Conservatives Imposing Religious Views Without That Right!

[ihopehefails]

That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.

I am amazed you were able to follow it. I just found it impossible to read.

I thought so as well....

 

[ihopehefails]

Abortion isn't a religious issue. Its a human issue.

This one sentence is all that needs to be stated.

Prohibitions on terminating a life are not just religious doctrines, they are social and societal doctrines.

Killing the unborn is murder...period. You need not be religious to abhor murder.

Someone inevitably makes the argument that as abortion is presently legal, therefore it cannot be murder...but slavery was legal once.

So feel free to make the argument that slavery was ethical and virtuous when it was legal and after I'll be happy to hear your argument on the conscientiousness and moral superiority of abortion.

To the OP, please...in the future, attempt to post more coherently...I don't speak gibberish.

Also we have the right to make laws based on religious morality. A good example is laws against murder. That is based on a christian value and it is legal becuase the first amendment refers to the creation of a church organization such as creating a state church not the creation of laws that might be aligned with some other religious idea.

 

[Annie]

That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.

Drunk post that belongs in religion?

 

[Toronado3800]

Wow. I can argue John Ashcroft being the poster child for big government against personal rights till I'm blue in the face. This Jesus and the seven wives parable association escapes me however.

 

[MajikMyst]

Oh the irony.. On the one hand you have people that are against abortion of any kind and yet also support capital punishment.. Murder is murder be it young or old..

So lets look at this in another way?? What if mom has a medical condition that requires her to have an abortion?? Say?? Like Preclampsia.. If the child isn't removed, viable or not, the mom will die and hence so will baby?? So what do you do?? One murder or two??

See that is the problem when it comes to abortion.. While over all I think it should be avoided at all cost in the form of birth control or other contraception.. The fact remains that there are times when it is required or both mother and baby will die..

As for this being a biblical issue?? Of course it is.. Only Christians see this in such a black and white issue.. Abortion is murder so it is wrong.. So is capital punishment.. Killing a criminal serves no purpose..

Another issue to consider in the case of abortion.. And if some of you would do a little research you would know this.. Banning abortion will serve no purpose.. Women will find a way to get them anyways.. Be it a wire coat hanger or a dirty doctor in a garage.. Hence the problems of the early 70's when tens of thousands of women and unborn babies were dying annually.. Roe V. Wade was a means to an end.. It wasn't an answer.. And neither is banning abortion.. But try to get a christians to look beyond their noses and see something other than 'Thou shall not kill.'

Humanity already spoke on the issue and gave us Roe V. Wade.. Christians need to accept that and move on..

And China pays for it.. (I just put that there cause I have no idea what it means..)

 

[mascale]

Civilizations worldwide do not consider abortion to be a crime. In the United States it gets regulated as a part of medical science. The Health Care debate is about funding for medical procedures and outcomes. Some procedures get taxed, in some versions of the bills pending.

Clearly, murder is a crime--religion or none. Civilizations generally isolate a murderer as a threat to social order. Aborted fetuses are regulated, but not jailed as some nature of threat to civilization. No certificates of live citizenship are issued. No funerals are conducted. No clergy are present at the disposal. Most conceptions get flushed down the toilet, in fact, in those civilizations which have them. No one comes in daily to bless the potties, the water, or even the rooms themselves.

There is nothing to prevent humans from doing these things. Humans simply do not do these things.

Jesus likely credited the audience with some form of human sensibilities. Whether the woman in the Luke 20 story was barren, had abortions, had created stillborn, had practiced birth control, and on and on: Is not addressed. In fact, some basis in theology is ascribed to all of the above.

In this thread, there are those who do selective conscientious objection to reading abilities. In the United States, selective conscientious objection is generally not allowed, especially when it comes to war. The Opening Title of The Thread is about the lack of rights available to oppose federal funding of the one medical procedure, that should likely be included.

Back to murder. If the thing is a murderer(?), then shouldn't it be aborted? If it carries some special mega-lethal capability, then with regulated care: Most would likely want to get rid of it.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred?"
(Actually, preventive warfare is murder, and should be aborted. Even now the United States military seems to regard nomadic Moslem Shepherds to be the greatest threat to World Peace that the earth has ever known, for example.)

 

[Zoom-boing]

Oh the irony.. On the one hand you have people that are against abortion of any kind and yet also support capital punishment.. Murder is murder be it young or old..

So lets look at this in another way?? What if mom has a medical condition that requires her to have an abortion?? Say?? Like Preclampsia.. If the child isn't removed, viable or not, the mom will die and hence so will baby?? So what do you do?? One murder or two??

