Coincidence? Drought Calif.. Calif 2nd largest wind capacity...

[healthmyths]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

President Obama will pitch a new $1 billion climate change resilience fund during a visit Friday to California.
Obama to pitch $1B climate change 'resilience fund' in California | TheHill

As of 31 December 2013, the top five states with the most wind capacity installed are:
Texas (12,355 MW)
California (5,830 MW)
Iowa (5,178 MW)
Illinois (3,568 MW)
Oregon (3,153 MW)

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2010 the following article discussed weather changes due to wind farms.....

According to temperature readings from one of the oldest wind farms in the U.S., near Palm Springs, Calif., the turbines make it warmer at night and cooler during the day, generally speaking.

"For most regions, the mean temperatures may not change by much because the warming and cooling effects may cancel out," says atmospheric scientist Somnath Baidya Roy of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, co-author of the study published online October 4 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Wind power is on the verge of an explosive growth. It features prominently in the future energy policy of all industrial economies.
Hence, we have a unique opportunity to solve a problem even before it becomes a major issue."
How Wind Turbines Affect Your (Very) Local Weather - Scientific American

 

[healthmyths]

So... did the efforts to combat "CO2" from utilities by using wind power have the unintended consequence of altering moisture patterns in Calif?

 

[g5000]

Fresh water shortages are not just restricted to California.

On 17 January, scientists downloaded fresh data from a pair of Nasa satellites and distributed the findings among the small group of researchers who track the world's water reserves. At the University of California, Irvine, hydrologist James Famiglietti looked over the data from the gravity-sensing Grace satellites with a rising sense of dread.

The data, released last week, showed California on the verge of an epic drought, with its backup systems of groundwater reserves so run down that the losses could be picked up by satellites orbiting 400km above the Earth's surface.

"It was definitely an 'oh my gosh moment'," Famiglietti said. "The groundwater is our strategic reserve. It's our backup, and so where do you go when the backup is gone?"

That same day, the state governor, Jerry Brown, declared a drought emergency and appealed to Californians to cut their water use by 20%. "Every day this drought goes on we are going to have to tighten the screws on what people are doing," he said.

Seventeen rural communities are in danger of running out of water within 60 days and that number is expected to rise, after the main municipal water distribution system announced it did not have enough supplies and would have to turn off the taps to local agencies.

There are other shock moments ahead – and not just for California – in a world where water is increasingly in short supply because of growing demands from agriculture, an expanding population, energy production and climate change.

"Almost all of those red hotspots correspond to major aquifers of the world. What Grace shows us is that groundwater depletion is happening at a very rapid rate in almost all of the major aquifers in the arid and semi-arid parts of the world."

The Middle East, north Africa and south Asia are all projected to experience water shortages over the coming years because of decades of bad management and overuse.

Why global water shortages pose threat of terror and war | Environment | The Observer

 

[healthmyths]

Of course all you people that scoff at anti-global warming people are welcome to scoff at these findings!
But you global warming supporters still have to answer why after 113 years 12% of the earth's landmass temperature readings aren't included in temperature records.

 

[BlindBoo]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

President Obama will pitch a new $1 billion climate change resilience fund during a visit Friday to California.
Obama to pitch $1B climate change 'resilience fund' in California | TheHill

As of 31 December 2013, the top five states with the most wind capacity installed are:
Texas (12,355 MW)
California (5,830 MW)
Iowa (5,178 MW)
Illinois (3,568 MW)
Oregon (3,153 MW)

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2010 the following article discussed weather changes due to wind farms.....

According to temperature readings from one of the oldest wind farms in the U.S., near Palm Springs, Calif., the turbines make it warmer at night and cooler during the day, generally speaking.

"For most regions, the mean temperatures may not change by much because the warming and cooling effects may cancel out," says atmospheric scientist Somnath Baidya Roy of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, co-author of the study published online October 4 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Wind power is on the verge of an explosive growth. It features prominently in the future energy policy of all industrial economies.
Hence, we have a unique opportunity to solve a problem even before it becomes a major issue."
How Wind Turbines Affect Your (Very) Local Weather - Scientific American

From your link.

