Coincidence? Drought Calif.. Calif 2nd largest wind capacity...

[KNB]

Please provide a quote.

The only one of your accusations that is close to true is the part about putting carbon back to where it came from. Yes, all the carbon in fossil fuel was once in the environment. The rest is just BS.

What is BS? Deforestation and burning fossil fuels? Plastic accumulating in the oceans?

If you're arguing that "wind turbines stop wind" then you shouldn't talk about science.

 

[healthmyths]

Please provide a quote.

The only one of your accusations that is close to true is the part about putting carbon back to where it came from. Yes, all the carbon in fossil fuel was once in the environment. The rest is just BS.

What is BS? Deforestation and burning fossil fuels? Plastic accumulating in the oceans?

If you're arguing that "wind turbines stop wind" then you shouldn't talk about science.

IDIOT don't you know how to use the Internet????

"Deforestation" ? Where? Be specific ? Where because .....

In the United states there are More trees than there were 100 years ago? It's true!
In the United States, which contains 8 percent of the world's forests, there are more trees than there were 100 years ago.
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), "Forest growth nationally has exceeded harvest since the 1940s.
By 1997, forest growth exceeded harvest by 42 percent and the volume of forest growth was 380 percent greater than it had been in 1920." The greatest gains have been seen on the East Coast (with average volumes of wood per acre almost doubling since the '50s) which was the area most heavily logged by European settlers beginning in the 1600s, soon after their arrival.

This is great news for those who care about the environment because trees store CO2, produce oxygen — which is necessary for all life on Earth — remove toxins from the air, and create habitat for animals, insects and more basic forms of life. Well-managed forest plantations like those overseen by the Forest Stewardship Council also furnish us with wood, a renewable material that can be used for building, furniture, paper products and more, and all of which are biodegradable at the end of their lifecycle.

The increase in trees is due to a number of factors, including conservation and preservation of national parks, responsible tree growing within plantations — which have been planting more trees than they harvest — and the movement of the majority of the population from rural areas to more densely populated areas, such as cities and suburbs. Tree planting efforts begun in the 1950s are paying off and there is more public awareness about the importance of trees and forests. Finally, 63 percent of the forest land in the United States is privately owned, and many landowners are leaving their land intact instead of using it for agriculture or logging (at least partially because many of these activities have shifted overseas).

More trees than there were 100 years ago? It's true! | MNN - Mother Nature Network

 

[Freewill]

Please provide a quote.

The only one of your accusations that is close to true is the part about putting carbon back to where it came from. Yes, all the carbon in fossil fuel was once in the environment. The rest is just BS.

What is BS? Deforestation and burning fossil fuels? Plastic accumulating in the oceans?

If you're arguing that "wind turbines stop wind" then you shouldn't talk about science.

This bit of partisan BS, from your post: because conservatives think that burning fossil fuels, clearcutting the world's rainforests and dumping thousands of tons of plastic trash into the oceans isn't having any effect on the ecosystem

You made a statement now back it up.

 

[Darkwind]

What is this discussion about?

"Coincidence: Wind energy and droughts?"

That seems to imply that wind energy caused the drought? Or is somehow making droughts worse?

Is that the argument here?

That's why I asked the question.

This isn't a conservative/liberal issue.

On its face, wind turbines causing drought is ludicrous.

It's a conservative/liberal issue because conservatives think that burning fossil fuels, clearcutting the world's rainforests and dumping thousands of tons of plastic trash into the oceans isn't having any effect on the ecosystem.

They think no such thing. That is your warped sense of people who have the gall to disagree with you, so you make shit up like that.

Why not just admit that if the world agreed with you, then everything would be perfect.

Oh, btw....have any more dollars? After all, it is the cure to all ills.

 

[healthmyths]

Someone! Please refute there are more trees now then 100 years ago so the "Deforestation" comments can stand!

Someone care to refute this:
In the United states there are More trees than there were 100 years ago? It's true!
In the United States, which contains 8 percent of the world's forests, there are more trees than there were 100 years ago.
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), "Forest growth nationally has exceeded harvest since the 1940s.
By 1997, forest growth exceeded harvest by 42 percent and the volume of forest growth was 380 percent greater than it had been in 1920." The greatest gains have been seen on the East Coast (with average volumes of wood per acre almost doubling since the '50s) which was the area most heavily logged by European settlers beginning in the 1600s, soon after their arrival.

This is great news for those who care about the environment because trees store CO2, produce oxygen — which is necessary for all life on Earth — remove toxins from the air, and create habitat for animals, insects and more basic forms of life. Well-managed forest plantations like those overseen by the Forest Stewardship Council also furnish us with wood, a renewable material that can be used for building, furniture, paper products and more, and all of which are biodegradable at the end of their lifecycle.