See that is the problem when it comes to abortion.. While over all I think it should be avoided at all cost in the form of birth control or other contraception.. The fact remains that there are times when it is required or both mother and baby will die..

As for this being a biblical issue?? Of course it is.. Only Christians see this in such a black and white issue.. Abortion is murder so it is wrong.. So is capital punishment.. Killing a criminal serves no purpose..

Another issue to consider in the case of abortion.. And if some of you would do a little research you would know this.. Banning abortion will serve no purpose.. Women will find a way to get them anyways.. Be it a wire coat hanger or a dirty doctor in a garage.. Hence the problems of the early 70's when tens of thousands of women and unborn babies were dying annually.. Roe V. Wade was a means to an end.. It wasn't an answer.. And neither is banning abortion.. But try to get a christians to look beyond their noses and see something other than 'Thou shall not kill.'

Humanity already spoke on the issue and gave us Roe V. Wade.. Christians need to accept that and move on..

And China pays for it.. (I just put that there cause I have no idea what it means..)

Are you suggesting that abortion is the only way to end preeclampsia?

Overview

Preeclampsia is high blood pressure and protein in the urine that develops after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Treatment

The only way to cure preeclampsia is to deliver the baby. However, if that delivery would be very early (premature), the disease can be managed by bed rest, close monitoring, and delivery as soon as the fetus has a good chance of surviving outside the womb. Sometimes, medicines are prescribed to lower the mother's blood pressure.

The pregnant mother is usually admitted to the hospital, but some women may be allowed to stay at home with careful monitoring of their blood pressure, urine, and weight, and the baby.

Ideally, the condition is managed until the baby can be delivered after the 37th week of pregnancy.

https://health.google.com/health/ref/Preeclampsia


Abortion is murder of the innocent. Are you suggesting that is also the case for capital punishment?

 

[saveliberty]

That has to be the dumbest fucking post I have ever seen.

Drunk post that belongs in religion?

A lame post even by drunk stanadards?

 

[DiamondDave]

Oh the irony.. On the one hand you have people that are against abortion of any kind and yet also support capital punishment.. Murder is murder be it young or old..

So lets look at this in another way?? What if mom has a medical condition that requires her to have an abortion?? Say?? Like Preclampsia.. If the child isn't removed, viable or not, the mom will die and hence so will baby?? So what do you do?? One murder or two??

See that is the problem when it comes to abortion.. While over all I think it should be avoided at all cost in the form of birth control or other contraception.. The fact remains that there are times when it is required or both mother and baby will die..

As for this being a biblical issue?? Of course it is.. Only Christians see this in such a black and white issue.. Abortion is murder so it is wrong.. So is capital punishment.. Killing a criminal serves no purpose..

Another issue to consider in the case of abortion.. And if some of you would do a little research you would know this.. Banning abortion will serve no purpose.. Women will find a way to get them anyways.. Be it a wire coat hanger or a dirty doctor in a garage.. Hence the problems of the early 70's when tens of thousands of women and unborn babies were dying annually.. Roe V. Wade was a means to an end.. It wasn't an answer.. And neither is banning abortion.. But try to get a christians to look beyond their noses and see something other than 'Thou shall not kill.'

Humanity already spoke on the issue and gave us Roe V. Wade.. Christians need to accept that and move on..

And China pays for it.. (I just put that there cause I have no idea what it means..)

Are you suggesting that abortion is the only way to end preeclampsia?

Overview

Preeclampsia is high blood pressure and protein in the urine that develops after the 20th week of pregnancy.

Treatment

The only way to cure preeclampsia is to deliver the baby. However, if that delivery would be very early (premature), the disease can be managed by bed rest, close monitoring, and delivery as soon as the fetus has a good chance of surviving outside the womb. Sometimes, medicines are prescribed to lower the mother's blood pressure.

The pregnant mother is usually admitted to the hospital, but some women may be allowed to stay at home with careful monitoring of their blood pressure, urine, and weight, and the baby.

Ideally, the condition is managed until the baby can be delivered after the 37th week of pregnancy.

https://health.google.com/health/ref/Preeclampsia


Abortion is murder of the innocent. Are you suggesting that is also the case for capital punishment?

You're talking t o another brick wall.. a slogan chanting ignorant left-tard who is clueless as to reality

 

[mascale]

Great poster, "Zoom-Boing," (??), asserts without apparent basis in law that "Abortion is Murder Of The Innocent." Reference to U. S. Public Statutes at Large is not made, at all.