More modern wind farms like the McCulloughs' are quite different from the one studied near Palm Springs. The San Gorgonio wind farm had wind turbines just 23 meters tall with 8.5-meter-long blades and towers spaced roughly 120 meters apart; a modern wind farm employs wind turbines some 90 meters tall with blades as long as 40 meters.

As for the possibility of larger effects as more and more wind farms are built, Roy, at least, remains skeptical. "In a subsequent study that has been submitted to another journal, we found that these impacts are restricted to a small area around the wind farms," he says, though some modeling studies of wind turbines covering hundreds of thousands of square kilometers suggest such massive wind farms could affect global climate. "I think that these wind farms, especially if they are spaced sufficiently apart, will not have global-scale effects."

Except one: generating electricity by harvesting the wind rather than burning coal or natural gas cuts down on emissions of carbon dioxide—the primary greenhouse gas changing the global climate. Or, as Roy says, "Wind energy is likely to be a part of the solution of the global warming problem."

 

[healthmyths]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

President Obama will pitch a new $1 billion climate change resilience fund during a visit Friday to California.
Obama to pitch $1B climate change 'resilience fund' in California | TheHill

As of 31 December 2013, the top five states with the most wind capacity installed are:
Texas (12,355 MW)
California (5,830 MW)
Iowa (5,178 MW)
Illinois (3,568 MW)
Oregon (3,153 MW)

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2010 the following article discussed weather changes due to wind farms.....

According to temperature readings from one of the oldest wind farms in the U.S., near Palm Springs, Calif., the turbines make it warmer at night and cooler during the day, generally speaking.

"For most regions, the mean temperatures may not change by much because the warming and cooling effects may cancel out," says atmospheric scientist Somnath Baidya Roy of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, co-author of the study published online October 4 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Wind power is on the verge of an explosive growth. It features prominently in the future energy policy of all industrial economies.
Hence, we have a unique opportunity to solve a problem even before it becomes a major issue."
How Wind Turbines Affect Your (Very) Local Weather - Scientific American

From your link.

More modern wind farms like the McCulloughs' are quite different from the one studied near Palm Springs. The San Gorgonio wind farm had wind turbines just 23 meters tall with 8.5-meter-long blades and towers spaced roughly 120 meters apart; a modern wind farm employs wind turbines some 90 meters tall with blades as long as 40 meters.

As for the possibility of larger effects as more and more wind farms are built, Roy, at least, remains skeptical. "In a subsequent study that has been submitted to another journal, we found that these impacts are restricted to a small area around the wind farms," he says, though some modeling studies of wind turbines covering hundreds of thousands of square kilometers suggest such massive wind farms could affect global climate. "I think that these wind farms, especially if they are spaced sufficiently apart, will not have global-scale effects."

Except one: generating electricity by harvesting the wind rather than burning coal or natural gas cuts down on emissions of carbon dioxide—the primary greenhouse gas changing the global climate. Or, as Roy says, "Wind energy is likely to be a part of the solution of the global warming problem."

I know! I read the entire article... my point is that EVEN the attempt to justify a solution has unintended consequences!
Remember the EXPERT said.."I think that these wind farms, especially if they are spaced sufficiently apart, will not have global-scale effects."

He "thinks"????
Well count me skeptical because when utilities first burned coal.. did the "experts" think there ever would be a "global warming" issue due to their CO2 emissions?
Of course not! Nor do the wind farmers see beyond their noses!

 

[Darkwind]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

President Obama will pitch a new $1 billion climate change resilience fund during a visit Friday to California.
Obama to pitch $1B climate change 'resilience fund' in California | TheHill

As of 31 December 2013, the top five states with the most wind capacity installed are:
Texas (12,355 MW)
California (5,830 MW)
Iowa (5,178 MW)
Illinois (3,568 MW)
Oregon (3,153 MW)

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2010 the following article discussed weather changes due to wind farms.....

