Communists(Socialists) Are Cool

I guess the OP is against the First Amendment??? Is being a communist or socialist against the laws of this country? If it's not, then why would you want them to be harassed by the government? What happened to the idiots who keep lying and saying "get government out of the way!"? :lol:
 
I'm not really afraid of communism or socialism. I can certainly imagine a world where property - at the scale of real estate or even the 'means of production' (though that is sort of a loaded concept) are held as part of the 'commons'.

The problem I have is with authoritarianism - and most form of socialism seem to favorite the ubiquitous, coercive state. To be fair, most forms of 'capitalism' these days do the same.
 
It would seem no matter the political stance of anyone really in these presentations, it is actually the insurmountable fact we are looking down the barrel of a $20,000,000,000,000+ debt and counting and that figure is the cut off for never being able to pay down said debt.

And that amount for reckoning is coming in the first part of the 2nd year of Obama's 2nd term.

It is item 13, of the 13 steps of the demise of civilizations over the last 5000 years, without exception: Insurmountable debt.

Consider.

Robert
 
Not that we have seen thus far.....................................nor are Fascists.

Fascists are just the other side of the same coin. Communists and Fascists are usually Socialists.

Wrong.

One common definition of fascism focuses on three groups of ideas:
The Fascist Negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism.
Nationalist, authoritarian goals for the creation of a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture.
A political aesthetic using romantic symbolism, mass mobilisation, a positive view of violence, promotion of masculinity and youth and charismatic leadership.[28][29][30]

[edit] Position in the political spectrum

There is a running dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[31][32][33][34] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[35][36] A major element of fascism that has been deemed as clearly far-right is its goal to promote the right of claimed superior people to dominate while purging society of claimed inferior elements.[37]

Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"[38][39] although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[40] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[32] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[33][34]

Fascism is often considered right-wing due to its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[41][42] Robert Stackleberg places fascism — including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism" — on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[43]

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fascism is a far right ideology.
 
Not that we have seen thus far.....................................nor are Fascists.

Fascists are just the other side of the same coin. Communists and Fascists are usually Socialists.

Wrong.

One common definition of fascism focuses on three groups of ideas:
The Fascist Negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism.
Nationalist, authoritarian goals for the creation of a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture.
A political aesthetic using romantic symbolism, mass mobilisation, a positive view of violence, promotion of masculinity and youth and charismatic leadership.[28][29][30]

[edit] Position in the political spectrum

There is a running dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[31][32][33][34] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[35][36] A major element of fascism that has been deemed as clearly far-right is its goal to promote the right of claimed superior people to dominate while purging society of claimed inferior elements.[37]

Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"[38][39] although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[40] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[32] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[33][34]

Fascism is often considered right-wing due to its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[41][42] Robert Stackleberg places fascism — including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism" — on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[43]

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fascism is a far right ideology.

Totalitarianism varies in proclaimed ideology, but the result is the same.
 
Not that we have seen thus far.....................................nor are Fascists.

Fascists are just the other side of the same coin. Communists and Fascists are usually Socialists.

Wrong.

One common definition of fascism focuses on three groups of ideas:
The Fascist Negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism.
Nationalist, authoritarian goals for the creation of a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture.
A political aesthetic using romantic symbolism, mass mobilisation, a positive view of violence, promotion of masculinity and youth and charismatic leadership.[28][29][30]

[edit] Position in the political spectrum

There is a running dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[31][32][33][34] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[35][36] A major element of fascism that has been deemed as clearly far-right is its goal to promote the right of claimed superior people to dominate while purging society of claimed inferior elements.[37]

Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"[38][39] although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[40] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[32] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[33][34]

Fascism is often considered right-wing due to its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[41][42] Robert Stackleberg places fascism — including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism" — on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[43]

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fascism is a far right ideology.

No....Fascism is the opposite of a far right ideology. A far right ideology is no government, whereas fascism is authoritarian government in the extreme.
 
"Fascism is a far left ideology" may end up being the most destructive lie of the century.
 
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I remember when saying you were a communist would have gotten you ether locked up or it would have caused a negative reaction.
Now it's like, "Oh......you're a communist? Cool.......I'm a Sagittarius!!!"

More and more people are coming out of the closet. Pretty soon the 70 or so members of Congress will feel safe enough to loudly proclaim
"I'm A Communist.....And I'm Proud Of It!!!!"