Worldwide, and in the 50 states and territories, abortion is a regulated medical procedure,

Selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension, alleged and posted by so many on this thread, may in fact be the source of posted remark. Anyone would say that selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension probably explains the complete lack of understanding of the widely known drinking behavior of Jesus Christ.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Entrepreneurial Spirit of Reagan Trajectory at any rate opposed regulations(?)!"

 

[DiamondDave]

Great poster, "Zoom-Boing," (??), asserts without apparent basis in law that "Abortion is Murder Of The Innocent." Reference to U. S. Public Statutes at Large is not made, at all.

Worldwide, and in the 50 states and territories, abortion is a regulated medical procedure,

Selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension, alleged and posted by so many on this thread, may in fact be the source of posted remark. Anyone would say that selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension probably explains the complete lack of understanding of the widely known drinking behavior of Jesus Christ.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Entrepreneurial Spirit of Reagan Trajectory at any rate opposed regulations(?)!"

Is a fetus a developing human?
Does a developing fetus have it's own unique DNA signature that is not the same as it's mother?
Do laws and society exist to protect the right to life of innocent humans?
Is a human who has not committed a crime against others truly innocent?

Many things that Mengele did can also be deemed 'medical procedures' in the loosest term, as you like to do with the practice of abortion... does not make what he did right either

You are the one showing a lack of reading comprehension and a lack of complete cognitive thinking... you ramble on about slogan points and talking points you have hear somewhere else... you haphazardly try and stick them all together into a post that ends up making about as much sense as tits on a bull

 

[Zoom-boing]

Great poster, "Zoom-Boing," (??), asserts without apparent basis in law that "Abortion is Murder Of The Innocent." Reference to U. S. Public Statutes at Large is not made, at all.

Worldwide, and in the 50 states and territories, abortion is a regulated medical procedure,

Selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension, alleged and posted by so many on this thread, may in fact be the source of posted remark. Anyone would say that selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension probably explains the complete lack of understanding of the widely known drinking behavior of Jesus Christ.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Entrepreneurial Spirit of Reagan Trajectory at any rate opposed regulations(?)!"

That ends innocent human life.

 

[saveliberty]

Great poster, "Zoom-Boing," (??), asserts without apparent basis in law that "Abortion is Murder Of The Innocent." Reference to U. S. Public Statutes at Large is not made, at all.

Worldwide, and in the 50 states and territories, abortion is a regulated medical procedure,

Selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension, alleged and posted by so many on this thread, may in fact be the source of posted remark. Anyone would say that selective conscientious objection to reading comprehension probably explains the complete lack of understanding of the widely known drinking behavior of Jesus Christ.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Entrepreneurial Spirit of Reagan Trajectory at any rate opposed regulations(?)!"

Short version: Yes, let's kill babies!!!

 

[mascale]

Anyone notices that Zoom-boing poster, and apparently also saveliberty poster, are making no references to the federal statutes when asserting that "Abortion is murder of the innocent."

Anyone notices that federal statutes are not "Slogan Points," but that "Abortion is murder of the innocent" is clearly a slogan point.

Zoom-boing poster seems to know something of the medical practice of Nazi Dr. Mengele. Zoom-boing poster would have to explain those procedures in the manner that mascale would explain them. Clearly, civilization world-wide condemns the procedures of Nazi Dr. Mengele. That is the same civilization worldwide that regulates the medical practice of abortions.

Zoom-boing poster is better said in the same minority position as Mengele is said and is regarded. Zoom-boing poster is apparently opposed to federal funding of regulated, medical abortions.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Ignorance of the law has never been said an excuse, after all!)

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

[https://health.google.com/health/ref/Preeclampsia


Abortion is murder of the innocent. Are you suggesting that is also the case for capital punishment?

But doesn't that same Holy Roman Catholic Church consider the unbaptised condemned, under the concept of "Original Sin?" How can they then be both innocent and "unsaved" - guilty of mortal sin at the same time?




As for "capital punishment," I personally do not believe that I have the right to hire someone to commit state mandated homicide in my name. I do not believe I have either moral or ethical right to ask that of another human being. Besides, at the cost of an execution, life no parole is a more economical option.

