Communism, Socialism or Capitalism?

[Zoomie1980]

Just as do the neo marxists who copmpletely ignore the impact of human nature on economics simply because it is all but impossible to quantify it.

The left has tried to ignoe the law of supply and demand for the last hundred years and have essentailly foundered upon it repeatedly. One may as well attempt to repeal the law of gravity.

As a species, we are simply not that evolved from our animal kingdom brethren. We are selfish beings to the core. Maybe not to the absolute level of the individual, but most certainly to our families, our kid's schools and or our local community or neighbourhood. By nature, we are not overly concerned about anything beyond that scope.

The "collective" is about as alien to modern human nature as any concept in the Universe.

No economic-political system that runs against than axiom of core selfishness will ever work.

 

[Agnapostate]

As a species, we are simply not that evolved from our animal kingdom brethren. We are selfish beings to the core. Maybe not to the absolute level of the individual, but most certainly to our families, our kid's schools and or our local community or neighbourhood. By nature, we are not overly concerned about anything beyond that scope.

Yes, that's pertinent whilst referring to kin and reciprocal altruism. And that's precisely why any political and economic system must be implemented on a decentralized level, so as to foster solidarity through community assemblies in which direct democracy is practiced.

The "collective" is about as alien to modern human nature as any concept in the Universe.

Humans would not have evolved if not for collective social groupings. The social group is an integral component of human nature, and is found in every human culture and society in existence. Hence, that is the nature of expounding upon the virtues of voluntary association in a collective.

No economic-political system that runs against than axiom of core selfishness will ever work.

That's a rather inaccurate analysis. Egoistic self-interest certainly plays an integral role in human behavior, and it would be grossly utopian to assume otherwise, but there's a critical difference between egoism and egotism that must be addressed, with the latter being utopian itself through its reliance on rational choice theory.

The absurdity of rational choice theory is effectively summarized through McQuaig's quote of Amartya Sen. "'Can you direct me to the railway station?' asks the stranger. 'Certainly,' says the local, pointing, in the opposite direction, towards the post office, 'and would you post this letter for me on your way?' 'Certainly,' says the stranger, resolving to open it to see if it contains anything worth stealing." (McQuaig, 2001)

 

[Zoomie1980]

As a species, we are simply not that evolved from our animal kingdom brethren. We are selfish beings to the core. Maybe not to the absolute level of the individual, but most certainly to our families, our kid's schools and or our local community or neighbourhood. By nature, we are not overly concerned about anything beyond that scope.

Yes, that's pertinent whilst referring to kin and reciprocal altruism. And that's precisely why any political and economic system must be implemented on a decentralized level, so as to foster solidarity through community assemblies in which direct democracy is practiced.

The "collective" is about as alien to modern human nature as any concept in the Universe.

Humans would not have evolved if not for collective social groupings. The social group is an integral component of human nature, and is found in every human culture and society in existence. Hence, that is the nature of expounding upon the virtues of voluntary association in a collective.

No economic-political system that runs against than axiom of core selfishness will ever work.

That's a rather inaccurate analysis. Egoistic self-interest certainly plays an integral role in human behavior, and it would be grossly utopian to assume otherwise, but there's a critical difference between egoism and egotism that must be addressed, with the latter being utopian itself through its reliance on rational choice theory.

The absurdity of rational choice theory is effectively summarized through McQuaig's quote of Amartya Sen. "'Can you direct me to the railway station?' asks the stranger. 'Certainly,' says the local, pointing, in the opposite direction, towards the post office, 'and would you post this letter for me on your way?' 'Certainly,' says the stranger, resolving to open it to see if it contains anything worth stealing." (McQuaig, 2001)

You are simply a man in complete DENIAL of reality and surround yourself with with nothing but other academic fools are are equally in denial of man's level of evolution. Human history has virtually unanimously proved you and your anarchistic brethren wrong, over and over and over again.

We are selfish beings but at the same time seek security that only "government" or some other monolithic social entity can provide. That's simply the fundamental axiom of human nature that you seem to have no capacity to grasp. Which in turn makes you into a complete rambling, extremist, fool

 

[Agnapostate]

You are simply a man in complete DENIAL of reality and surround yourself with with nothing but other academic fools are are equally in denial of man's level of evolution. Human history has virtually unanimously proved you and your anarchistic brethren wrong, over and over and over again.