If you look closely at who's been raising hell in Washington the last 12 years or so every single one of them is a known socialist/communist, and every single one of them is a Democrat. Barney Frank, John Conyers, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Dennis Kusinich, Berney Sanders, Jessie Jackson jr., Jim McDermott, John Lewis, Charles Rangel, Bobby Rush, Maxine Waters, Henry Waxman, these people are currently in charge of every committee in Congress. The communists are currently in charge of our government thanks to the Democratic Party.

We don't have a space program anymore. Obama signed that over to Russia. He's given them 7 oil rich islands in the Aleutian chain. No complaints from anyone.

Obama is giving away Aleutian islands to Russia.

Part of Obama’s apparent war against U.S. energy independence includes a foreign-aid program that directly threatens my state’s sovereign territory. Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.
The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.
The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.
The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care.

Russia is calling the shots. It's taking time, but eventually we will be another satellite of the Russian government if we don't do something to stop it.

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Links

American Socialists Release Names of 70 Congressional Democrats in Their Ranks | The Gateway Pundit
Obama is giving away Aleutian islands to Russia : Obama - Primal Habits

America's land & infastructire has been for sale on the international market for years

but now that you seem to think it has a partisan bent, you're all over it



~S~
 
I try not to weigh in too much to "debates" such as these, because it's not like the discussion is at all serious.

People who are curious and knowledgeable of history understand well that the former Soviet Union as well as Hitler's Germany were not actually "communist".

Same with Fidel Castro's Cuba; not really communist.

True communism would see no central gov't whatsoever, and those countries had governments.

Even though Hitler ran under the banner of the socialist worker's party, he only did so to make it appear like he cared about the common man, when really he had his own plans.

Fascism does not recognize conservatism or liberalism; it comes out of an authoritarianism bent on having single-party control over an entire country and its tendency is to use the military in order to help bolster national pride, since nothing rallies an entire country more than picking on some other country.

The other idea of fascism that is dangerous is the idea of one homogenized society with essentially one kind of person, tradition, value system, religion or culture.

A left-wing authoritarian would be Hugo Chavez, who nationalized the oil industry in his country. Left-wing authoriatiarianism has more to do with that extreme while right-wing fascism is what Hitler and Castro were, their distinguishing features being that they used the military to stay in power and to get their handy work done.

A socialist is different than all those other things, and all this stuff is worthy of a real discussion, but I'm afraid this is a toxic thread written for the intent of throwing mud at one side more than it is about trying to understand these concepts and how they really work.

You know if you're involved in a fascist or a communist group, because they'll demand conformity from you and if you don't conform, they treat you as a lesser-than, make fun of you, ostracize you, and worse.

Now, an interesting discussion really could take place about which American party demands the most conformity in order to join and stay within its ranks.
 
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It's fitting that there are so many communists in the Democrat Party because Democracy means "Mob Rule" which is what folks like Obama encourage.

Authoritarians tend to use mob rule as a means to enslave the masses by overthrowing governments.
 
"Fascism is a far left ideology" may end up being the most destructive lie of the century.

Horse crap.

Not knowing this makes you a fool.

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Your clip sucks, The right has no idea of the brutal, opportunistic dickheads waiting with baited breath to fill all the unchecked power vacuums they are trying to create.
 
Facists and Theocrats always call Liberals, "communists"..

"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood" (Bullock 228 [1971])[2]. Likewise, in Hitler's 25-Point program, he stresses common (national) interest over personal gain: "The [National Socialist] Party...is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest" (Hitler Historical Museum 4).
 
It's fitting that there are so many communists in the Democrat Party because Democracy means "Mob Rule" which is what folks like Obama encourage.

Authoritarians tend to use mob rule as a means to enslave the masses by overthrowing governments.

You'll have to forgive me, I still can't tell the Colbert Republicans on here from the real ones, if you know what I mean.

Are you a Colbert Republican? I hope you are, cause you write really funny. You probably wouldn't admit it to me anyway, or maybe somebody else will clue me in about it.

"Authoritarians tend to use mob rule as a means to enslave the masses by overthrowing governments." I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to put that line in a script I'm writing, it's just too good...
 
"Fascism is a far left ideology" may end up being the most destructive lie of the century.

It was a commie that killed one of the most Liberal American Presidents..John F. Kennedy.

And the Conservatives (John Bircher Society), cheered.

Good job boys.

:clap2:

Human nature abhors a power vacuum, the ideal of no central government is as loony and unattainable coming from the libertarians as it was coming from the communists.
 
Oh..and the current Pope you conservatives claim fealty to is an ex-Nazi.

The circle is complete.

Fire up those ovens...boys.
 

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