Communist Goals Accomplihed

[MisterBeale]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

It's sad what this world has become.

When so many people cannot tell opinion from news anymore, and news from propaganda lies, we really need a whole lot of luck and good fortune, if we believe in freedom, democracy and constitution.

I mean, seriously. All you had to do was switching on the tv to see Trump himself rallying up the crowd who stormed the capitol. It is all there, life on tv for everybody to see. This guy doesn't even try to cover what he's doing, yet people buy his crap.

I've reached a point at which I just hope this madness shrinks over time, and gets small enough to fit back on the fringe. I don't know how to communicate with them any more. So I just ask questions, trying to understand their various opinions.

Have you seen interviews with the rank-and-file base, and what they believe? This is real. They really do believe this stuff, and they'll go along with anything that MTG or Gaetz or the pillow guy or any of the rest of them say. All you can do is watch.

Yes, all we can do is watch ... and maybe sometimes have a nice chat with someone who isn't down the rabbit hole.

It's a bit different over here, and fortunately not (yet) as bad as it seems to be in America, but I've spoken with people like that. Here it's less about Trump, but there are quite a few Covid deniers here, the Russian propaganda outlet RT News is what FOX News/Newsmax are for Americans, and they have their "alternative facts" all straight ...

One of my brothers lives in London, and he says the same thing. He doesn't think that America's divisions in basic reality are as bad in Europe, but he does see signs of it.

Pretty soon we're going to need interpreters just to communicate with them.

I'm afraid this all won't end before we've found ways to deal with the opportunity of massive disinformation via "new media".

Maybe the rise of the internet and social media is a turning point, much like the invention of the printing press, or of radio and tv. The last times, massive unrests and wars started after these structural changes in the media.

Until a few years ago, tyrants attempted to suppress and censor free speech. Today, they use the information overabundance for massive disinformation campaigns.

When you believe in free speech, how do you deal with the enemies of freedom turning freedom of speech against itself?

Well, that's a great question. I'm a lifelong crazed advocate of freedom of expression, and I very much want everyone's opinion to be heard. That hasn't changed, but these people are certainly putting a strain on my advocacy.

It seems to me that for freedom of expression to function as intended, it does require at least an agreement on reality, and incredibly we're simply no longer there. It also essentially works on the honor system, and now there are too many people who have a vested professional interest in keeping Americans misinformed, angry, paranoid and separate.

These people have created a fully functioning, closed circuit alternate reality, one that is simply no longer tethered to the rest of the country. It's incredible. And I don't know how this is going to work within the context of freedom of expression. I do not want to lose that important liberal American value.

Yes, I feel similar... and I have no good ideas about what to do, either.

Maybe at least genuine fake news could be countered, by making social media platforms legally responsible for the stuff posted there. If someone who becomes target of lies or slander could successfully sue Facebook or Youtube, they'd finally take care what happens on their platforms. That could be a start.

But then, you'd still have all this stuff that isn't outright fake news, but just heavy bias and framing, "just asking questions" and so on, which oftentimes is just as bad.

As a long term measure, maybe competence in dealing with information should become a general topic in schools ... but considering how bad the situation is in education, maybe that's not realistic. And perhaps not quite effective, as pupils are eventually more influenced by their environment, rather than schools.

Interesting idea. I've also wondered if it's possible to maintain some kind of self-policing industry organization. I'm a financial advisor here, and we have FINRA doing that. I'd have to think about the negative implications, but I'm imagining it could enforce requirements and standards for sources calling themselves "news".

It would be nice if, like professional wrestling, these people would admit what they are. But that's not going to happen. Too much money and fame.

There are still people who think professional wrestling is real.

Yup.

. . . and there are still folks that think American politics are real as well.

 

[Lastamender]

It's a hoax. Hardly anyone supports rioters.

The Feds dropping the charges is not support? It most certainly emboldens the rioters.

 

[Lastamender]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

 

[dudmuck]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

she was part of a violent mob trespassing, many of them were armed.

 

[Mac1958]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

she was part of a violent mob trespassing, many of them were armed.

Hey, remember, every one of them is the victim. Always. And that goes to the top.

 

[Lastamender]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

she was part of a violent mob trespassing, many of them were armed.

Hey, remember, every one of them is the victim. Always. And that goes to the top.

Victim hood and hate is what your party lives on. Next.

 

[Seawytch]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

she was part of a violent mob trespassing, many of them were armed.

Hey, remember, every one of them is the victim. Always. And that goes to the top.

Victim hood and hate is what your party lives on. Next.

Next what? Projection of yours?

 

[Lastamender]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

she was part of a violent mob trespassing, many of them were armed.

Hey, remember, every one of them is the victim. Always. And that goes to the top.

Victim hood and hate is what your party lives on. Next.

Next what? Projection of yours?

I am not the projectionist and you know it. Will you ever admit it?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

It's sad what this world has become.

When so many people cannot tell opinion from news anymore, and news from propaganda lies, we really need a whole lot of luck and good fortune, if we believe in freedom, democracy and constitution.

I mean, seriously. All you had to do was switching on the tv to see Trump himself rallying up the crowd who stormed the capitol. It is all there, life on tv for everybody to see. This guy doesn't even try to cover what he's doing, yet people buy his crap.