We are selfish beings but at the same time seek security that only "government" or some other monolithic social entity can provide. That's simply the fundamental axiom of human nature that you seem to have no capacity to grasp. Which in turn makes you into a complete rambling, extremist, fool

I've learned that repeated arguments, points, evidence, etc. does absolutely nothing to those so firmly encased in absurd ideological positions that they became deaf to anything and everything that contradicts them. So why not enjoy a visual presentation, at least?

[youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VUig0lFHDDw&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VUig0lFHDDw&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

You are simply a man in complete DENIAL of reality and surround yourself with with nothing but other academic fools are are equally in denial of man's level of evolution. Human history has virtually unanimously proved you and your anarchistic brethren wrong, over and over and over again.

We are selfish beings but at the same time seek security that only "government" or some other monolithic social entity can provide. That's simply the fundamental axiom of human nature that you seem to have no capacity to grasp. Which in turn makes you into a complete rambling, extremist, fool

I've learned that repeated arguments, points, evidence, etc. does absolutely nothing to those so firmly encased in absurd ideological positions that they became deaf to anything and everything that contradicts them. So why not enjoy a visual presentation, at least?

What you've learned is to keep your post short and to run for the tall grass when your foolish pap is discredited... so you can pop up in another thread spouting the SAME drivel, making vague unsourced references to your numerous pontifications wherein you falsely declare them as having never been spoken to...

You're an idiot... and that's pretty much the extent of it.

 

[Zoomie1980]

You are simply a man in complete DENIAL of reality and surround yourself with with nothing but other academic fools are are equally in denial of man's level of evolution. Human history has virtually unanimously proved you and your anarchistic brethren wrong, over and over and over again.

We are selfish beings but at the same time seek security that only "government" or some other monolithic social entity can provide. That's simply the fundamental axiom of human nature that you seem to have no capacity to grasp. Which in turn makes you into a complete rambling, extremist, fool

I've learned that repeated arguments, points, evidence, etc. does absolutely nothing to those so firmly encased in absurd ideological positions that they became deaf to anything and everything that contradicts them. So why not enjoy a visual presentation, at least?

[youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VUig0lFHDDw&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VUig0lFHDDw&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]

LOL! That worked out really well, no didn't it.

Contrary to your warped "vision" the world continues to "evolve", naturally, towards the exact opposite of what you stand for. A "globalization" of government. A consortium, cooperative of multiple governments in to a global governing order. More and more, and more government appears to be our social direction of choice as a species.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

You are simply a man in complete DENIAL of reality and surround yourself with with nothing but other academic fools are are equally in denial of man's level of evolution. Human history has virtually unanimously proved you and your anarchistic brethren wrong, over and over and over again.

We are selfish beings but at the same time seek security that only "government" or some other monolithic social entity can provide. That's simply the fundamental axiom of human nature that you seem to have no capacity to grasp. Which in turn makes you into a complete rambling, extremist, fool

I've learned that repeated arguments, points, evidence, etc. does absolutely nothing to those so firmly encased in absurd ideological positions that they became deaf to anything and everything that contradicts them. So why not enjoy a visual presentation, at least?

[youtube]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VUig0lFHDDw&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VUig0lFHDDw&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]

LOL! That worked out really well, no didn't it.

Contrary to your warped "vision" the world continues to "evolve", naturally, towards the exact opposite of what you stand for. A "globalization" of government. A consortium, cooperative of multiple governments in to a global governing order. More and more, and more government appears to be our social direction of choice as a species.

Well it cycles from tyanny to tyranny... with slight lapses of freedom... This idiot isn't an anarchist, she's a communist who simply rejects the obvious.

But you're correct, the species just doesn't seem capable of sustaining freedom... and that is because of the human nature to shirk responsibility...

 

[AVG-JOE]

Before you advise ME to "try to keep up", try getting a dictionary so YOU can keep up. That way, you wouldn't be wasting my time and screen space asking me asinine questions about whether or not communism, socialism, and capitalism are economic or political systems.

Ergo, in the context of this thread, we aren't talking political systems, which you've already been told repeatedly, numbskull. In other words, do us all a favor and find out what you're talking about before opening your cavernous piehole and spewing.