The increase in trees is due to a number of factors, including conservation and preservation of national parks, responsible tree growing within plantations — which have been planting more trees than they harvest — and the movement of the majority of the population from rural areas to more densely populated areas, such as cities and suburbs. Tree planting efforts begun in the 1950s are paying off and there is more public awareness about the importance of trees and forests. Finally, 63 percent of the forest land in the United States is privately owned, and many landowners are leaving their land intact instead of using it for agriculture or logging (at least partially because many of these activities have shifted overseas).

More trees than there were 100 years ago? It's true! | MNN - Mother Nature Network

 

[KNB]

You are aware that growing trees across every square inch of American soil is still not enough to counteract the damage caused by deforestation around the world, right?

That's what "logging has shifted to overseas" means- global deforestation.
Deforestation Facts, Deforestation Information, Effects of Deforestation - National Geographic
Deforestation: Facts, Causes & Effects | LiveScience
Deforestation and Its Extreme Effect on Global Warming - Scientific American

 

[Vox]

You are aware that growing trees across every square inch of American soil is still not enough to counteract the damage caused by deforestation around the world, right?

That's what "logging has shifted to overseas" means- global deforestation.
Deforestation Facts, Deforestation Information, Effects of Deforestation - National Geographic
Deforestation: Facts, Causes & Effects | LiveScience
Deforestation and Its Extreme Effect on Global Warming - Scientific American

let the world worry about their forests.

we have enough.

oh, and GW is a NORMAL and BENEFICIAL CYCLICAL change. Not related to human activity whatsoever.

Unless you want to experience the Ice Age.

 

[KNB]

They are OUR forests. The forests belong to the Earth and to all of humanity. Forests in Brazil help counteract the pollution from China. This global balance has been upset. That imbalance is causing the climate to change. Hence the term, "climate change."

 

[Vox]

They are OUR forests. The forests belong to the Earth and to all of humanity. Forests in Brazil help counteract the pollution from China. This global balance has been upset. That imbalance is causing the climate to change. Hence the term, "climate change."

so demand the forestation from the offenders and stop attacking fossil fuels. Brazil is deforesting for the stupid ethanol whch is much more detrimental to the environment than standard plain oil and gas.

 

[KNB]

Burning fossil fuels combined with global deforestation is the cause of the Greenhouse Effect. The fossil fuel and timber industries, as well as pharmaceutical firms, weapons manufacturers, law enforcement associations, etc., lobby Congress to keep Cannabis illegal because it would replace fossil fuels for transportation and trees for paper and construction, cutting into those industries' profits but reversing the Greenhouse Effect.

Industrial hemp is one of the Earth's most useful resources, and the supply and profits cannot be controlled by international conglomerates. Legalizing Cannabis Sativa again like we did during World War II will replace fossil fuels and end global deforestation.
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32725.pdf
Hemp Produces Viable Biodiesel, UConn Study Finds | UConn Today

 

[Synthaholic]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

Let me guess: it's Obama's fault that it hasn't rained.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Fresh water shortages are not just restricted to California.

On 17 January, scientists downloaded fresh data from a pair of Nasa satellites and distributed the findings among the small group of researchers who track the world's water reserves. At the University of California, Irvine, hydrologist James Famiglietti looked over the data from the gravity-sensing Grace satellites with a rising sense of dread.

The data, released last week, showed California on the verge of an epic drought, with its backup systems of groundwater reserves so run down that the losses could be picked up by satellites orbiting 400km above the Earth's surface.

"It was definitely an 'oh my gosh moment'," Famiglietti said. "The groundwater is our strategic reserve. It's our backup, and so where do you go when the backup is gone?"

That same day, the state governor, Jerry Brown, declared a drought emergency and appealed to Californians to cut their water use by 20%. "Every day this drought goes on we are going to have to tighten the screws on what people are doing," he said.

Seventeen rural communities are in danger of running out of water within 60 days and that number is expected to rise, after the main municipal water distribution system announced it did not have enough supplies and would have to turn off the taps to local agencies.

There are other shock moments ahead – and not just for California – in a world where water is increasingly in short supply because of growing demands from agriculture, an expanding population, energy production and climate change.

"Almost all of those red hotspots correspond to major aquifers of the world. What Grace shows us is that groundwater depletion is happening at a very rapid rate in almost all of the major aquifers in the arid and semi-arid parts of the world."

The Middle East, north Africa and south Asia are all projected to experience water shortages over the coming years because of decades of bad management and overuse.

Why global water shortages pose threat of terror and war | Environment | The Observer

Uh, here's a tidbit of science for you, g5. Ever since water first formed on this planet, there has been the same amount of water since. For billions of years. You do realize that the Earth is comprised of 70% water, right?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

Let me guess: it's Obama's fault that it hasn't rained.

Hey, you blamed Bush for a Hurricane. So yes, using your logic, yes it is Obama's fault for not making it rain.