According to temperature readings from one of the oldest wind farms in the U.S., near Palm Springs, Calif., the turbines make it warmer at night and cooler during the day, generally speaking.

"For most regions, the mean temperatures may not change by much because the warming and cooling effects may cancel out," says atmospheric scientist Somnath Baidya Roy of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, co-author of the study published online October 4 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Wind power is on the verge of an explosive growth. It features prominently in the future energy policy of all industrial economies.
Hence, we have a unique opportunity to solve a problem even before it becomes a major issue."
How Wind Turbines Affect Your (Very) Local Weather - Scientific American

Okay, are you trying to draw a correlation between windmills and the use of wind as energy to drought?

 

[KNB]

Is this discussion supposed to imply that wind turbines are somehow responsible for a drought?

It wouldn't be surprising to hear a Conservative say something as ridiculously stupid as that.

 

[Darkwind]

Is this discussion supposed to imply that wind turbines are somehow responsible for a drought?

It wouldn't be surprising to hear a Conservative say something as ridiculously stupid as that.

Well, that there is an ignorant remark.

 

[KNB]

What is this discussion about?

"Coincidence: Wind energy and droughts?"

That seems to imply that wind energy caused the drought? Or is somehow making droughts worse?

Is that the argument here?

 

[BlindBoo]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

President Obama will pitch a new $1 billion climate change resilience fund during a visit Friday to California.
Obama to pitch $1B climate change 'resilience fund' in California | TheHill

As of 31 December 2013, the top five states with the most wind capacity installed are:
Texas (12,355 MW)
California (5,830 MW)
Iowa (5,178 MW)
Illinois (3,568 MW)
Oregon (3,153 MW)

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2010 the following article discussed weather changes due to wind farms.....

According to temperature readings from one of the oldest wind farms in the U.S., near Palm Springs, Calif., the turbines make it warmer at night and cooler during the day, generally speaking.

"For most regions, the mean temperatures may not change by much because the warming and cooling effects may cancel out," says atmospheric scientist Somnath Baidya Roy of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, co-author of the study published online October 4 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Wind power is on the verge of an explosive growth. It features prominently in the future energy policy of all industrial economies.
Hence, we have a unique opportunity to solve a problem even before it becomes a major issue."
How Wind Turbines Affect Your (Very) Local Weather - Scientific American

From your link.

More modern wind farms like the McCulloughs' are quite different from the one studied near Palm Springs. The San Gorgonio wind farm had wind turbines just 23 meters tall with 8.5-meter-long blades and towers spaced roughly 120 meters apart; a modern wind farm employs wind turbines some 90 meters tall with blades as long as 40 meters.

As for the possibility of larger effects as more and more wind farms are built, Roy, at least, remains skeptical. "In a subsequent study that has been submitted to another journal, we found that these impacts are restricted to a small area around the wind farms," he says, though some modeling studies of wind turbines covering hundreds of thousands of square kilometers suggest such massive wind farms could affect global climate. "I think that these wind farms, especially if they are spaced sufficiently apart, will not have global-scale effects."

Except one: generating electricity by harvesting the wind rather than burning coal or natural gas cuts down on emissions of carbon dioxide—the primary greenhouse gas changing the global climate. Or, as Roy says, "Wind energy is likely to be a part of the solution of the global warming problem."

I know! I read the entire article... my point is that EVEN the attempt to justify a solution has unintended consequences!
Remember the EXPERT said.."I think that these wind farms, especially if they are spaced sufficiently apart, will not have global-scale effects."

He "thinks"????
Well count me skeptical because when utilities first burned coal.. did the "experts" think there ever would be a "global warming" issue due to their CO2 emissions?
Of course not! Nor do the wind farmers see beyond their noses!

At the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, did they even know what C02 was? Much less what the composition of the atmosphere was?

 

[Darkwind]

What is this discussion about?

"Coincidence: Wind energy and droughts?"

That seems to imply that wind energy caused the drought? Or is somehow making droughts worse?

Is that the argument here?

That's why I asked the question.

This isn't a conservative/liberal issue.

On its face, wind turbines causing drought is ludicrous.