Hey sister, if you don't want to talk to me - don't answer my posts!

-Joe

I didn't say I didn't want to talk to you. I enjoy pointing out what an imbecile you are. What I said was that I don't want YOU to talk . . . at least until you have some frigging clue what the topic is.

Let me get this straight... your opinion is fine, and I'm free to comment as long as I agree with you...

Capitalism?

Communism? ​

Socialism? ​

Wait! I have it! You must be a Fascist!

Well isn't that special?!?

-Joe

 

[AVG-JOE]

Crap.



Now they even have me using name calling as a debate technique.

Sorry Cecilie. That 'fascist' label was uncalled for, please accept my apology.

__________________________________________

Can we get a moderator to move this pissing match over to Mani's Sandbox?

__________________________________________

-Joe

 

[KittenKoder]

Crap.



Now they even have me using name calling as a debate technique.

Sorry Cecilie. That 'fascist' label was uncalled for, please accept my apology.

__________________________________________

Can we get a moderator to move this pissing match over to Mani's Sandbox?

__________________________________________

-Joe

Actually ... the original poster and basis of this thread does warrant some decent discussion in spite of the bursts of mudslinging from the wingnuts on both sides. It is tough not to get sucked in Joe, so don't beat yourself up over it, we all do it sometimes no matter how objective we try to take things.

 

[Agnapostate]

What you've learned is to keep your post short and to run for the tall grass when your foolish pap is discredited... so you can pop up in another thread spouting the SAME drivel, making vague unsourced references to your numerous pontifications wherein you falsely declare them as having never been spoken to...

You're an idiot... and that's pretty much the extent of it.

An amusing (and rather clownish) post, considering that there is an extensive rebuttal of your imbecilic rambling contained in this very thread. You've chosen to ignore it because you lack the sufficient knowledge of political economy required to adequately address it.

LOL! That worked out really well, no didn't it.

Lowly rabble though we are, I'd posit that a vast social revolution involving eight to ten million people that brought about clear regional efficiency gains, and constituted the greatest establishment of libertarian socialism in existence did "work out really well." The Revolution, of course, was brought down by external forces. The decision to collaborate with Republican "allies" exposed the anarchist collectives to Stalinist sabotage, naturally, and the military conquest of the fascists eventually overran Aragon and Catalonia, as well as the areas of the Levant held by the anarchists. There was no internal failure involved, which is obviously the most critical factor to consider.

Contrary to your warped "vision" the world continues to "evolve", naturally, towards the exact opposite of what you stand for. A "globalization" of government. A consortium, cooperative of multiple governments in to a global governing order. More and more, and more government appears to be our social direction of choice as a species.

Reliance on external hierarchy and government bureaucracy will plague humanity for generations to come. I've never pretended that statism and capitalism will be ended during my lifetime; such a belief would be unduly utopian.

Well it cycles from tyanny to tyranny... with slight lapses of freedom... This idiot isn't an anarchist, she's a communist who simply rejects the obvious.

But you're correct, the species just doesn't seem capable of sustaining freedom... and that is because of the human nature to shirk responsibility...

You've extensively illustrated your ignorance of politics, economics, and a number of related topics before, but is it really necessary to do it so blatantly? Anarchists are necessarily anti-capitalists in that capitalism necessitates authoritarian social groupings. I said nothing of free markets causing such authoritarianism; rather, such is the bane of actually existing capitalism.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Crap.



Now they even have me using name calling as a debate technique.

Sorry Cecilie. That 'fascist' label was uncalled for, please accept my apology.

__________________________________________

Can we get a moderator to move this pissing match over to Mani's Sandbox?

__________________________________________

-Joe

Actually ... the original poster and basis of this thread does warrant some decent discussion in spite of the bursts of mudslinging from the wingnuts on both sides. It is tough not to get sucked in Joe, so don't beat yourself up over it, we all do it sometimes no matter how objective we try to take things.

ROFL...

Enter the moderate whose entire thesis is both sides are wrong, because fo the mud slinging... no 'decent discussion' with regard to the OP which warrants such, just a notaiton that such is warranted...

What a MIND!

So with respect to the fascists... let's return this thread to relevant argument:

Capitalism is the natural order of economics...