 

[KNB]

Uh, here's a tidbit of science for you, g5. Ever since water first formed on this planet, there has been the same amount of water since. For billions of years. You do realize that the Earth is comprised of 70% water, right?

We produce more food now than ever before in history and there are an estimated 50 million Americans who can't get enough to eat, let alone the billions more around the globe. The problem with food and water is not quantity, but availability.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Uh, here's a tidbit of science for you, g5. Ever since water first formed on this planet, there has been the same amount of water since. For billions of years. You do realize that the Earth is comprised of 70% water, right?

We produce more food now than ever before in history and there are an estimated 50 million Americans who can't get enough to eat, let alone the billions more around the globe. The problem with food and water is not quantity, but availability.

Government. That's why.

 

[healthmyths]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

Let me guess: it's Obama's fault that it hasn't rained.

Well HELL YES!!
After all He IS the Messiah according to the MSM!!
I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters


And HE SAID so himself that "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
-- Barack Obama
OBAMA CONVERSION STORIES

"We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."
-- Michelle Obama

"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."
-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)

"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."
--Lawrence Carter

"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."
-- Dinesh Sharma

"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."
-- Chicago] Sun-Times

"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"
-- Mark Morford
"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"
-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
-- Barack Obama

"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"
-- Daily Kos

"He communicates God-like energy..."
-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)

"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"
-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."
-- Halle Berry

"A quantum leap in American consciousness"
-- Deepak Chopra

"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart

"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."
-- Eve Konstantine

"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."
-- Chris Matthews

"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."
-- Toni Morrison

"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."
-- Ezra Klein

"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."
-- Gerald Campbell

"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."
-- Oprah Winfrey

“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."
-- Bill Rush

Is Barack Obama the Messiah?
Want me to go on as to WHY Obama is the Messiah to the vast majority of idiots that voted for him!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

California is the benchmark for measuring the effects of stoopid liberal idea's.


Green energy is a joke. Always has been.......always will be.


California's Green Energy Drought

 

[Abraham3]

Skookerasbil holds conspiratorial AGW denier position.
Largest consumer of aluminum foil in his assisted living facility.

Coincidence?

 

[Old Rocks]

From your link.

More modern wind farms like the McCulloughs' are quite different from the one studied near Palm Springs. The San Gorgonio wind farm had wind turbines just 23 meters tall with 8.5-meter-long blades and towers spaced roughly 120 meters apart; a modern wind farm employs wind turbines some 90 meters tall with blades as long as 40 meters.

As for the possibility of larger effects as more and more wind farms are built, Roy, at least, remains skeptical. "In a subsequent study that has been submitted to another journal, we found that these impacts are restricted to a small area around the wind farms," he says, though some modeling studies of wind turbines covering hundreds of thousands of square kilometers suggest such massive wind farms could affect global climate. "I think that these wind farms, especially if they are spaced sufficiently apart, will not have global-scale effects."

Except one: generating electricity by harvesting the wind rather than burning coal or natural gas cuts down on emissions of carbon dioxide—the primary greenhouse gas changing the global climate. Or, as Roy says, "Wind energy is likely to be a part of the solution of the global warming problem."

I know! I read the entire article... my point is that EVEN the attempt to justify a solution has unintended consequences!
Remember the EXPERT said.."I think that these wind farms, especially if they are spaced sufficiently apart, will not have global-scale effects."

He "thinks"????
Well count me skeptical because when utilities first burned coal.. did the "experts" think there ever would be a "global warming" issue due to their CO2 emissions?
Of course not! Nor do the wind farmers see beyond their noses!

At the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, did they even know what C02 was? Much less what the composition of the atmosphere was?

In the 1820's, Joseph Fourier recognized that there was something in the atmosphere that was absorbing some of the outgoing radiant heat from the Earth. By 1858, Tyndall of England was testing the various atmospheric gases for the absorption of infrared.

So, yes, at the beginning of the industrial revolution, it was recognized that CO2 was a GHG. However, even in 1896, when Arrhenius did the first accurate estimates of the increase in temperature with the doubling of CO2, they did not expect us to actually do that by 2100 or sooner.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

 

[Freewill]

You are aware that growing trees across every square inch of American soil is still not enough to counteract the damage caused by deforestation around the world, right?

That's what "logging has shifted to overseas" means- global deforestation.
Deforestation Facts, Deforestation Information, Effects of Deforestation - National Geographic
Deforestation: Facts, Causes & Effects | LiveScience
Deforestation and Its Extreme Effect on Global Warming - Scientific American

What is your solution? Invade other countries to get them to stop? China is building a coal station about every week what do you suppose we do about that situation? Obama has done a lot about industry and its effect on everyone's life. Just ruin the economy and have them shut down, no more problem.