 

[KNB]

What is this discussion about?

"Coincidence: Wind energy and droughts?"

That seems to imply that wind energy caused the drought? Or is somehow making droughts worse?

Is that the argument here?

That's why I asked the question.

This isn't a conservative/liberal issue.

On its face, wind turbines causing drought is ludicrous.

It's a conservative/liberal issue because conservatives think that burning fossil fuels, clearcutting the world's rainforests and dumping thousands of tons of plastic trash into the oceans isn't having any effect on the ecosystem.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What is this discussion about?

"Coincidence: Wind energy and droughts?"

That seems to imply that wind energy caused the drought? Or is somehow making droughts worse?

Is that the argument here?

That's why I asked the question.

This isn't a conservative/liberal issue.

On its face, wind turbines causing drought is ludicrous.

especially since Cal has had droughts before the wind farms came to be....like the one in the 70's.....

 

[Freewill]

What is this discussion about?

"Coincidence: Wind energy and droughts?"

That seems to imply that wind energy caused the drought? Or is somehow making droughts worse?

Is that the argument here?

That's why I asked the question.

This isn't a conservative/liberal issue.

On its face, wind turbines causing drought is ludicrous.

Why is it ludicrous? Maybe hard to understand but ludicrous? Consider that the GW proponents tell us that CO2 concentrations lagging temperature change is perfect logical.

Now consider, we are taking power from the wind, the power that is transmitted has to come from somewhere. So what is the effect? Say we just built a wall or a small mountain that redirected the wind would that effect anything? The basic difference is that the wind turbines actually remove power from the wind. So although a connection to the drought seems remote has it been even studied?

 

[KNB]

Wind turbines stop the wind? So what turns the wind turbines?

 

[Freewill]

What is this discussion about?

"Coincidence: Wind energy and droughts?"

That seems to imply that wind energy caused the drought? Or is somehow making droughts worse?

Is that the argument here?

That's why I asked the question.

This isn't a conservative/liberal issue.

On its face, wind turbines causing drought is ludicrous.

It's a conservative/liberal issue because conservatives think that burning fossil fuels, clearcutting the world's rainforests and dumping thousands of tons of plastic trash into the oceans isn't having any effect on the ecosystem.

Please provide a quote.

The only one of your accusations that is close to true is the part about putting carbon back to where it came from. Yes, all the carbon in fossil fuel was once in the environment. The rest is just BS.

 

[Freewill]

Wind turbines stop the wind? So what turns the wind turbines?

If you are referring to my post that is not what I said. I said it removes power from the wind that is quite obvious. I did make a mistake as said hills also stopped the wind, I fixed that mistake.

 

[healthmyths]

Coincidence that Calif. suffering through this drought and Obama proposing $1 billion ....

President Obama will pitch a new $1 billion climate change resilience fund during a visit Friday to California.
Obama to pitch $1B climate change 'resilience fund' in California | TheHill

As of 31 December 2013, the top five states with the most wind capacity installed are:
Texas (12,355 MW)
California (5,830 MW)
Iowa (5,178 MW)
Illinois (3,568 MW)
Oregon (3,153 MW)

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2010 the following article discussed weather changes due to wind farms.....

According to temperature readings from one of the oldest wind farms in the U.S., near Palm Springs, Calif., the turbines make it warmer at night and cooler during the day, generally speaking.

"For most regions, the mean temperatures may not change by much because the warming and cooling effects may cancel out," says atmospheric scientist Somnath Baidya Roy of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, co-author of the study published online October 4 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Wind power is on the verge of an explosive growth. It features prominently in the future energy policy of all industrial economies.
Hence, we have a unique opportunity to solve a problem even before it becomes a major issue."
How Wind Turbines Affect Your (Very) Local Weather - Scientific American

Okay, are you trying to draw a correlation between windmills and the use of wind as energy to drought?

Or just a coincidence. You as an expert tell me.

 

[RDD_1210]

California has a lot of coastline and Mexicans too. Maybe they are the cause of the drought? Coincidence?