Socialism, which is communism at an early stage of development... is a function of secularism, and the unbridled arrogance of the Social Scientists that they've some means to control the Economy...

It's the same arrogance which allows them to believe that they can control the environment.

When the left has finally pissed the world off and the inevitable spasm comes which destroys them; what will rise from tha ashes of that extinction will be Capitalism... Defined as the free exchange of the goods and services to the mutual benefit of both parties; capitalism is simply how people trade the value which they possess for the value which they desire, want or need... and it works every time that it is tried...

What I love about the advocates of 'mixed economies' is how they clammer on about how corruption is inherent in capitalism; so they demand that 'just enough Socialism is necessary to keep capitalism in check...' when the socialism is being advanced by the same beings which could not manage to honestly exchange fair value for fair value... So their SOLUTUION is to give those same CORRUPTIBLE PEOPLE MORE POWER... through which their unbridled arrogance will corrupt far more deeply, and in ways which are far more destructive...

Socialism is a lie... it's not an economic system of any kind... it's a ideology... which uses economics as a means to its decietful end.

Socialism is merely a rationalization where the individual is said to be incapable of maintaining their responsibilities, so those responsibilities are placed upon the State. What the advocates of Social Science fail to recognize is that liberty, FREEDOM, is directly attributable TO THE RESPONSIBILITY RESTING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL and that/those individual holding himself and his neighbor accountable to those responsibilties. The responsibility to fairly trade with their neighbor, is an intrinsic, inseparable element of their human RIGHT... where that responsibility is forfeited, the right is forfeited and with that right goes FREEDOM.

The solution is not to succumb the the weakness which seeks to rest one's burdeon of responsibility upon the ethereal myth of "The People"... as such will never be the option of the freeman to look back upon... the solution is to hold one's self and each other accountable; and to do so through, in the case of the United States, the Constitutional Republic which was designed to DO JUST THAT. The Constitution that was designed to LIMIT the scope of Government power and to protect the rights of the individual and to HOLD EACH ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS in maintaining their responsibility to not infringe upon the rights of another, in the process of exercising their rights.

Socialism... the Advocacy of Social Science is not a viable economic theory... Communism is not a viable theory of cultural cooperation... They're one in the same rationalization, where each individual advocate wants to separate the THEMSELVES from their RESPONSIBILITIES... and this I suspect in yet another human attempt to 'have their cake and eat it too...' Left-think is little more than a means to find an 'easier way'... than the day to day struggle, the burden common in each one of us, to do the right thing...

The worst part; and I do mean the worst... is that the liberty born from the US Constitution, individual liberty to freely exchange the goods and service to the mutual benefit of both parties... free to choose our own path, set out own course... THIS IS AS EASY AS IT GETS and the socialists are dreaming us back into bondage... where inevitably generations after us will wonder how lame did we have to be, to freely give up our freedom, on the hope that we could separate our freedom from our simple responsibility to do the right thing.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

So here is the question my fellow Americans:

Do you think capitalism, with some semblance of vision and central planning might recover from its current embarrassing situation and kick ass on socialism that is experimenting with the value of marketplace freedoms, or are we doomed to pay our mortgages in yuan instead of dollars 10 years from now, because nobody wants the electric grid running through their back yard and by God were free to say "Fuck you" to the rest of us?

-Joe

Capitalism is in a current state of embarassement? Where's that happening?

There are precisely ZERO problems in the US and international financial markets which are NOT A DIRECT RESULT OF SOCIALIST MANIPULATION OF THOSE MARKETS.

Socialists DEMANDED that the financial markets lower the reasonable and time tested actuarial thresholds to accomodate the socialist utopian goal of a house for everyone, without regard to their means to pay for it.

Capitalism has not failed, will not fail, as it CANNOT FAIL; EXCEPT WHERE THOSE APPLYING IT EXPLOIT IT THROUGH THEIR FAILURE TO EXCHANGE FAIR VALUE FOR FAIR VALUE. Which Socialism WILL NEVER DO... thus the reason why IT WILL ALWAYS FAIL.

 

[Agnapostate]

Capitalism is in a current state of embarassement? Where's that happening?

There are precisely ZERO problems in the US and international financial markets which are NOT A DIRECT RESULT OF SOCIALIST MANIPULATION OF THOSE MARKETS.

