Conservatism Is Dead

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    I've thought this often as one after another of its policies and its actions fail. But the power of its echo chamber of institutions and media outlets hangs on, spinning any news into myth. Some time ago I wrote that when media gets lost in an attempt at fairness rather than a truthful telling of the situation, it dilutes reality so that alternative views gain credence, not because they are right, but just because they are repeated. Is cold hearted social Darwinist conservatism finally dead? I mean no insult to Charles on his birthday. We can only hope.

    'An intellectual autopsy of the movement' by Sam Tanenhaus

    "...After George W. Bush's two terms, conservatives must reckon with the consequences of a presidency that failed, in large part, because of its fervent commitment to movement ideology: the aggressively unilateralist foreign policy; the blind faith in a deregulated, Wall Street-centric market; the harshly punitive "culture war" waged against liberal "elites." That these precepts should have found their final, hapless defender in John McCain, who had resisted them for most of his long career, only confirms that movement doctrine retains an inflexible and suffocating grip on the GOP."

    Conservatism Is Dead

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/writing/50779-end-of-democracy.html
     
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    How many weeks will you wait before you post this again Midcan? It wasn't true before and it isn't true now.
     
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    Repeating partisan crapola and lies does not suddenly make them true
     
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    Conservatism isn't dead, but it has a serious problem. Neo-Conservatives have co-opted the conservative identity in much the same way that the word Liberal was co-opted by a group of people who were/are anything but Liberal. As long as those Neo-Con clowns are able to fool people into believing that their brand of national socialism is "conservative", the real conservatives will find it impossible to be an effective political force.
     
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    To which SPECIFIC POLICIES are you referring? (There will be no forthcoming SPECIFICS, as this position can only survive in the ethereal vaguery inherent in 'implication.' The INSTANT this argument is carried into the gravitational influence of 'Specificity,' the truth begins to tear it apart...)

    One of my favorite traits of the left is how they try to REFLECT their OWN fatally flawed traits onto their opposition... In this case, the concept of the 'Echo-Chamber' is a prideful resource of the ideological left... Numerous RADICAL LEFTIST forums boast that their sites are designed to be "Progressive Echo-Chambers;" and this is due to the left being incapable of surviving outside of it's OWN artificial environment... Sites such as:

    The Progressive Echo Chamber - The Progressive Echo Chamber
    The Echo Chamber Project - Progressive Media Reform Conference | Echo Chamber Project
    Alternet.org - About: The Case For AlterNet | AlterNet - In this link they tell us about themselves boasting: "AlterNet is an award-winning news magazine and online community that creates original journalism and amplifies the best of hundreds of other independent media sources. AlterNet's aim is to inspire action and advocacy on the environment, human rights and civil liberties, social justice, media, health care issues, and more. ... AlterNet is a key player in the echo chamber of progressive ideas and vision.

    More of the same can be seen on the Democratic Underground, The Daily KOS and dozens of other left-think crank sites. THEY NEED THESE SITES TO GO WHERE THEY CAN SPOUT THIS DRIVEL WITHOUT CONTEST!

    Just look around this board and see the left's EPIC failure, thread after thread. And this is one of the FEW boards on the internet, where an effective contest of the ideological left will not inevitably get you BANNED.

    Now the thing to look for is the change. In going back to the sites where the phrase "Progressive Echo-Chamber" is pridefully used... I noted that Common Dreams is no longer boasting such in describing themselves. This was the FIRST SITE where I came upon the term "Progressive Echo Chamber" some years ago... it is now nowhere to be found on that site. And I take some pride in that, as several of the sites I've frequented over the years were LOADED with 'Common Dreamers' and I've beaten them severely about the rhetorical head and eyes over the prideful boasts of their parent site, belittling their inherent need to here their own views reflected back to them as some twisted source which they use to erroneously conclude validity... It's all a function of ad populum fallacy... the logical appeal to popularity... the left THRIVES ON IT! They can't exist WITHOUT IT. "Everyone Knows..." And their constant refering to polls and the chronic explanations which exclaim on perception of a 'majority' who holds this or that view is ALL WRAPPED UP ON THIS SPURIOUS reasoning.

    You CAN HOWEVER now find innumerable rants on Common Dreams, delcaring a "Right wing Echo-chamber' as this idiot is claiming; all which serves to CONCLUSIVELY prove my point. This site is a popular intellectual flop for the Progressive Media and what you find on Common Dreams you'll find being splattered around the MSM... Which explains the coordinated shift, from their failed declarations of their sites being safe havens for left-think... 'Echo-chambers' are NOW 'what the right does....' It's a lie...

    Progressives NEED the echo-chamber... their entire political viability DEPENDS UPON IT... without the means to touch rhetorical-peters and celebrating their own perceived genius amongst themselves, the left's ideas are exposed to ready refutation... and sudden death. Thus they presume that their opposition also needs the Echo-Chamber and because they have finally begun to sense how this vulnerability effects THEM, they've run to project it onto their opposition, which serves reason... as it is precisely what one expects the idiots to do.

    Check out those sites and file thier self descriptions of "The Progressive ECHO-CHAMBER" away and, when at some point in the fairly near future you find that the relevant self descriptions are GONE... the whole ugly truth will be solidified... when at that point, they will have saddled their opposition with the fatally flawed reasoning which originally lead them to saddle THEMSELVES with it.
     
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    There is no such thing as a "Neo-Con." This is a myth designed to undermine Americans... One is either Conservative or one is NOT.

    Nationalism is NOT a trait which stands at odds with conservatism... SOCIALISM is...

    A Socialist who also happens to be a NATIONALIST is vastly preferred to a SOCIALIST who rejects or fails to respect national sovereignty... but their nationalism does NOT make them a CONSERVATIVE.

    Other than that I agree with you...
     
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    Get the point much?
     
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    neo-conservatism is dead, but not conservatism....you should have stated that up front...
     
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    the 59 million people who voted for the other guiy would disagree
     
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    Why would I state that when I don't believe that? The problem for true conservatives is that Neo-Conservatives aren't dead, I believe they actually run the GOP. That's why I think the real conservatives have to figure out a way to differentiate themselves from the neo-con clowns.
     

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