FINANCIAL FACTS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY

• The California death penalty system costs taxpayers $114 million per year beyond the costs of keeping convicts locked up for life.
Taxpayers have paid more than $250 million for each of the state’s executions. (L.A. Times, March 6, 2005)​

• In Kansas, the costs of capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-capital cases, including the costs of incarceration.
(Kansas Performance Audit Report, December 2003).​

• In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual costs to
Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted. (Urban Institute 2008).​

• The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution

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over the​

costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial level. (Duke University, May 1993).​

• Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in

prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each

execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).​

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• In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992).​

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf​

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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/CostsRptFinal.pdf

 

[saveliberty]

[https://health.google.com/health/ref/Preeclampsia


Abortion is murder of the innocent. Are you suggesting that is also the case for capital punishment?

But doesn't that sam Holy Roman Catholic Church consider the unbaptised condemned, under the concept of "Original Sin?" How can they then be both innocent and "unsaved" - guilty of mortal sin at the same time?




As for "capital punishment," I personally do not believe that I have the right to hire someone to commit state mandated homicide in my name. I do not believe I have either moral or ethical right to ask that of another human being. Besides, at the cost of an execution, life no parole is a more economical option.

FINANCIAL FACTS ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY
• The California death penalty system costs taxpayers $114 million per year beyond the costs of keeping convicts locked up for life.
Taxpayers have paid more than $250 million for each of the state’s executions. (L.A. Times, March 6, 2005)​

• In Kansas, the costs of capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-capital cases, including the costs of incarceration.
(Kansas Performance Audit Report, December 2003).​

• In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual costs to
Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted. (Urban Institute 2008).​

• The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution

​

​

over the​

costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial level. (Duke University, May 1993).​

​

​

• Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in

prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each
execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).​

• In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992).

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf​

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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/CostsRptFinal.pdf

You are suggesting we run government on what makes economic sense?

P.S. Cut appeals to one and use a 38 special. Real inexpensive.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Anyone notices that Zoom-boing poster, and apparently also saveliberty poster, are making no references to the federal statutes when asserting that "Abortion is murder of the innocent."

Anyone notices that federal statutes are not "Slogan Points," but that "Abortion is murder of the innocent" is clearly a slogan point.

Zoom-boing poster seems to know something of the medical practice of Nazi Dr. Mengele. Zoom-boing poster would have to explain those procedures in the manner that mascale would explain them. Clearly, civilization world-wide condemns the procedures of Nazi Dr. Mengele. That is the same civilization worldwide that regulates the medical practice of abortions.

Zoom-boing poster is better said in the same minority position as Mengele is said and is regarded. Zoom-boing poster is apparently opposed to federal funding of regulated, medical abortions.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Ignorance of the law has never been said an excuse, after all!)

Exactly what does an abortion do?

 

[Zoom-boing]

[https://health.google.com/health/ref/Preeclampsia


Abortion is murder of the innocent. Are you suggesting that is also the case for capital punishment?

But doesn't that sam Holy Roman Catholic Church consider the unbaptised condemned, under the concept of "Original Sin?" How can they then be both innocent and "unsaved" - guilty of mortal sin at the same time?

Nice deflection but I don't believe I mentioned religion.

You do not believe that a human life inside a mother is innocent? What crime have they committed?

 

[mascale]

In all parts of the world, the practice of abortion terminates a pregnancy, usuall unwanted for one or more reasons.

Even in Genesis, of the Holy Bible, People of the Book, the first great commandment of Moses is to have dominion over every living thing on the earth.

With respect to the things that are fetus-described, there is worldwide agreement that regulated termination of pregnancy if often warranted.

It is even so in the United States.

In the Luke 20 passages, of the Opening Post, it is even shown that Jesus, called The Christ, can be said to have taken a compassionate perspective on the phenomenon--of various ways to terminate a pregnancy.

The matter of compassion can even be taken to a worldwide consensus, just following the angelic outcomes in the referenced passage.

The United States federal government likes to think that it, too, is compassionate. The President even went so far as to pardon a turkey, at Thanksgiving, for example!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(How much more compassionate can a civilization ever get?)

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

[https://health.google.com/health/ref/Preeclampsia


Abortion is murder of the innocent. Are you suggesting that is also the case for capital punishment?

But doesn't that same Holy Roman Catholic Church consider the unbaptised condemned, under the concept of "Original Sin?" How can they then be both innocent and "unsaved" - guilty of mortal sin at the same time?

Nice deflection but I don't believe I mentioned religion.

You do not believe that a human life inside a mother is innocent? What crime have they committed?

Title of thread: Conservatives Imposing Religious Views Without That Right!

Actually, what I believe is "moot" since the law states that abortion is legal under certain circumstances.

However, if you will take a moment to read the first part of my signature, my position is likely clear.