I've reached a point at which I just hope this madness shrinks over time, and gets small enough to fit back on the fringe. I don't know how to communicate with them any more. So I just ask questions, trying to understand their various opinions.

Have you seen interviews with the rank-and-file base, and what they believe? This is real. They really do believe this stuff, and they'll go along with anything that MTG or Gaetz or the pillow guy or any of the rest of them say. All you can do is watch.

Yes, all we can do is watch ... and maybe sometimes have a nice chat with someone who isn't down the rabbit hole.

It's a bit different over here, and fortunately not (yet) as bad as it seems to be in America, but I've spoken with people like that. Here it's less about Trump, but there are quite a few Covid deniers here, the Russian propaganda outlet RT News is what FOX News/Newsmax are for Americans, and they have their "alternative facts" all straight ...

One of my brothers lives in London, and he says the same thing. He doesn't think that America's divisions in basic reality are as bad in Europe, but he does see signs of it.

Pretty soon we're going to need interpreters just to communicate with them.

What makes you think you have a handle on reality?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

January 6 was a bunch of people protesting what they believed was injustice. They were stupid and let their passion rule them. It was not a fucking insurrection by any measure.

Who lacks a grip on reality?

 

[22lcidw]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

It's sad what this world has become.

When so many people cannot tell opinion from news anymore, and news from propaganda lies, we really need a whole lot of luck and good fortune, if we believe in freedom, democracy and constitution.

I mean, seriously. All you had to do was switching on the tv to see Trump himself rallying up the crowd who stormed the capitol. It is all there, life on tv for everybody to see. This guy doesn't even try to cover what he's doing, yet people buy his crap.

Another war is long overdue. It will shut the evil of you up for a couple of decades before it starts to rear its ugly head again. It depends on how many hundreds of millions if not billions die.

Who would you classify as "evil"?

Perfection does not exist. Demanding massive government in believing political theories in a nation that did not start in that framework is suicide for the country. We lasted this long with one constitution because we had real money as our backing. In one century we have had endless wars and a massive high tax government where even deficits from endless printing now does not stimulate the economy anymore. It keeps it afloat because there is no courage to live within our means. And that means a reduction of the standard of living and reality from all the programs we have. So a war is possible. Evil is what I typed. Even if it sounds nice to you.

 

[Unkotare]

If there is no pushback and there is not, take the positions of power that are authoritarian and get those asses back with pure venom also. People died during the Russian revolution and Cuba and got nothing in return. Get them. Kill their families as it will happen. It will be forgotten long term. We live in an age of where social media knows us all. Reducing the population will be easy. And then growth will occur from there if we open up again.

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[percysunshine]

This is what you support if you support this illegitimate administration. Look at this one.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use “united force” to solve economic, political, or social problems


DONE. We’ve watched BLM and their sisters in Antifa burn our cities for over a year since the death of George FLoyd, and we watched them get away with it.


If you’re counting, that’s 17 pinko goals that have already been achieved. We can debate the others, and we should, soon, because the Marxists are succeeding at an alarming rate.

In 1958 Communists Had 45 Goals to Take Over the U.S. Without Firing a Shot. Here Are the Ones They've Already Achieved

The communists failed at making Jane Fonda president.

 

[Seawytch]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

she was part of a violent mob trespassing, many of them were armed.

Hey, remember, every one of them is the victim. Always. And that goes to the top.

Victim hood and hate is what your party lives on. Next.

Next what? Projection of yours?

I am not the projectionist and you know it. Will you ever admit it?

I know that the party of Trump exists on projection.

 

[Seawytch]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

January 6 was a bunch of people protesting what they believed was injustice. They were stupid and let their passion rule them. It was not a fucking insurrection by any measure.

Who lacks a grip on reality?

When they stormed the capital and tried to break into the chamber, what was their goal?

 

[Lastamender]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

The doors were opened by the authorities in charge there. After that it was simple to instigate violence. We cannot be sure Trump supporters instigated that violence, We can be sure they did not murder an innocent unarmed woman.

she was part of a violent mob trespassing, many of them were armed.

Hey, remember, every one of them is the victim. Always. And that goes to the top.

Victim hood and hate is what your party lives on. Next.

Next what? Projection of yours?

I am not the projectionist and you know it. Will you ever admit it?

I know that the party of Trump exists on projection.

Yep 75 million holograms, if not many more.

 

[dudmuck]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Lastamender]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

You Democrats cool with forensic audits in all the swing states?

 

[dudmuck]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

You Democrats cool with forensic audits in all the swing states?

If it was a forensic audit, but instead its a partisan inquisition.

Keep "recounting" until you get the numbers you want?

 

[Lastamender]

Your diselected President attempted a putsch by rallying up a mob storming the capital, and you blame anybody else than Trump and his supporters, who were just one tiny step away from erecting a tyranny in America? Seriously?

Bullshit. That was staged to distract from the fraud. Another part of the cover up that has failed miserably.

Just to make sure I've got this right:

Jan 6th was staged by someone other than Trump supporters to distract from the rigged election?

Thanks in advance.

You Democrats cool with forensic audits in all the swing states?

If it was a forensic audit, but instead its a partisan inquisition.

Keep "recounting" until you get the numbers you want?

Take away the illegal ballots and Trump wins the state. And that state, and that state and so on.