Corruption of Government. Who is to blame?

[Procrustes Stretched]

Corruption of Government. Who is to blame?

Is it the people?

Is it the civil servants?

Is it the elected leaders?

Is it the lobbyists?

Is it private individuals with great wealth (poor people can't buy access or influence).

Is it big business?

Is it the free market?

Who do you think corrupts government?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I say 6 out of the 7 listed, with some shouldering a majority of the blame.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Government is inherently corrupt. The free market, however, doesn't have any part of that as the free market has nothing to do with government.

 

[The Infidel]

I'll play....


Its simple. Its us.... the people. We vote these idiots in over and over again.

I think we have gotten what we deserve.

Now its time to get our act together and start voting in fiscally responsible folks who value their nation more than a buck.

I've been hearing people bitch about Washington since I was a kid... Now its time to stop bitching, and do something about it!

 

[uscitizen]

Government is inherently corrupt. The free market, however, doesn't have any part of that as the free market has nothing to do with government.

LMAO just LMAO.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Government is inherently corrupt. The free market, however, doesn't have any part of that as the free market has nothing to do with government.

So you say free market forces have no effect on government?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I'll play....


Its simple. Its us.... the people. We vote these idiots in over and over again.

I think we have gotten what we deserve.

Now its time to get our act together and start voting in fiscally responsible folks who value their nation more than a buck.

I've been hearing people bitch about Washington since I was a kid... Now its time to stop bitching, and do something about it!

So you think it's only the people or that the people shoulder most of the blame?


note: just trying to get firm statements from people.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Government is inherently corrupt. The free market, however, doesn't have any part of that as the free market has nothing to do with government.

So you say free market forces have no effect on government?

Governments intervene in markets, markets don't intervene in governments.

 

[uscitizen]

Corporations are people with rights too now.
And spending dollars is using your freedom of speech.

 

[uscitizen]

Government is inherently corrupt. The free market, however, doesn't have any part of that as the free market has nothing to do with government.

So you say free market forces have no effect on government?

Governments intervene in markets, markets don't intervene in governments.

so a stock market crash does not intervene on a government?

An oil spill in the gulf?

A fly ash spill in TN?

The price of oil?
(that one worked both ways)

 

[uscitizen]

We do need more children working in mines I suppose.

 

[Dr Grump]

lobbyists are snakes....

 

[uscitizen]

They may rise to the level of snakes in a few thousand years.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

So you say free market forces have no effect on government?

Governments intervene in markets, markets don't intervene in governments.

so a stock market crash does not intervene on a government?

An oil spill in the gulf?

A fly ash spill in TN?

The price of oil?
(that one worked both ways)

A stock market crash is the cause of the government's intervention in the market in the first place.

That the government sticks its nose where it doesn't belong, any spills or the energy market, isn't evidence that the market somehow intervenes in the government.

 

[uscitizen]

K see it your way then. Enjoy.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

K see it your way then. Enjoy.

Was my opinion supposed to change just because you made some assertions?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

lobbyists are snakes....

Why? The exercise of rights offends you? Or is the corrupting influences? Lobbying is guaranteed in the US Constitution.

 

[uscitizen]

K see it your way then. Enjoy.

Was my opinion supposed to change just because you made some assertions?

Of course not. How silly.
Expect someones opinion to change on a political message board?

btw the "free market" hires lobbyists don't they?
who pay off govt employees to benefit their corporations or industry.
Sounds kinda like the type of corruption we were discussing?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Corporations are people with rights too now.
And spending dollars is using your freedom of speech.

That is an over simplification of what the courts have ruled, but yeah.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Government is inherently corrupt. The free market, however, doesn't have any part of that as the free market has nothing to do with government.

So you say free market forces have no effect on government?

Governments intervene in markets, markets don't intervene in governments.

It's about intervention now?

I asked: "Corruption of Government. Who is to blame? Is it the free market? "Who do you think corrupts government?"

Is corruption about influence? Do people and forces not influence government and thereby corrupt government? Are you saying outside influences do not corrupt government?