Socialists DEMANDED that the financial markets lower the reasonable and time tested actuarial thresholds to accomodate the socialist utopian goal of a house for everyone, without regard to their means to pay for it.

Capitalism has not failed, will not fail, as it CANNOT FAIL; EXCEPT WHERE THOSE APPLYING IT EXPLOIT IT THROUGH THEIR FAILURE TO EXCHANGE FAIR VALUE FOR FAIR VALUE. Which Socialism WILL NEVER DO... thus the reason why IT WILL ALWAYS FAIL.

Your grasp of political economy is so obscenely inaccurate that it borders on the comical...or would, if it wasn't such a pitiful spectacle. Socialism necessitates the public ownership of the means of production. Government intervention in capitalism is not "socialist"; on the contrary, the state is a necessary stabilizing agent in a capitalist economy, and capitalism would collapse otherwise.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

What you've learned is to keep your post short and to run for the tall grass when your foolish pap is discredited... so you can pop up in another thread spouting the SAME drivel, making vague unsourced references to your numerous pontifications wherein you falsely declare them as having never been spoken to...

You're an idiot... and that's pretty much the extent of it.

An amusing (and rather clownish) post, considering that there is an extensive rebuttal of your imbecilic rambling contained in this very thread. You've chosen to ignore it because you lack the sufficient knowledge of political economy required to adequately address it.

So you advanced a substantial rebuttal to my position, to which I failed respond due to my lack of sufficient knowledge of political economy?

Really?

Well let's see if that is true...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Human Development Index- Most Liveable Countries

Rank

1 Iceland 0.968 &#9650; +0.001
2 Norway 0.968 &#9650; +0.001
3 Canada 0.967 &#9650; +0.002
4 Australia 0.965 &#9650; +0.002
5 Ireland 0.960 &#9650; +0.002
6 Netherlands 0.958 &#9650; +0.002
7 Sweden 0.958 &#9650; +0.001
8 Japan 0.956 &#9650; +0.003
9 Luxembourg 0.956 &#9650; +0.002
10 Switzerland 0.955 &#9650; +0.002
11 France 0.955 &#9650; +0.002
12 Finland 0.954 &#9650; +0.004
13 Denmark 0.952 &#9650; +0.003
14 Austria 0.951 &#9650; +0.003
15 United States 0.950 &#9644;
16 Spain 0.949 &#9650; +0.003
17 Belgium 0.948 &#9650; +0.003
18 Greece 0.947 &#9650; +0.004
19 Italy 0.945 &#9650; +0.003
20 New Zealand 0.944 &#9650; +0.001
21 United Kingdom


wikipedia

Human Development Index... ROFLMNAO SWEET MOTHER THAT'S HYSTERICAL!

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Capitalism is in a current state of embarassement? Where's that happening?

There are precisely ZERO problems in the US and international financial markets which are NOT A DIRECT RESULT OF SOCIALIST MANIPULATION OF THOSE MARKETS.

Socialists DEMANDED that the financial markets lower the reasonable and time tested actuarial thresholds to accomodate the socialist utopian goal of a house for everyone, without regard to their means to pay for it.

Capitalism has not failed, will not fail, as it CANNOT FAIL; EXCEPT WHERE THOSE APPLYING IT EXPLOIT IT THROUGH THEIR FAILURE TO EXCHANGE FAIR VALUE FOR FAIR VALUE. Which Socialism WILL NEVER DO... thus the reason why IT WILL ALWAYS FAIL.

Your grasp of political economy is so obscenely inaccurate that it borders on the comical...or would, if it wasn't such a pitiful spectacle. Socialism necessitates the public ownership of the means of production. Government intervention in capitalism is not "socialist"; on the contrary, the state is a necessary stabilizing agent in a capitalist economy, and capitalism would collapse otherwise.

ROFLMNAO...

So you're saying that Socialism 'necessitates' the public ownership of the means of production..., which in NO WAY should be confused with Government intervention in the markets...

GENIUS!

Explaining further that this Socialist attempt to control the means of production is merely Socialism acting as a 'stabilizing agent' to prevent capitalism's inevitable collapse?

