederick County

So you think that only "brown skin" people don't speak English? Wow, you sir are a racist.

Who's zooming who?

We know which residents those laws are targeted for

Can you show me where the law says white people are allowed to not speak English?

So you're not a racist because you think white people all speak English? Have you ever heard of France or Sweden?

 

[rightwinger]

Funny, you keep using the term "straw man" without knowing what it means. This is a perfect example of a straw man fallacy. You might want to book mark it for future reference...

Do tell?

Explain how it is a straw man.......it should be interesting

I bolded it for you, half wit. No one said that...but you...

Seriously, google "straw man fallacy definition" and read what you wrote. If you have half a brain, you will see it. I am thinking you don't have half a brain though, prove me wrong...

That is far from a straw man my friend.

Those English as an official language laws are written for one reason. That is to pander to that part of the community who whine about having to press 1 for English and bitch because the woman in the checkout line is yelling at her kids in Spanish

 

[kaz]

Those English as an official language laws are written for one reason. That is to pander to that part of the community who whine about having to press 1 for English and bitch because the woman in the checkout line is yelling at her kids in Spanish

So you're saying it wasn't a straw man because you actually believe the idiotic things you post? Hmm..that's a good argument actually...

 

[Unkotare]

So what's racist about stating that all official county documents and any business it conducts should be written in English?

Nothing.

- except the language should be American, not English ...

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[Unkotare]

This is what the ordinance says: “The use of a common language removes barriers of misunderstanding and helps to unify the people of Frederick County, the state and the United States, and helps to enable the full economic and civic participation of all its citizens, regardless of national origin, creed, race or other characteristics, and thus a compelling governmental interest exists in promoting, preserving and strengthening the use of the English language.”

"This is what the ordinance means: Official county documents and business will be written and conducted in English, but matters of public safety can still be conducted in other languages."

Nothing racist about this. Only ignorant people would think this is racist. The United States is suppose to be a "melting pot" in which people "assimilate".


Frederick County makes English its official language - Rosenwald, Md. - The Washington Post

Outstanding.
I am sending this to our Board of Supervisors.
Maybe we can be next.
This "Press 2 for Spanish" is bullshit.
My grandparents didn't have a "Press 2 for Polish" option.
By God, they LEARNED the language of their new country.
Why are we catering to these non-citizens?

Making English the official language would not make "Press 2 for Spanish" go away, and that does not necessarily cater to non-citizens anyway.

 

[Unkotare]

The law does what it intends to do........let brown skin people know they are not welcome in Frederick County

That was a stupid and racist thing to say.

 

[Full-Auto]

Never said it wasn't. It's just not "the" official language.

official American language,

Explain?

Used in government and spoken by most of the native born American citizens of the area.

If you eliminated the word official you would have been OK.

Just about every language on the planet is spoken here.

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

the Cherokee tried this once. it didn't catch on.

 

[rightwinger]

So you think that only "brown skin" people don't speak English? Wow, you sir are a racist.

Who's zooming who?

We know which residents those laws are targeted for

Can you show me where the law says white people are allowed to not speak English?

So you're not a racist because you think white people all speak English? Have you ever heard of France or Sweden?

Yes.......I am sure the good legislators of Frederick County are concerned about the influx of Swedes

 

[kaz]

Who's zooming who?

We know which residents those laws are targeted for

Can you show me where the law says white people are allowed to not speak English?

So you're not a racist because you think white people all speak English? Have you ever heard of France or Sweden?

Yes.......I am sure the good legislators of Frederick County are concerned about the influx of Swedes

You are the master of stupid arguments. Show either of these to be true.

They are OK with whites not speaking English

They are not OK with non-white's speaking English.

You're playing the tired liberal "Republicans are racist" card, which is so warn down you can't even read it anymore, and you're whining about Swedes.

Grow up. If you want socialism, argue how socialism works. The everyone who disagrees with you is a racist is tired, just tired.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

While other countries MANDATE that their kids be fluent in more than one language so they can compete in the world market, the US demands "English only" so their kids can understand the answer to "[American] Fries with that?"

The GObP/pub/bag Race To The Bottom is picking up speed.

 

[rightwinger]

Can you show me where the law says white people are allowed to not speak English?

So you're not a racist because you think white people all speak English? Have you ever heard of France or Sweden?

Yes.......I am sure the good legislators of Frederick County are concerned about the influx of Swedes

You are the master of stupid arguments. Show either of these to be true.

They are OK with whites not speaking English

They are not OK with non-white's speaking English.

You're playing the tired liberal "Republicans are racist" card, which is so warn down you can't even read it anymore, and you're whining about Swedes.

Grow up. If you want socialism, argue how socialism works. The everyone who disagrees with you is a racist is tired, just tired.

Nice try.......but FAIL

English as the "official language" laws are written to pander to idiots such as the poster in post #6

. Quote: Originally Posted by get_involved
This is what the ordinance says: “The use of a common language removes barriers of misunderstanding and helps to unify the people of Frederick County, the state and the United States, and helps to enable the full economic and civic participation of all its citizens, regardless of national origin, creed, race or other characteristics, and thus a compelling governmental interest exists in promoting, preserving and strengthening the use of the English language.”

"This is what the ordinance means: Official county documents and business will be written and conducted in English, but matters of public safety can still be conducted in other languages."

Nothing racist about this. Only ignorant people would think this is racist. The United States is suppose to be a "melting pot" in which people "assimilate".


Frederick County makes English its official language - Rosenwald, Md. - The Washington Post
Outstanding.
I am sending this to our Board of Supervisors.
Maybe we can be next.
This "Press 2 for Spanish" is bullshit.
My grandparents didn't have a "Press 2 for Polish" option.
By God, they LEARNED the language of their new country.
Why are we catering to these non-citizens?

It's the outrage of pushing 1 for English that get us these stupid laws

 

[Unkotare]

And that "more than one language" almost always includes English. Get it?

 

[Unkotare]

It's the outrage of pushing 1 for English that get us these stupid laws

There are legitimate arguments on both sides of this issue. You are just interested in being a useless partisan hack (again).