Yet in reality, capitalism has a long history of stability; where the socialist stabilization, such as Bawney Fwank's coercive abuse of power in threatening the US Financial Markets with civil right law suits; where the Socialist demanded that if the Financial Markets did not lower their actuarial thresholds to accommodate the 'underprivileged' they'd find themselves under Investigation by the US Justice Department; where upon the market foolishly capitulated; which resulted in a filthy fascist partnership; followed up by socialist psuedo-gaurantees of those sub-prime loans through Fanny and Freddie; and THAT Socialist "Stabilization of Capitalism" resulted in the present financial meltdown; where FURTHER Socialist Stabilization has resulted IN THE SAME absurd policy which is propping up failures and punishing success... all of which can only result in an exponentially deeper leve of economic recession and a prolonged PERIOD required to recover from that socialist induced calamity...

This projecting DE-STABILIZATION as a stabilizing influence does however certify your socialist bonafides... so CONGRATS COMRADE!

 

[Agnapostate]

ROFLMNAO...

So you're saying that Socialism 'necessitates' the public ownership of the means of production..., which in NO WAY should be confused with Government intervention the markets...

GENIUS!

Explaining further that this Socialist attempt to control the means of production is merely Socialism acting as a 'stabilizing agent' to prevent capitalism's inevitable collapse?

Yet in reality, capitalism has a long history of stability; where the socialist stabilization, such as Bawney Fwank's coercive abuse of power in threatening the US Financial Markets with civil right law suits; where the Socialist demanded that if the Financial Markets did not lower their actuarial thresholds to accommodate the 'underprivileged' they'd find themselves under Investigation by the US Justice Department; where upon the market foolishly capitulated; which resulted in a filthy fascist partnership; followed up by socialist psuedo-gaurantees of those sub-prime loans through Fanny and Freddie; and THAT Socialist "Stabilization of Capitalism" resulted in the present financial meltdown; where FURTHER Socialist Stabilization has resulted IN THE SAME absurd policy which is propping up failures and punishing success... all of which can only result in an exponentially deeper leve of economic recession and a prolonged PERIOD required to recover from that socialist induced calamity...

This projecting DE-STABILIZATION as a stabilizing influence does however certify your socialist bonafides... so CONGRATS COMRADE!

No, idiot, government intervention in a capitalist economy doesn't come close to being sufficient for the establishment of socialism inasmuch as it does not introduce the public ownership of the means of production. Government intervention plays an integral role in capitalist economic development. For instance, we could consider the role of government intervention in strategic trade policy, namely through protections of the development of infant industries, which has the effect of maximizing dynamic comparative advantage.

Unless, of course, you want to maintain that capitalism has never existed, since free markets have never existed in an industrialized society.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Capitalism and socialism are broadly opposing schools, but communism is a variety of socialism, as Anglo-Saxon capitalism, liberal democratic capitalism and the more "Rhenish" social democratic capitalism are varieties of capitalism. ...

ROFLMNAO... Yeah... that's right kids... Communism is a VERY complex amalgam of subtle nuance... weaved through in a series of historical intrigues, that without total consciousness of… one can NEVER BEGIN to understand the unfathomable composite that is COMMUNISM!

LOL… Of course this is by design, because if Communism is not diluted down to the imperceptible, then someone could easily recognize that all Communism is, is the natural logical extension of socialism; and from that certainty, draw the reasonable conclusion that maybe it's a REALLY bad idea to concede one's inalienable rights to the unrestricted challenge of the irresistible power of the STATE; and thus to tolerate the advocacies of such and the attempts such as this farce, by Agwhatshername which seeks to first, prop up her own self esteem and second to do so by trying to make the elementary… incomprehensible.

Thus the chronic projections of ingnorance upon her opposition... The fact is Communism is death to freedom... period and without exception and this without regard to the idiocy born through attempts to show that tyranny is by definition:True Freedom.

 

[Agnapostate]

someone could easily...draw the reasonable conclusion that maybe it's a REALLY bad idea to concede one's inalienable rights to the unrestricted challenge of the irresistible power of the STATE

Of course. That's the basis behind opposition to capitalism, since it's necessarily supported by the state. The same is true for Soviet state capitalism, which is why forms of libertarian and anarchist communism are the only true forms. Communism is effectively a socialist economic system wherein labor is contributed according to abilities and goods and services are distributed according to needs. Your reference to Soviet state capitalism is therefore inaccurate.